your just twisting my words now, I know you know exactly what I'am talking about, Love is not some accomplished vet, we all know that, my point is and always has been, he will improve, IF WE WANT TO SEE FASTER IMPROVEMENT, then better blocking will lead to that, poor blocking is making Loves transition harder.
That's actually never been your articulated point until now and guess what?! I agree with that point.
you new what I meant all along, yet deprived your students and ripped off joe tax payor for 2 hours arguing with me about stuff you new I meant all along, umm, not good
No, we rarely know what you mean. What you say changes constantly. This has been happening constantly for 15 years... Say what you actually mean instead of making us constantly guess and there won't be a problem.
Drj820 wrote:Pretending Love and Rodgers are equal is hilarious and a giveaway one should not be taken seriously
I, nor the tweet author in my eyes, never said they were equal. I do find it curious, though, that your takeaway would be to jump to that conclusion and dismiss the entire thought outright.
To me, this tweet highlights their production has been near identical through the first five games of 2022/2023.
Why is it pertinent, beyond the obvious, anyway?
All the arguing over "Rodgers does the intangibles" stuff like calling out o-line alignments, recognizing blitzes, audibling out of bad plays, etc - all things Love apparently is incapable of - had little impact in production. Both QBs, in running the same offense, have had very similar production in a year-over-year comparison.
It pretty much undermines the entire "intangibles" argument in my eyes. For all of Rodgers' experience and savvy, it did little to improve production in 2022. Whatever gains he provided the offense in those areas, it clearly did not translate to higher production.
You say the implicit stuff doesn’t matter, yet the packers were 3-2 at this point in the season last year, the losing streak just started this week (last year) and it happened at the same time Rodgers broke his finger/thumb?
So the implicit stuff could be said to have been worth a game.
I think it’s the exact same for this season. I think 12 navigates us to a win against the falcons this season and we would be 3-2.
Implicit means it doesn’t explicitly show up in the stat book by the way
Holy smokes.
I said no such thing. I said it had no overarching impact on his individual production as compared to Love this year.
Words have meaning, doctor.
Further, that additional win could just as easily be attributed to Aaron Jones (he was available all 5 games last year) and a much more efficient AJ Dillon. Hell, it could be attributed to any number of things. For you to make the argument it's due to Rodgers implicit play is palpably homeristic.
That, or it's yet another disingenuous take and simply another juvenile attempt to continue the argument.
Side note: "palpably" means it's pretty $%@# obvious, by the way.
I, nor the tweet author in my eyes, never said they were equal. I do find it curious, though, that your takeaway would be to jump to that conclusion and dismiss the entire thought outright.
To me, this tweet highlights their production has been near identical through the first five games of 2022/2023.
Why is it pertinent, beyond the obvious, anyway?
All the arguing over "Rodgers does the intangibles" stuff like calling out o-line alignments, recognizing blitzes, audibling out of bad plays, etc - all things Love apparently is incapable of - had little impact in production. Both QBs, in running the same offense, have had very similar production in a year-over-year comparison.
It pretty much undermines the entire "intangibles" argument in my eyes. For all of Rodgers' experience and savvy, it did little to improve production in 2022. Whatever gains he provided the offense in those areas, it clearly did not translate to higher production.
You say the implicit stuff doesn’t matter, yet the packers were 3-2 at this point in the season last year, the losing streak just started this week (last year) and it happened at the same time Rodgers broke his finger/thumb?
So the implicit stuff could be said to have been worth a game.
I think it’s the exact same for this season. I think 12 navigates us to a win against the falcons this season and we would be 3-2.
Implicit means it doesn’t explicitly show up in the stat book by the way
Holy smokes.
I said no such thing. I said it had no overarching impact on his individual production as compared to Love this year.
Words have meaning, doctor.
Further, that additional win could just as easily be attributed to Aaron Jones (he was available all 5 games last year) and a much more efficient AJ Dillon. Hell, it could be attributed to any number of things. For you to make the argument it's due to Rodgers implicit play is palpably homeristic.
That, or it's yet another disingenuous take and simply another juvenile attempt to continue the argument.
Side note: "palpably" means it's pretty $%@# obvious, by the way.
