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I think the offense performed far below expectations, and I think with the way the O played…this team wasn’t winning a division or Super Bowl even if the d was “above average”, so again…I wouldn’t can the DC one year after singing his praises…it’s a good way to not get anybody to want to come coach for you.

Singing praises, not many, if any were doing that. It was a decent start last year, but only a start. We regressed.

The expectation for the offense was always early struggles. Then with injury that was compounded. Then compounded even more with the middling play of the QB. Coaching didn't help either, which is why it is on thin ice.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2023 16:46

Singing praises, not many, if any were doing that.

Nice edit

Drj820 wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2023 16:51

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2023 16:46

Singing praises, not many, if any were doing that.

Nice edit

There is always 1, so didn't want you to get hung up on the outlier.

This very thread starts off detailing the expectations and how high they were. It even details a bit that we expected struggles on offense.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2023 16:46

Singing praises, not many, if any were doing that. It was a decent start last year, but only a start. We regressed.

The expectation for the offense was always early struggles. Then with injury that was compounded. Then compounded even more with the middling play of the QB. Coaching didn't help either, which is why it is on thin ice.

Cmon, give it 4 edits.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2023 17:14

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2023 16:46

Singing praises, not many, if any were doing that. It was a decent start last year, but only a start. We regressed.

The expectation for the offense was always early struggles. Then with injury that was compounded. Then compounded even more with the middling play of the QB. Coaching didn't help either, which is why it is on thin ice.

Cmon, give it 4 edits.

I was adding to my thoughts instead of creating multiple posts. Since there was not any post with substance following mine, I figured it was ok.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2023 16:28

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2023 16:27

We lost mostly because of the offense, but the D was not fine. Bottom half by most accounts is not fine.

“We lost mostly because of the offense” and your arrows are out for the DC?

they where both sooo bad I'am about to flip a coin

I think the biggest fail on defense was the lack of time to learn Barry's off season adjustments to his zone schemes, seemed like terminology confusion, failing to pickup coverage handoffs where common, cover 6 makes the wide open spaces we see just a little smaller, it helps coverage, but didn't help us against the run yesterday, again we get run on for a buck and a half.

When Barry recently said this defense revolves around player input, or something to that affect, I had the impression Alexander put the word out he'd order a hit on the guy if he didn't make the adjustments we saw against the Vikes.

I think the more complicated you make anything, the more chance for mistakes, for most of the season we saw opponent receivers so open our DB's 5 to infinity yrds away, broken coverage was this defenses MO, the first year we saw far less of that with Barry's coverage schemes imho.

same with Pettines year 1 to 2nd season, which leads me to believe that both intensified and brought more complexity to there schemes, which allows more room for mistakes, add in the other normal abnormality's like a injured Gary, Alexander or another key player and you end up with to many newbies, hense more mistake prone play, at least thats what I see.

https://youtu.be/_4Y4ymjxwNY?t=157

4th and 2 - Cover 3, Alexander 6/7 yards off because of it, easy out for the first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=Ssm3oe96Fkg

4th and 1.5 - Cover 2, soft man underneath, Amos backpedals to the 2.5, easy completion for a first. Season is over with a first.

These are things we didn't see against MN and MIA. We played aggressive with a much better receiving group. When it was our last gasp, we reverted back to tendencies. It is these tendencies that I hate, soft coverage that allows for easy completions.

To close the books on the Packers 2022 defense, here are some final rankings of a unit I was convinced would finish in the top 10 and had high hopes would be in the top 5:

– 17th in points
– 17th in yards
– 28th in yards per play
– 20th in takeaways
– 20th in TDs allowed
– 23rd in scoring%
– 27th in sacks
– 28th in YPA
– 28th in YPC
– 20th in DVOA
– 21st in PFF grade
– 20th in EPA

With Joe Barry returning, I won't get fooled again.

LombardiTime wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2023 18:01

To close the books on the Packers 2022 defense, here are some final rankings of a unit I was convinced would finish in the top 10 and had high hopes would be in the top 5:

– 17th in points
– 17th in yards
– 28th in yards per play
– 20th in takeaways
– 20th in TDs allowed
– 23rd in scoring%
– 27th in sacks
– 28th in YPA
– 28th in YPC
– 20th in DVOA
– 21st in PFF grade
– 20th in EPA

With Joe Barry returning, I won't get fooled again.

But how many pressures?
;-)

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2023 18:16

LombardiTime wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2023 18:01

To close the books on the Packers 2022 defense, here are some final rankings of a unit I was convinced would finish in the top 10 and had high hopes would be in the top 5:

– 17th in points
– 17th in yards
– 28th in yards per play
– 20th in takeaways
– 20th in TDs allowed
– 23rd in scoring%
– 27th in sacks
– 28th in YPA
– 28th in YPC
– 20th in DVOA
– 21st in PFF grade
– 20th in EPA

With Joe Barry returning, I won't get fooled again.

But how many pressures?
;-)

LombardiTime wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2023 18:01

To close the books on the Packers 2022 defense, here are some final rankings of a unit I was convinced would finish in the top 10 and had high hopes would be in the top 5:

– 17th in points
– 17th in yards
– 28th in yards per play
– 20th in takeaways
– 20th in TDs allowed
– 23rd in scoring%
– 27th in sacks
– 28th in YPA
– 28th in YPC
– 20th in DVOA
– 21st in PFF grade
– 20th in EPA

With Joe Barry returning, I won't get fooled again.

