Yes! The WR's needed to know when Rodgers misread the safeties and they should have chip blocked the safeties! And Bakh has to win those jump balls!
Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
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QB's are not simply graded or rated on team wins, or PO or owl wins.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑14 Nov 2023 09:35Not even close. Based on the statistics that matter, the PRIMARY statistics that matter since the 1967, Super Bowl wins and Super Bowl appearances, Rodgers is about #20.I did not look before 1967 but there are several including Otto Graham who won 7 NFL Championships.
We are Packers Fans, but Rodgers is no longer a Packer and we ought to see him as what he was, far from the GOAT, in fact roughly between 20th best and 30th best NFL QB of all time.
Except Aaron Rodgers of course who is perfect EVERY year if not for broken thumbs, receivers dropping everything and offensive line being swiss cheese.Yoop wrote: ↑14 Nov 2023 09:36here you go again with data, which tells us almost nothing, players don't play the same year in or year out, you know this,go pak go wrote: ↑14 Nov 2023 09:29Agreed. Our offensive Line is better this year. Complete oversight.Yoop wrote: ↑14 Nov 2023 09:20
a person would have to be blind to think this team this season isn't better then what this team was last year, the only thing not as good is the run game, these receivers are better, and same with OL, obviously the team isn't where we want it to be, and they havn't made it easy on Love, but he is missing ten times the throws as Rodgers did, a blind hermit could see that.
Rasheed Walker > David Bakhtiari
Elgton Jenkins > Elgton Jenkins
Josh Myers > Josh Myers
John Runyan > John Runyan
Toms > Toms
Nijman > Nijman
My bad.
I get it now!
Now the crowd freaking out about comparing Rodgers's play in an off-year during the twilight of his career to Love this year (not, mind you, Rodgers to Love straight-up like they keep acting) ... is saying like the OL is no worse now than the year we had an all-pro (and playing like it, unlike Rodgers at QB last year) starting most of our games at LT, and in fact it is BETTER this year. 
“Most other nations don't allow a terrorist to be their leader.”
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
Rodgers healed from the thumb and took the bums from last year to a place where they could win and they were in for the playoffs.
Lets see if Love can do that this year...since he is the same qb after all.
Lets see if Love can do that this year...since he is the same qb after all.
"You guys are watching too much Andy Herman"-P23
Some of you are destroying your credibility. Im not going to let it affect my view of you though. Just gonna chalk it up as a blind spot, which we all have.
"You guys are watching too much Andy Herman"-P23
It will be interesting. I am confident we get to 6 to 7 wins.
If the defense and STs pull a Vikings/Dolphins special I think we could get to 8. Maybe even 9.
and what evidence besides green glasses lead you to believe the Def and STs will pull a Vikings/Dolphins?
"You guys are watching too much Andy Herman"-P23
LOL, the best comment today so far has been "Here you go again with data". 
That was hilarious.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Did I say they would?Drj820 wrote: ↑14 Nov 2023 09:53and what evidence besides green glasses lead you to believe the Def and STs will pull a Vikings/Dolphins?
I said I was confident in getting to 6 to 7 wins.
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Why wait? Kenny Pickett is leading his team to a winning record, and his OL is full of bums who can't pass-pro!
'Doesn't make him a great player or mean he is having a good season. In fact, he is in the Bottom 5 of QBR.
'Doesn't make him a great player or mean he is having a good season. In fact, he is in the Bottom 5 of QBR.
“Most other nations don't allow a terrorist to be their leader.”
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
Oops. Sorry. I meant that quote was from Jesus.Never Let The Truth Get in the Way of a Good Story
-Mark Twain
In response to opinion-based assertions, haha.
“Most other nations don't allow a terrorist to be their leader.”
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
the data boys are the brandon staleys of the forum world. Muh analytics. I have eyes and a feel for the game, and I use data as tool, not a God.
Aaron Rodgers is a better quarterback than Jordan Love.
Aaron Rodgers is a better quarterback than Jordan Love.
"You guys are watching too much Andy Herman"-P23
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Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Hey man. Commit. Say what you mean and mean what you say.
I fixed it for you.
This is a classic case of the motte-and-bailey argument, packaging Rodgers's superiority to Love (undisputed i.e. the "motte") together with the 2022 vs. 2023 comparison between them (more debatable i.e. the "bailey") and defending Rodgers's 2022 as better by running to the motte:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and ... bailey%22).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and ... bailey%22).
“Most other nations don't allow a terrorist to be their leader.”
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
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All this could have been avoided if Gutey had just done his freakin' job and traded Rodgers to the Broncos in 2022!!!
“We didn’t lose the game; we just ran out of time.”
- Vince Lombardi
- Vince Lombardi
Can't do it obviously, but interesting mental masturbation.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."