You need to breathe man. Coming in way too hard for a mod of a healthy site. I took the following comments to imply that all the stuff I mentioned didn’t help the packers get to 3-2
“ All the arguing over "Rodgers does the intangibles" stuff like calling out o-line alignments, recognizing blitzes, audibling out of bad plays, etc - all things Love apparently is incapable of - had little impact in production. Both QBs, in running the same offense, have had very similar production in a year-over-year comparison.
It pretty much undermines the entire "intangibles" argument in my eyes. For all of Rodgers' experience and savvy, it did little to improve production in 2022. Whatever gains he provided the offense in those areas, it clearly did not translate to higher production.”
I obviously wasn’t talking about rodgers individual stats, those are explicit. The whole time I was talking about ways rodgers impacted winning that didn’t show up on stat sheet. I specifically stated it was of great value that he acted as a coach on the field.
My take is only controversial to those that hate rodgers, hate me, or just want to argue.
I, nor the tweet author in my eyes, never said they were equal. I do find it curious, though, that your takeaway would be to jump to that conclusion and dismiss the entire thought outright.
To me, this tweet highlights their production has been near identical through the first five games of 2022/2023.
Why is it pertinent, beyond the obvious, anyway?
All the arguing over "Rodgers does the intangibles" stuff like calling out o-line alignments, recognizing blitzes, audibling out of bad plays, etc - all things Love apparently is incapable of - had little impact in production. Both QBs, in running the same offense, have had very similar production in a year-over-year comparison.
It pretty much undermines the entire "intangibles" argument in my eyes. For all of Rodgers' experience and savvy, it did little to improve production in 2022. Whatever gains he provided the offense in those areas, it clearly did not translate to higher production.
You say the implicit stuff doesn’t matter, yet the packers were 3-2 at this point in the season last year, the losing streak just started this week (last year) and it happened at the same time Rodgers broke his finger/thumb?
So the implicit stuff could be said to have been worth a game.
I think it’s the exact same for this season. I think 12 navigates us to a win against the falcons this season and we would be 3-2.
Implicit means it doesn’t explicitly show up in the stat book by the way
Holy smokes.
I said no such thing. I said it had no overarching impact on his individual production as compared to Love this year.
Words have meaning, doctor.
Further, that additional win could just as easily be attributed to Aaron Jones (he was available all 5 games last year) and a much more efficient AJ Dillon. Hell, it could be attributed to any number of things. For you to make the argument it's due to Rodgers implicit play is palpably homeristic.
That, or it's yet another disingenuous take and simply another juvenile attempt to continue the argument.
Side note: "palpably" means it's pretty $%@# obvious, by the way.
nothing more then a attempt by you to say Love is just as good as Rodgers, you wont accept that pressure has/had effected both.
why you or anyone would think pressure doesn't affect a QB's ability to read progressions, or even attempt to fool a defense is beyond imagination.
Love is no where at the point of being able to force a defense to do anything, Rodgers was one of the best in the league at it, but you wont even acknowledge that.
Love needs more help, wont acknowledge that, better blocking, same thing, your idea that Love just has to do better is a conversation ender, we all know that
your idea that Love just has to do better is a conversation ender, we all know that
And yet this conversation will absolutely not end.
Re: Love SZN: Official Thread of QB1.
Posted: 12 Oct 2023 12:47
by go pak go
The Packers won games in 2020 because Aaron Jones dominated week 2.
The Packers held the Bucs to 1 TD.
We played Hoyer and Zappe
Rodgers played boss man vs Dallas.
Christian Watson beat the bears
The Rams was filled with practice squad guys
The Dolphins pissed a win down their pants
The defense and STs came alive vs MN
I will give Rodgers credit for the Pats and Cowboys. Everything else was done and could have been done by pretty much any NFL quarterback. Intangibles aren't necessary if Watson busts one or the defense and STs scores 17 points.
your idea that Love just has to do better is a conversation ender, we all know that
And yet this conversation will absolutely not end.
seriously, I thought it was accepted by most human beings that when a foe is grilling you it's hard to think about anything else, I really thought that, honest
The Packers won games in 2020 because Aaron Jones dominated week 2.
The Packers held the Bucs to 1 TD.
We played Hoyer and Zappe
Rodgers played boss man vs Dallas.
