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lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

08 Oct 2024 22:03

Drj820 wrote: ↑

08 Oct 2024 21:40

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

08 Oct 2024 21:15

Rodgers past success has really blinded him to the way offenses need to be run in todays game. The passing game evolved so quickly to what it is now. It’s hard to pass the ball if you aren’t willing to go under center and run play action. He just wants to sit back in shotgun and snap the ball with 0 seconds all the while throwing insanely difficult passes that rely completely on chemistry, timing, and elite precision.

At the top of his game when he had the ability to extend better and make plays with his legs it would work but those days are gone. Worst part is I don’t think anyone will ever get through to him either.

Good point. Lafleur tried for two years to modernize rodgers game and bring him out of needing to play hero ball. Rodgers seemed to basically refuse and wanted to do things the old way.

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If I remember right the year before Davante left Rodgers did embrace the LaFleur offense and it was pretty successful. After Adams left he wanted to go back to the way he used to play but at that point the WR room was either too inexperienced or just really bad and Rodgers just had enough with Gutenbumst lack of concern with bringing in WR talent.

He did in many ways. But I still think he did what he wanted to do. The whole “two plays in the huddle”, rodgers would choose based off what the defense showed. Problem is that good defenses will show one thing and do another .

I just remember the whole first year the big talk about how it was a blend between rodgers offense and Lafleurs offense. Rodgers publically was resistant to just doing the new offense. I remember him saying “I’ve led some good offenses in the past too” etc

Like bud, you ain’t won nothing since 2010, we hired a new coach to change that…shut up and learn a new offense that the coach wants to run

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

08 Oct 2024 22:03

If I remember right the year before Davante left Rodgers did embrace the LaFleur offense and it was pretty successful. After Adams left he wanted to go back to the way he used to play but at that point the WR room was either too inexperienced or just really bad and Rodgers just had enough with Gutenbumst lack of concern with bringing in WR talent.

He did with the league MVP about 3 years ago.

Then we had a lot of junk at WR and were pretty bad up front. The Jets face the same problem we did. If you can't really run at will to move the ball and get the defense to commit to the run, you are going to have a long day passing when your oline can't protect either.

Everyone says, hit the short stuff, scheme this, scheme that. Well when the defense doesn't need to respect anything you're doing, good luck. Everybody plays up, the play tight, they all fly downhill, because nobody is scare of anything going past them. They know the QB won't have time. and that floods the middle and short route lanes, it allows DB's to fly downhill and stay involved and not be ran off. the 4 yard pass in space goes nowhere because there is no space and 4 guys are full speed downhill at you.

I've only seen part of the Jets first game and the 4th quarter of the last game. What I saw the last one, their oline sucked. They offer less protection than a thrice used lambskin condom kept on the dash of your '84 Ford escort in between uses.

musclestang wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024 05:52

Everyone says, hit the short stuff, scheme this, scheme that. Well when the defense doesn't need to respect anything you're doing, good luck. Everybody plays up, the play tight, they all fly downhill, because nobody is scare of anything going past them. They know the QB won't have time. and that floods the middle and short route lanes, it allows DB's to fly downhill and stay involved and not be ran off. the 4 yard pass in space goes nowhere because there is no space and 4 guys are full speed downhill at you.

load the box and get to the QB, we even practiced with play clock to speed up delivery

Rodgers accepted Lafleurs schemes to the tune of 2 MVP's and a 39-10 record, Rodgers/Lafleurs problem was defenses were able to limit every receiver even Tae at times, and a defense that couldn't hold a lead.

prior to Lafleur it was the same thing, 1 great receiver, limited run production and defensive liabilities

the best passing offenses have 2 receivers that demand over the top support, to often we didn't have that or anything even close to it.

If Sean Payton and Bree's had success with spread verticals after 2018, McCarthy and Rodgers would have too, but it requires more then Adams and a room full of scrubs

Yoop wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024 06:12

If Sean Payton and Bree's had success with spread verticals after 2018, McCarthy and Rodgers would have too, but it requires more then Adams and a room full of scrubs

OMG yoop if Rodgers was given those Saints receivers you would have *wailed* about it.

