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I would have preferred to keep billy

Yoop wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2022 08:28

go pak go wrote: ↑

14 Mar 2022 18:21

Yoop wrote: ↑

14 Mar 2022 18:01

Rodgers, with elite receivers carried this team, the rest of the team was in shambles, however we went to the PO's every year, then the receivers declined, Rodgers was hurt, and the offense stagnated so bad the HC was fired mid season, this idea that Rodgers wouldn't be better with more then just 1 great receiver is the biggest fallacy spouted on these message boards.

read the post again

I read it a half doz times prior to posting my response, it makes no sense, when someone says don't give a great QB elite receivers it goes against all logic, Rodgers was at his very best when he had them, and the reason he throws to Adams a 150 times a season is because he's the only quality guy left.

I have no idea who he's referring to with this T Onion dude, MVS is going because he hasn't stayed healthy or warented the pay raise the open market will give him, then his comment that he will stand pat with his opinion prompted my response.

I get a hoot out of all the Rodgers bashing, Packer fans are the most spoiled bunch of critics in the league, constantly defending the FO for not providing a first ballot HOF QB with more then one elite WR for now going on 6 seasons, and now that we may lose him, Lebrev seems cool with that as long as we over pay MVS and bring in some dude named T ONION??????
I don't get it

Labrev is talking don't give him elite receivers but instead give him quantity of great receivers so the ball is distributed.

Right now Rodgers has an All-Time elite reciever. Just one. So the ball only goes to him.

The times Rodgers was truly effective he has quantity of great receivers but never an All-Time elite receiver. The only time he had anything close to Adams level was Nelson in 2014. And even there....we lost when the opponent shut down Nelson.

Otherwise his greatest years were quantity of great receivers.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2022 09:16

I would have preferred to keep billy

I'm sure Rich Bisaccia watched every kick many times and had some input on that decision.

Clean up the snap and hold game, no reason Mason shouldn't have a great year.

If we are paying $150 Million over the next 3 years in cash but only absorbing $100 Million in cap the next three years....that means we will have $50 million of dead cap to absorb after 2024.

Looks to be similar to the Drew Brees model.

BF004 wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2022 09:26

Drj820 wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2022 09:16

I would have preferred to keep billy

I'm sure Rich Bisaccia watched every kick many times and had some input on that decision.

Clean up the snap and hold game, no reason Mason shouldn't have a great year.

why burn a bridge prior to building a new one, doesn't mean we wont replace him or bring someone in to compete with, but if we saw poor snaps. poor holds, and obvious poor blocking, we can be sure the coaches did to, everyone though is quick to pin the blame on Crosby.

Yoop wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2022 09:34

BF004 wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2022 09:26

Drj820 wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2022 09:16

I would have preferred to keep billy

I'm sure Rich Bisaccia watched every kick many times and had some input on that decision.

Clean up the snap and hold game, no reason Mason shouldn't have a great year.

why burn a bridge prior to building a new one, doesn't mean we wont replace him or bring someone in to compete with, but if we saw poor snaps. poor holds, and obvious poor blocking, we can be sure the coaches did to, everyone though is quick to pin the blame on Crosby.

Who can I blame for Crosby not being able to kick the ball into the endzone on the kickoff after Holloween?

go pak go wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2022 09:32

If we are paying $150 Million over the next 3 years in cash but only absorbing $100 Million in cap the next three years....that means we will have $50 million of dead cap to absorb after 2024.

Looks to be similar to the Drew Brees model.

ya, well, uh, ya know, we where able to make him the richest player in the league again gotta have your priorities in order

Drj820 wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2022 09:36

Yoop wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2022 09:34

BF004 wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2022 09:26

I'm sure Rich Bisaccia watched every kick many times and had some input on that decision.

Clean up the snap and hold game, no reason Mason shouldn't have a great year.

why burn a bridge prior to building a new one, doesn't mean we wont replace him or bring someone in to compete with, but if we saw poor snaps. poor holds, and obvious poor blocking, we can be sure the coaches did to, everyone though is quick to pin the blame on Crosby.

Who can I blame for Crosby not being able to kick the ball into the endzone on the kickoff after Holloween?

Your eyes.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2022 09:36

Yoop wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2022 09:34

BF004 wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2022 09:26

I'm sure Rich Bisaccia watched every kick many times and had some input on that decision.