Christian Watson beat the bears
The Rams was filled with practice squad guys
The Dolphins pissed a win down their pants
The defense and STs came alive vs MN
I will give Rodgers credit for the Pats and Cowboys. Everything else was done and could have been done by pretty much any NFL quarterback. Intangibles aren't necessary if Watson busts one or the defense and STs scores 17 points.
you can spell it to your hearts content, the intangibles, which includes pass rush is the break point for whether a QB will make it in this league or he wont, unless a QB can set up the coverages, dictate the defense, then it will be harder for the receivers, the blockers, the RB's everything becomes harder, and being able to do that consistently takes a young QB some time, so we don't make it any easier when the blocking breaks down.
This is a crazy post if it is just like Rodgers once had 5 ints in 5 games. So much reaching. Anyone trying to indicate that Rodgers is not good is an idiot.
The tweet references turnovers, not just interceptions. In the end, if you're giving away the football, no matter how it occurred, it's still a turnover.
And sorry, no, Rodgers was not good in 2022.
Drj820 wrote:Pretending Love and Rodgers are equal is hilarious and a giveaway one should not be taken seriously
I, nor the tweet author in my eyes, never said they were equal. I do find it curious, though, that your takeaway would be to jump to that conclusion and dismiss the entire thought outright.
To me, this tweet highlights their production has been near identical through the first five games of 2022/2023.
Why is it pertinent, beyond the obvious, anyway?
All the arguing over "Rodgers does the intangibles" stuff like calling out o-line alignments, recognizing blitzes, audibling out of bad plays, etc - all things Love apparently is incapable of - had little impact in production. Both QBs, in running the same offense, have had very similar production in a year-over-year comparison.
It pretty much undermines the entire "intangibles" argument in my eyes. For all of Rodgers' experience and savvy, it did little to improve production in 2022. Whatever gains he provided the offense in those areas, it clearly did not translate to higher production.
Rodgers won mvp back to back in this offense lol yes very similar in this offense. Oh the year he had a broken thumb on his throwing hand! Still Rodgers ulwas better last year despite that!
Re: Love SZN: Official Thread of QB1.
Posted: 12 Oct 2023 15:15
by Drj820
We got some comedians in here lol. We go from back to back MVPs, a 3-2 record, then a decline with a broken hand, then a resurge to play for a playoff spot in the last week…and now we are pretending Love and Rodgers are equal players as the offense is completely broken. It’s comedy!
You need to breathe man. Coming in way too hard for a mod of a healthy site. I took the following comments to imply that all the stuff I mentioned didn’t help the packers get to 3-2
Classic.
Post antagonistic drivel then play the innocent when somebody responds in turn. Just following your lead, bro.
I obviously wasn’t talking about rodgers individual stats, those are explicit. The whole time I was talking about ways rodgers impacted winning that didn’t show up on stat sheet. I specifically stated it was of great value that he acted as a coach on the field.
I see. So the only tangible measure that can be reasonably compared (actual performance statistics) is irrelevant and, conversely, the immeasurable, omnipotent power of Rodgers is to be the sole consideration in assessing impacts of winning or losing. Got it.
We got some comedians in here lol. We go from back to back MVPs, a 3-2 record, then a decline with a broken hand, then a resurge to play for a playoff spot in the last week…and now we are pretending Love and Rodgers are equal players as the offense is completely broken. It’s comedy!
And again with the juvenile misrepresentations.
I already clarified my position. Your refusal to acknowledge it, or inability to comprehend it, is apparent. No sense chasing this any further.
This is a crazy post if it is just like Rodgers once had 5 ints in 5 games. So much reaching. Anyone trying to indicate that Rodgers is not good is an idiot.
The tweet references turnovers, not just interceptions. In the end, if you're giving away the football, no matter how it occurred, it's still a turnover.
And sorry, no, Rodgers was not good in 2022.
Drj820 wrote:Pretending Love and Rodgers are equal is hilarious and a giveaway one should not be taken seriously
I, nor the tweet author in my eyes, never said they were equal. I do find it curious, though, that your takeaway would be to jump to that conclusion and dismiss the entire thought outright.
To me, this tweet highlights their production has been near identical through the first five games of 2022/2023.
Why is it pertinent, beyond the obvious, anyway?
All the arguing over "Rodgers does the intangibles" stuff like calling out o-line alignments, recognizing blitzes, audibling out of bad plays, etc - all things Love apparently is incapable of - had little impact in production. Both QBs, in running the same offense, have had very similar production in a year-over-year comparison.