I forgot an additional important "stat": The Packers spent the second-most cash in the league on defense this year.

Most defenses suck when the offense sucks. Most, not all.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2023 19:06

Most defenses suck when the offense sucks. Most, not all.

right, not all, which sure hasn't pertained to us DRJ, we've had some of the best offenses in the league the last decade and the best we could do on defense is top 12 in 2015 ???, one year out of the last 12, the offense has carried this defense and ST's like forever.

Yoop wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2023 20:10

Drj820 wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2023 19:06

Most defenses suck when the offense sucks. Most, not all.

right, not all, which sure hasn't pertained to us DRJ, we've had some of the best offenses in the league the last decade and the best we could do on defense is top 12 in 2015 ???, one year out of the last 12, the offense has carried this defense and ST's like forever.

I thought that was the winning formula though.

Yoop wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2023 20:10

Drj820 wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2023 19:06

Most defenses suck when the offense sucks. Most, not all.

right, not all, which sure hasn't pertained to us DRJ, we've had some of the best offenses in the league the last decade and the best we could do on defense is top 12 in 2015 ???, one year out of the last 12, the offense has carried this defense and ST's like forever.

I was speaking about in 22. Most years we’ve just paid the price for whiff after whiff in the draft on the defense

Drj820 wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2023 19:06

Most defenses suck when the offense sucks. Most, not all.

Packer defenses have sucked for most of the past 12 years.

In 4 of those 12 years, Rodgers won the MVP and in most of the past 12 years the Packers offense has not sucked.

At this point, the indisputable record reveals that the Packers defense pretty much sucks, or is at best mediocre, no matter the level of play of the Packer offense.

Furthermore, Baltimore, NY Jets, Washington, and New Orleans all had top 10 scoring defenses this season. Their scoring offenses finished 19th, 22nd, 24th, and 29th this season. Green Bay's offense finished 14th.

Indeed, despite Wilson/Hackett leading the Bronco offense to the worst/32nd ranked scoring offense, Denver still had a much better scoring defense than the one in Green Bay in 2022.

Blaming the poor performance of the Packer defense in 2022 on the Packer offense is about as persuasive as contending that the defense does not have enough resources despite the 7 1st round picks and 4 free agents and more $ being paid to members of the defense than all but one other team.

For a deeper dive into just how much this defense declined even from 2021, see https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/0 ... -joe-barry[/b]/

LombardiTime wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2023 23:48

Drj820 wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2023 19:06

Most defenses suck when the offense sucks. Most, not all.

Packer defenses have sucked for most of the past 12 years.

In 4 of those 12 years, Rodgers won the MVP and in most of the past 12 years the Packers offense has not sucked.

At this point, the indisputable record reveals that the Packers defense pretty much sucks, or is at best mediocre, no matter the level of play of the Packer offense.

Furthermore, Baltimore, NY Jets, Washington, and New Orleans all had top 10 scoring defenses this season. Their scoring offenses finished 19th, 22nd, 24th, and 29th this season. Green Bay's offense finished 14th.

Indeed, despite Wilson/Hackett leading the Bronco offense to the worst/32nd ranked scoring offense, Denver still had a much better scoring defense than the one in Green Bay in 2022.

Blaming the poor performance of the Packer defense in 2022 on the Packer offense is about as persuasive as contending that the defense does not have enough resources despite the 7 1st round picks and 4 free agents and more $ being paid to members of the defense than all but one other team.

For a deeper dive into just how much this defense declined even from 2021, see https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/0 ... -joe-barry[/b]/

This link works: https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/0 ... joe-barry/

LombardiTime wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2023 23:48

Drj820 wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2023 19:06

Most defenses suck when the offense sucks. Most, not all.

Packer defenses have sucked for most of the past 12 years.

In 4 of those 12 years, Rodgers won the MVP and in most of the past 12 years the Packers offense has not sucked.

At this point, the indisputable record reveals that the Packers defense pretty much sucks, or is at best mediocre, no matter the level of play of the Packer offense.

Furthermore, Baltimore, NY Jets, Washington, and New Orleans all had top 10 scoring defenses this season. Their scoring offenses finished 19th, 22nd, 24th, and 29th this season. Green Bay's offense finished 14th.

Indeed, despite Wilson/Hackett leading the Bronco offense to the worst/32nd ranked scoring offense, Denver still had a much better scoring defense than the one in Green Bay in 2022.

Blaming the poor performance of the Packer defense in 2022 on the Packer offense is about as persuasive as contending that the defense does not have enough resources despite the 7 1st round picks and 4 free agents and more $ being paid to members of the defense than all but one other team.

For a deeper dive into just how much this defense declined even from 2021, see https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/0 ... -joe-barry[/b]/

There is a reason I said “most” not all…Washington, jets, and Nola all have defensive head coaches who are really good at coaching defense. All far better than anyone on our team…the trade off for that is their offenses are atrocious.

As for us, yea I know the packers d has been sub par even the offenses have been great…I explained why in another post..for years we had Whiff after whiff high in the draft on the defensive side of the ball. That’s also the number one reason why the offense bled talent..all the resources were going to try to fix a broken defense.

My only point still stands tho…most defenses aren’t great when their is no complimentary football. Most aren’t great when put in bad spots all year long. We saw glimpses of the defense when the O was adequate in the last 4 games..it looked a lot better to me than at other times in the year.