It would have been "he has Michael Thomas and no one else, just a room full of scrubs! Why are you defendin' GM insanity??"

Labrev wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024 08:13

Yoop wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024 06:12

If Sean Payton and Bree's had success with spread verticals after 2018, McCarthy and Rodgers would have too, but it requires more then Adams and a room full of scrubs

OMG yoop if Rodgers was given those Saints receivers you would have *wailed* about it.

It would have been "he has Michael Thomas and no one else, just a room full of scrubs! Why are you defendin' GM insanity??"

your looking at just 2018, the sainst had quality production at TE with Cooks to go with Thomas and Kamera, along with Emanual Sanders other seasons, along with guys who only produce 3 or 400 yrds a season..

GM insanity is having the best QB in the league and not giving him more Tae level talent, thats QB abuse

Yoop wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024 08:52

GM insanity is having the best QB in the league and not giving him more Tae level talent, thats QB abuse

Well, Tae is a pretty special talent. But AR made him just as much as he helped AR. But I see your point, but another one like Tae is unrealistic.

Yoop wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024 08:52

Labrev wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024 08:13

Yoop wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024 06:12

If Sean Payton and Bree's had success with spread verticals after 2018, McCarthy and Rodgers would have too, but it requires more then Adams and a room full of scrubs

OMG yoop if Rodgers was given those Saints receivers you would have *wailed* about it.

It would have been "he has Michael Thomas and no one else, just a room full of scrubs! Why are you defendin' GM insanity??"

your looking at just 2018, the sainst had quality production at TE with Cooks to go with Thomas and Kamera, along with Emanual Sanders other seasons, along with guys who only produce 3 or 400 yrds a season..

GM insanity is having the best QB in the league and not giving him more Tae level talent, thats QB abuse

He had Cooks in 2019-20, Sanders only 2020. He was just as productive (actually, a lot more) before they came to town. 2017 and 18 with "only" Thomas were also more productive. Why is it that Brees could make it work those years, and Mahomes can win it all with MVS as WR2, but we cannot expect that if Rodgers with "only" Adams ("only" the best WR in the league lol)?

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

08 Oct 2024 21:15

Rodgers past success has really blinded him to the way offenses need to be run in todays game. The passing game evolved so quickly to what it is now. It’s hard to pass the ball if you aren’t willing to go under center and run play action. He just wants to sit back in shotgun and snap the ball with 0 seconds all the while throwing insanely difficult passes that rely completely on chemistry, timing, and elite precision.

At the top of his game when he had the ability to extend better and make plays with his legs it would work but those days are gone. Worst part is I don’t think anyone will ever get through to him either.

You MIGHT be right about the norm for offenses in the league now. But take any QB who waits till almost zero on the play clock, throws for 30+ TDs and 4,000+ yards, and leads an offense that averages 25+ points per game and is potential MVP every year. It's kinda hard to suggest that he's been passed by or that he has neglected to keep up with the times.

wallyuwl wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024 09:28

Yoop wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024 08:52

GM insanity is having the best QB in the league and not giving him more Tae level talent, thats QB abuse

Well, Tae is a pretty special talent. But AR made him just as much as he helped AR. But I see your point, but another one like Tae is unrealistic.

true but one almost as talented was needed, rather we got those 3 Amigos, Moe Curly larry, plus the the old stand by's Shemp, and Joe

Labrev wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024 09:28

Yoop wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024 08:52

Labrev wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024 08:13

OMG yoop if Rodgers was given those Saints receivers you would have *wailed* about it.

It would have been "he has Michael Thomas and no one else, just a room full of scrubs! Why are you defendin' GM insanity??"

your looking at just 2018, the sainst had quality production at TE with Cooks to go with Thomas and Kamera, along with Emanual Sanders other seasons, along with guys who only produce 3 or 400 yrds a season..