It pretty much undermines the entire "intangibles" argument in my eyes. For all of Rodgers' experience and savvy, it did little to improve production in 2022. Whatever gains he provided the offense in those areas, it clearly did not translate to higher production.
Rodgers won mvp back to back in this offense lol yes very similar in this offense. Oh the year he had a broken thumb on his throwing hand! Still Rodgers ulwas better last year despite that!
I have no clue what you're responding to in my post.
We got some comedians in here lol. We go from back to back MVPs, a 3-2 record, then a decline with a broken hand, then a resurge to play for a playoff spot in the last week…and now we are pretending Love and Rodgers are equal players as the offense is completely broken. It’s comedy!
And again with the juvenile misrepresentations.
I already clarified my position. Your refusal to acknowledge it, or inability to comprehend it, is apparent. No sense chasing this any further.
Well it’s just that your position was referring to tangible statistics. Mine was just a veteran qb acts as a coach on the field and that is valuable. If that’s something you deny, that is the part I found to be comedic. Was not intending to be rude.
Re: Love SZN: Official Thread of QB1.
Posted: 12 Oct 2023 16:49
by Acrobat
You know what would really add to this discussion? Debating on whether Rodgers had enough weapons at his disposal during his prime. Anyone what to jumpstart this one?
I am not convinced that low percentage is wholly attributable to him, though. There are experience issues all over this offense that, I believe, have contributed to those inefficiencies. That, and MLF/staff are not doing the offense any favors with game-planning/play calls that would negate some of those inefficiencies.
It's definitely true that Love isn't the only one responsible for his terrible completion percentage. But he's partly to blame for it as well.
And while we are at it, it would be really interesting if there were a stat or how Rodgers played when Bakh was on the sidelines. We know how badly Rodgers played in the playoffs when Bakh was hurt from what our eyes told us, but no stats.
Rodgers played in 31 regular season games Bakhtiari missed and put up the following numbers:
715-1055 (67.8%) for 7,866 yards, 71 TD, 11 INT, 107.7 passer rating
In 114 regular season both played his numbers are as follows:
2,534-3,940 (64.3%) for 29,528 yards, 233 TD, 48 INT, 101.5 passer rating
At this point there is just as much of a chance that he turns out to be a bad or average starting QB. And besides, just being good is not going to be enough. This is Green Bay. Top notch QB play is essential to who we are. We need excellent play from the QB to win Super Bowls.
I agree that Love developing into an average QB definitely isn't good enough after Gutekunst traded up in the first round to select him with the team having a HOF QB on the roster while coming off making it to the NFCCG the previous year.
You know what would really add to this discussion? Debating on whether Rodgers had enough weapons at his disposal during his prime. Anyone what to jumpstart this one?
The WR argument is becoming a thing of the past. It is becoming the Dom Capers argument. Brought up occasionally but not top of mind.
A new pet topic is forming. Basically just copy and paste everything you have read and do a Find & Replace of the following words:
WR = OL
Catch = Block
Route running = allowing a free rusher
ignoring 6 or 7 years = this will will still be 6 or 7 years.
You know what would really add to this discussion? Debating on whether Rodgers had enough weapons at his disposal during his prime. Anyone what to jumpstart this one?
The WR argument is becoming a thing of the past. It is becoming the Dom Capers argument. Brought up occasionally but not top of mind.
A new pet topic is forming. Basically just copy and paste everything you have read and do a Find & Replace of the following words:
WR = OL
Catch = Block
Route running = allowing a free rusher
ignoring 6 or 7 years = this will will still be 6 or 7 years.
ya I pretty much hit on the most important stuff, while you fumble around with incidentals
pressure leads to poor decision making, and just about everything else that goes bad for a QB, and I was told that by a person smarter then anyone in this forum
Re: Love SZN: Official Thread of QB1.
Posted: 13 Oct 2023 08:46
by Drj820
Love won’t have a long career if he throws ints right to the defense. That’s the thing that is on only him, that he has to clean up. It doesn’t matter if he’s pressured or not, that’s what he can’t do.
Missing open guys, inaccurate on deep balls, etc..it’s all whatever. He can work that stuff out over time, and the pressure very well may be to blame for that stuff.
But no matter what, the ints and pick 6s etc must cease immediately
