Packers Huddle

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

25 Dec 2024 22:08

Remember the uproar over the Packers being "sellers" at the trade deadline when they traded away Preston?

APB wrote: ↑

26 Dec 2024 06:45

Remember the uproar over the Packers being "sellers" at the trade deadline when they traded away Preston?

Remember all the contending teams that were "doing it right" by buying at the trade deadline? How did all those trades work out? I'd say, in general, not a single trade really moved the needle one way or another.

Yeah, I'd say getting someone to take on Preston's contract was a positive. The fact the Packers are getting considerably better production out of the position is a bonus.



Side note: it appears the Bares, Vikings and Jets aren't the only ones who love them some former Packers. I'd have guessed Dean Lowry was out of the league by now. Good for him he's still hanging around.

Speaking of better production from the position vacated by Preston...BOO-YA!

APB wrote: ↑

26 Dec 2024 11:17

Speaking of better production from the position vacated by Preston...BOO-YA!

some of us have been on the Cox bandwagon for a while, he brings a lot of energy, too much at times, I remember Lafluer chewing him out after that penalty on the sidelines, I was surprised considering the play of Cox, can't remember when that penalty accured, could have been before the havoc he caused for Seattle later either way his play should get him more reps.

Vikings O is elite, but not unrealistic we could end the year as the #1 scoring D.

APB wrote: ↑

26 Dec 2024 11:13

I'd have guessed Dean Lowry was out of the league by now. Good for him he's still hanging around.

One of the reasons I've become a luke-warm fan over the years - just hanging around, and his career earnings are $34 million

Half Empty wrote: ↑

26 Dec 2024 14:34

APB wrote: ↑

26 Dec 2024 11:13

I'd have guessed Dean Lowry was out of the league by now. Good for him he's still hanging around.

One of the reasons I've become a luke-warm fan over the years - just hanging around, and his career earnings are $34 million

I had no idea NT Mike friggin' Pennel was still in the league. Dude's got a knack of barely sticking around: 11 years, 2 SB wins, just 25 starts, 5 career sacks, just $12.4M career earnings.

Bad thing if you are a "NT only" DL is that you are kinda easily replaceable, and likely won't see a big payday. Good thing is your game isn't predicated on the speed or quicks of youth, so if you are dependable, you can have a long career.

It’d be hard to make the argument without knowing his day-to-day contributions but, yeah, the timing of his arrival and the upswing in play on the defensive side of the ball is interesting.

APB wrote: ↑

26 Dec 2024 18:00

the timing of his arrival and the upswing in play on the defensive side of the ball is interesting.

Perhaps
The timing of the upswing is also in line with what you'd expect from a team with a new defense and new DC- they're learning it, playing faster and being more consistent in their roles. Its something Hafley talked about in his resent presser.
They're also a very young team, getting much needed reps for Bullard, Williams, Cooper, LVN, Cox,Brooks,Wooden, Valentine and others

MLF & Saleh both said he's there to help the offense gameplan and not to help Hafley. I'm sure they chat, but I'd push back on the notion that Saleh's arrival is the reason for the ascension of the 2024 defense.

BSA wrote: ↑

26 Dec 2024 19:34

APB wrote: ↑

26 Dec 2024 18:00

the timing of his arrival and the upswing in play on the defensive side of the ball is interesting.

Perhaps
The timing of the upswing is also in line with what you'd expect from a team with a new defense and new DC- they're learning it, playing faster and being more consistent in their roles. Its something Hafley talked about in his resent presser.
They're also a very young team, getting much needed reps for Bullard, Williams, Cooper, LVN, Cox,Brooks,Wooden, Valentine and others

MLF & Saleh both said he's there to help the offense gameplan and not to help Hafley. I'm sure they chat, but I'd push back on the notion that Saleh's arrival is the reason for the ascension of the 2024 defense.

Same. I think as the players got more in tune with how Hafley's system works, they became a better defense.