GM insanity is having the best QB in the league and not giving him more Tae level talent, thats QB abuse

He had Cooks in 2019-20, Sanders only 2020. He was just as productive (actually, a lot more) before they came to town. 2017 and 18 with "only" Thomas were also more productive. Why is it that Brees could make it work those years, and Mahomes can win it all with MVS as WR2, but we cannot expect that if Rodgers with "only" Adams ("only" the best WR in the league lol)?

Mahomes never won it all with MVS as his number two, that was Shuster, Kelce was the focus of there offense, as with Payton and NO, it's how you scheme and use the talent that separates the winners and the also rans, I think you know this, your upset as we all are that we didn't win more SB's with Rodgers, but unlike you, I don't blame Rodgers for that, I blame the GM and McCarthy.
there where articles where Rodger said we need to adjust our offense, we need to run more back in 2017

Brees/Payton had a more diverse passing game specially with Kamara, we've never had a RB with 800 yrds receiving, even though one was on the roster in Jones, again simply using go routes over and over becomes predictable and defensible, specially when ya lack receivers capable of beating 1 on 1 coverage, once we lost compliments to Adams with the decline of Nelson, Cobb, Jones etc. then McCarthy's pass schemes became to limited

Yoop wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024 10:41

Labrev wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024 09:28

Yoop wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024 08:52

your looking at just 2018, the sainst had quality production at TE with Cooks to go with Thomas and Kamera, along with Emanual Sanders other seasons, along with guys who only produce 3 or 400 yrds a season..

GM insanity is having the best QB in the league and not giving him more Tae level talent, thats QB abuse

He had Cooks in 2019-20, Sanders only 2020. He was just as productive (actually, a lot more) before they came to town. 2017 and 18 with "only" Thomas were also more productive. Why is it that Brees could make it work those years, and Mahomes can win it all with MVS as WR2, but we cannot expect that if Rodgers with "only" Adams ("only" the best WR in the league lol)?

Mahomes never won it all with MVS as his number two, that was Shuster, Kelce was the focus of there offense, as with Payton and NO, it's how you scheme and use the talent that separates the winners and the also rans, I think you know this, your upset as we all are that we didn't win more SB's with Rodgers, but unlike you, I don't blame Rodgers for that, I blame the GM and McCarthy.
there where articles where Rodger said we need to adjust our offense, we need to run more back in 2017

Brees/Payton had a more diverse passing game specially with Kamara, we've never had a RB with 800 yrds receiving, even though one was on the roster in Jones, again simply using go routes over and over becomes predictable and defensible, specially when ya lack receivers capable of beating 1 on 1 coverage, once we lost compliments to Adams with the decline of Nelson, Cobb, Jones etc. then McCarthy's pass schemes became to limited

Schuster was not on KCs team last year.

Jones is just as much of a weapon as Kamara, maybe not quite as good, but Thomas is not quite as good as Adams either. Yet Thomas and Kamara are enough for Brees to play well, and nobody talks about how their GM hung him out to dry.

The difference is Breed elevates his guys, Rodgers plays the blame game, and if we had any doubt of that, we see another team fall into disarray due to his toxic influence, this time with Garrett Wilson and Mike Williams as his 1 and 2 so you can't even complain about receiver quality (now it's "oh the OL is bad ... the blame game always follows him, even on a new team, and somehow he is never the one at fault—weird).

Labrev wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024 11:45

Yoop wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024 10:41

Labrev wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024 09:28

He had Cooks in 2019-20, Sanders only 2020. He was just as productive (actually, a lot more) before they came to town. 2017 and 18 with "only" Thomas were also more productive. Why is it that Brees could make it work those years, and Mahomes can win it all with MVS as WR2, but we cannot expect that if Rodgers with "only" Adams ("only" the best WR in the league lol)?