Clean up the snap and hold game, no reason Mason shouldn't have a great year.

why burn a bridge prior to building a new one, doesn't mean we wont replace him or bring someone in to compete with, but if we saw poor snaps. poor holds, and obvious poor blocking, we can be sure the coaches did to, everyone though is quick to pin the blame on Crosby.

Who can I blame for Crosby not being able to kick the ball into the endzone on the kickoff after Holloween?

the tee caused those short kickoffs, Rich knows how to fix that though, have a little faith will ya

paco wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2022 10:04

Woof, be great to get him back though.

I feel like a normal year we could have gotten away with the lesser tender. But with Getsy and Hackett floating around and a need at WR, especially since the Broncos traded away Fant, I think this was the right move.

So gotta say, early on here, we really don't have a single pressing need heading into FA or the draft.

Rodgers
Jones/Dillon
Adams/Lazard/Cobb/Taylor
Lewis/Daguara/Tyler Davis
Bakhtiari/JRJ/Myers/Newman/Turner - Nijman,Van Lanen, Hansen

That's as good of an O as we've had. Could definitely use help/depth at WR, TE, interior OL, but not a glaring hole anywhere at this point. And this is again, before we are done resigning guys, adding bargain FA's, or draft.

On D similar

Slayton/Clark/Dean/Heflin
Gary/Preston/Garvin - Galeai I was really impressed with how Garvin was playing mid year before he got hurt, fairly competent OLB3
Campbell/Barnes/Summers
Jaire/Stokes/Douglas/Jean Charles
Amos/Savage/Black/Scott

Could still bring back Lancaster, but this is basically the same D + Jaire

Again, can still add a Lancaster, bargain FA, and draft.

With how this D finished last year and some new expectations, I am finally really going to expect a top 10 D here at worst. I mean you got pro-bowlers and all pros at every level and some real young potential.



Long story short, on paper, this is already going to be an excellent team and we will still be adding several pieces, but no where you can point to this roster and say we can't go into the season with that, that is why we won't win.

Two weakest spots I see are interior OL and DL. Not really where you want to have your weakest areas, so guessing we will see several pieces added to each group.

paco wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2022 10:04

Brush my shoulders off....

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

14 Mar 2022 14:51

paco wrote: ↑

14 Mar 2022 14:41

From the now updated story from Bill Huber...
According to his agent, Joe Panos, it’s a five-year deal worth $50 million. He will get $16.25 million in Year 1, $21.5 million in Year 2 and $32.25 million by Year 3.

Based on those details, here's my structure and cap guess:

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I'd bet there's a roster/option bonus in year 3 that creates a decision point, hence the spike in that year.

I will say it again.

I don't know where the money is coming from. But I also don't care at this point. We are setting ourselves up for a 2 year run.

We are signing guys left and right and seem to always be "over the cap" but who cares.

My guess is MVS is most definitely gone at this point. I also doubt T'Onion can be had. I do be Cobby conceeds a lot of his money and is back. I also expect Kelly to be back at RT as a stop gap before Elgton Jenkins is back.

I legit don't know if we will be able to extend Jenkins after his rookie contract due to cap constraints. I am fine going all in now, but your 2019 and 2020 guys who were drafted may not be a Packer on their 2nd contract as a result.

But we have to bring back Rasul. Give him 3 years too.

We need 3 CBs and he is just way more valuable to us than a Sullivan type.

I would say we are...now...seeing what "all in" looks like...as in, this is boom or bust. The future is going to be severely hampered...but its all good if we win one SB. I hope now that Rodgers has his bag he may start to care about SB as much as MVP.

I’m not a great fan of Tom Silverstein. But I think he tweeted his best tweet ever today. See below…

Now that we’ve seen #Packers QB Aaron Rodgers has $101M guaranteed fully and $150M guaranteed against injury, can we please drop the ‘it’s not about money’ garbage or that it’s a ‘cap-friendly’ deal. He got paid, as he deserves. But it’s not some great sacrifice for the team.”

To that, I say, “Amen!”

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2022 10:59

I’m not a great fan of Tom Silverstein. But I think he tweeted his best tweet ever today. See below…

Now that we’ve seen #Packers QB Aaron Rodgers has $101M guaranteed fully and $150M guaranteed against injury, can we please drop the ‘it’s not about money’ garbage or that it’s a ‘cap-friendly’ deal. He got paid, as he deserves. But it’s not some great sacrifice for the team.”

To that, I say, “Amen!”

I mean it was a cap friendly deal...in the first year