I just thought it was an interesting side conversation. I am firmly in the camp of this being Hafley's defense and no other.

who is this Bruce Irons?

we all know these two have worked together in the past, and are friends, but to think Saleh has input with this defense beyond observation is a stretch for me, what would seem likely though is that Robert sets up the scout team which our defense practices against all week, so in that way he would be helping our defense prepare.

why promote Saleh at the expense of Hafley

Yoop wrote: ↑

27 Dec 2024 07:09

who is this Bruce Irons? and in what world is he not insulting Haf?

we all know these two have worked together in the past, and are friends, but to think Saleh has input with this defense beyond observation is a stretch for me, what would seem likely though is that Robert sets up the scout team which our defense practices against all week, so in that way he would be helping our defense prepare.

Saleh gives me negative vibes for some reason. Don't know exactly why.

APB wrote: ↑

27 Dec 2024 07:11

Yoop wrote: ↑

27 Dec 2024 07:09

who is this Bruce Irons? and in what world is he not insulting Haf?

we all know these two have worked together in the past, and are friends, but to think Saleh has input with this defense beyond observation is a stretch for me, what would seem likely though is that Robert sets up the scout team which our defense practices against all week, so in that way he would be helping our defense prepare.

it's not a insult, it's PSA (public service announcement) in reality, Irons see's the two talking, and jumps to the conclusion that SAleah deserves the credit for the progress of a very young defense in the first season of brand new schemes, that's a reach for anyone to come to.

again, we've heard Saleah is here to help the offense, mostly, so, again, it would make more sense that they are talking about the opposing offense and what Saleah believes it will do, and Hafley may have a question or two with SAleah about defense, big deal, I bet Hafley talks to other coaches concerning defensive preparation as well, to me that would seem normal for any NFL team.

Good teams utilize all assets in the building. Communication on the field is huge, communication in the building is critical. Saleh has knowledge, of course your going to use that. If Saleh sees something he's going to point it out. All these guys have contacts with other team's coaching staffs, they contact them about recent opponents and get their insight. The info might not be acted upon but it is there. You pull in facts and opinions you trust and then Hafley makes the call.

But improvement in the D was going to happen just from time working together. The rookies are up to speed. Hafley has a better idea of what each player can do and what assignments to give them. Players know their roles. Upside rookies are getting more reps. You can ask more from them. As Hafley said in his presser. "I can disguise things more because guys understand what they are doing and why."

Is Saleh having a positive effect? Sure. Is he the main driving factor in the D coming on? No.

Saleh isn’t even around half the time. This is a part time gig for him. Saying he has 0% influence is likely not true, but I doubt it is much higher than that. LaFleur and Hafley are running these units. Anyone covering this team closer than Irons would be able to see that.

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

27 Dec 2024 07:34

Saleh gives me negative vibes for some reason. Don't know exactly why.

Given your feelings about LaFleur, this is a great sign for the Packers

NCF wrote: ↑

27 Dec 2024 08:17

Saleh isn’t even around half the time. This is a part time gig for him. Saying he has 0% influence is likely not true, but I doubt it is much higher than that. LaFleur and Hafley are running these units. Anyone covering this team closer than Irons would be able to see that.

I am really intrigued to see what happens with our coaching staff next year. I doubt Hafley is getting poached or anything after just one year (it's happened before, but the buzz hasn't hit that kind of fever pitch, especially for a defensive guy).

But honestly, with the way MLF talks about Stenovich and the run game--and the way the run game has improved and the way the run game has been highlighted around the league with Barkley and Henry followed by Jacobs and the Lions' duo, it wouldn't SHOUCK me if someone interviewed Steno, which could lead to a host of changes and some guys leaving with him if their contracts are in the right spot (offense or defense) and Saleh will be looking for a real job around the league and you have to wonder if MLF would want to try to find a role for him that he would accept....


Anyway, this is all conjecture and incomplete logic. But I do wonder if we're going to see coaching turnover again this year or if we'll stay pretty steady. Beast way to get continuity is a deep playoff run. It's kept the Chiefs and Ravens together a bit more than expected the past two years. And it likely helped the Lions last year keep Johnson, at the least