Mahomes never won it all with MVS as his number two, that was Shuster, Kelce was the focus of there offense, as with Payton and NO, it's how you scheme and use the talent that separates the winners and the also rans, I think you know this, your upset as we all are that we didn't win more SB's with Rodgers, but unlike you, I don't blame Rodgers for that, I blame the GM and McCarthy.
there where articles where Rodger said we need to adjust our offense, we need to run more back in 2017

Brees/Payton had a more diverse passing game specially with Kamara, we've never had a RB with 800 yrds receiving, even though one was on the roster in Jones, again simply using go routes over and over becomes predictable and defensible, specially when ya lack receivers capable of beating 1 on 1 coverage, once we lost compliments to Adams with the decline of Nelson, Cobb, Jones etc. then McCarthy's pass schemes became to limited

Schuster was not on KCs team last year.

Jones is just as much of a weapon as Kamara, maybe not quite as good, but Thomas is not quite as good as Adams either. Yet Thomas and Kamara are enough for Brees to play well, and nobody talks about how their GM hung him out to dry.

The difference is Breed elevates his guys, Rodgers plays the blame game, and if we had any doubt of that, we see another team fall into disarray due to his toxic influence, this time with Garrett Wilson and Mike Williams as his 1 and 2 so you can't even complain about receiver quality (now it's "oh the OL is bad ... the blame game always follows him, even on a new team, and somehow he is never the one at fault—weird).

never mentioned the OL, it does suck though, I really havn't paid any attention to Rodgers and the jets beyond that, so whats holding that offense back is a mystery to me.

we've never used Jones as NO did Kamara, so to say he was just as productive isn't exactly true.

I think your idea that Rodgers is toxic, only goes back to the last seasons with McCarthy, and hardly surfaced at all with Lafleur, why it is that you think a QB like Rodgers shouldn't have input with how the offense operates, that goes against logic, they all do, you act like Rodgers doesn't know this game, the guy reads defenses as well or better then most coaches

the blame is logical, if ya don't have the groceries then don't expect a meal on the table, our offenses hummed when Rodgers had skill position talent, and didn't when it was gone, and it's no more complicated then just that

The worst kept secret coming to fruition.

They could’ve used him last night. Instead of throwing the ball to Williams and having Devante as an option I think they win that game last night.

Jets be Jets, lol. I don't see how this really fixes their issues.

Acrobat wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2024 09:43

Jets be Jets, lol. I don't see how this really fixes their issues.

one more receiver that can muscle and fight to get open quick will help Rodgers deal with a porous OL, if ya can't fix the OL, a receiver like Tae is the next best thing

I despise this because IMO Rodgers doesn't deserve another year with Adams. I wanted to see Adams get a ring before he retires and solidify his HOF resumé. The dysfunctional Jets franchise and choke-artist Rodgers probably will not deliver one to him.

But it will help pad stats for Rodgers, who talks more about winning MVPs than he does winning SuperBowls. He will go down as a legend in NY if he gets the Jets to the playoffs, even as a 7-seed that loses their first game. Davante deserves better though.

Labrev wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2024 11:06

I despise this because IMO Rodgers doesn't deserve another year with Adams. I wanted to see Adams get a ring before he retires and solidify his HOF resumé. The dysfunctional Jets franchise and choke-artist Rodgers probably will not deliver one to him.

But it will help pad stats for Rodgers, who talks more about winning MVPs than he does winning SuperBowls. He will go down as a legend in NY if he gets the Jets to the playoffs, even as a 7-seed that loses their first game. Davante deserves better though.

Luckily for Davante, he likely only has to waste this season with the Jets, as his contract has essentially fake non-guaranteed last two years for up to $36.25M per year. So, at 32 he's likely cut and can chase a competitor for his twilight years. And AR will likely do his damnedest to make Davante get way better stats than he would've with the Raiders.

As for the Jets, throwing at minimum 3rd rounder and over 10M in cap for a player that doesn't fix the O's main issues in a year they're not competing for the SB seems more like a ticket-selling move than wisdom.

Acrobat wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2024 09:43

Jets be Jets, lol. I don't see how this really fixes their issues.

I think this fixes a lot of their issues. They had the same problem we did. It was Garrett Wilson and some really other had WRs that couldn’t separate.

$%@# this move though. I had Garrett Wilson in two leagues. This is going to kill his insane target share.