Packers Huddle

Brock Purdy will be found out. It is usually the case with a rookie 1st time starter that they can do really well at first. THEN comes the tape study by the opposing defenses.

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2022 15:10

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2022 14:05

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2022 13:48

We could spend all day between now and April talking about how we “coulda, shoulda, woulda” by not trading picks for higher picks. That really won’t help. The hindsight is usually a lot better than foresight.

That said, it was reasonable to believe that Savage would progress. And who wouldn’t want a Safety with that kind of speed? We haven’t had that since Nick Collins. And very few teams ever get that.

Bravo!

All of us can bitch about a bust here and a missed pick there and every once in a while we may have been right even before the pick. Every year, every team misses out on 250ish players. That doesn't mean we should complain about it every time one of those 250 does good things with their other team...

Just look at how many are laughing now about “Mr Relevant” after his Niners won and he outplayed Tom Brady. Yeah, it’s only one game. But you know some people are already jumping on the bandwagon with the “I told you so!”
:-)

The new TB!

The 49ers defense is an interesting example of a really good front 7 with just an OK backend.

NFL Live had a good segment on how Chargers covered Dolphins and it could be a blueprint for other defenses. They played man in a specific way. Too bad Barry is a moron.

Labrev wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2022 14:34

Yoop wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2022 13:09

I would have used our slot 30 and and 2021 2nd and 3rd to move up to get him and if that wasn't enough I'd have used the 1st rounder, hindsight being 20/20 I would have been justified to do that.

So, using hindsight, the pick we used to get our starting C and starting CB. Unless we got Douglas and Nixon in this alternative universe, our CB room would suck, which is what did us in in 2020 way more than a lack of WRs did.

Bigger issue, you'd likely have a lousy C. Weren't you complaining about how much the OL made Rodgers look bad, how do you think it would have looked without a high 2021 pick to get a C?

Using four high picks to get Justin Jefferson would have been outrageous.

the reason we lost in 2020 was because we dropped 7 passes, two very key drops, one was to Adams for a TD, and the other would have been one as well to either Lazard or Tonyan.

Ted went into rebuild the defense mode in 2015, and the offense went down hill ever since, it's why in my opinion building a defense is a act in futility, so many things have to go perfectly , first ya have to draft very well, then ya need a cord and a scheme that fits the players and matches up well to the competition, ours rarely came close to accomplishing that, hell we could have rebuilt this whole offense twice in that span of time.

you have NO IDEA how long it will take NO to be a competitive team again, and our pick and 2 seconds would have probably been all it would have cost to jump Minny for Jefferson, and it wasn't only Jefferson, over the last 6 years leading up to that draft there has been a bunch of receivers that would have helped this team, this has been one of the most mis managed situations in all of sports.

wallyuwl wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2022 16:09

NFL Live had a good segment on how Chargers covered Dolphins and it could be a blueprint for other defenses. They played man in a specific way. Too bad Barry is a moron.

Heard they played aggressive man on early downs and then mixed in 2 high zone on 3rd downs to keep Tua guessing. Basically expect man and have to adjust to zone in the fly.

Yoop wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2022 16:41

the reason we lost in 2020 was because we dropped 7 passes, two very key drops, one was to Adams for a TD, and the other would have been one as well to either Lazard or Tonyan.

I would argue Kevin King, Mike Pettine, the STs and Mennenga had as much to do with it, if not more.

WRs were generally doing more than enough to win every week, whereas the player, unit, and coaches above were weighing us down and even cost us a few games. They had an off-day which (partly) cost us the game that day. It's too bad, but it happens.

It would have been way smarter to trade up for a CB. We needed Eric Stokes that year more than we needed Jefftain Justinson.

you have NO IDEA how long it will take NO to be a competitive team again

Actually, I have some idea. Trading up for a luxury like Olave when they don't even have the foundational pieces to rebuild around gives me an idea of how hopeless their prospects are.

building a defense is a act in futility,

this has been one of the most mis managed situations in all of sports.

Oh lord, help.

We lost in 2020 and 2021 because Bakh got hurt and they decided to move Turner to LT. Especially last year when Nijman was playing good enough to keep the line intact. Not because of dropped passes.

Labrev wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2022 17:04

Yoop wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2022 16:41

the reason we lost in 2020 was because we dropped 7 passes, two very key drops, one was to Adams for a TD, and the other would have been one as well to either Lazard or Tonyan.

I would argue Kevin King, Mike Pettine, the STs and Mennenga had as much to do with it, if not more.

WRs were generally doing more than enough to win every week, whereas the player, unit, and coaches above were weighing us down and even cost us a few games. They had an off-day which (partly) cost us the game that day. It's too bad, but it happens.

It would have been way smarter to trade up for a CB. We needed Eric Stokes that year more than we needed Jefftain Justinson.

you have NO IDEA how long it will take NO to be a competitive team again

Actually, I have some idea. Trading up for a luxury like Olave when they don't even have the foundational pieces to rebuild around gives me an idea of how hopeless their prospects are.

building a defense is a act in futility,

this has been one of the most mis managed situations in all of sports.

Oh lord, help.

Olave isn't a luxury, not to any team, the first thing Thompson did was draft Greg Jennings after a losing season and getting rid of two OL men, the idea that you build the team,( OL,DL, whatever) sounds great, problem is they normally don't score points, and points matter, we have been short on point scorers

to be clear, this is less about Jefferson and more about this WR situation, since 2014 Rodgers has been expected to get by with Adams, a declining Nelson, Cobb, Cooks, Bennett, and a bunch of raw players that took years to groom up, most never really did, the routine of using a 2nd rounder on a receiver every other year or so produced some high scoring teams, carried the sins of weak defense and ST's, at least till the PO's, I never had a issue with drafting defense, hoping for better squads, but so many misses, and year after year, ya have to have better draft balance, and basically neglecting the WR position made it hard for us to score on tough defenses.


the better offenses in the league have 2 or 3 receivers that a defense has to build a plan to defend, also a RB and possibly TE as well, we do have the RB, and a emerging Watson the last 4 games, but thats about it.

If ta don't have the bullets, the gun don't shoot

packman114 wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2022 17:37

We lost in 2020 and 2021 because Bakh got hurt and they decided to move Turner to LT. Especially last year when Nijman was playing good enough to keep the line intact. Not because of dropped passes.

Was Bahk hurt in 2020, I remember moving Turner to LT last year? granted we lost by 17, but 2 drops for probably 14 points could have changed the outcome, plus there where 5 other drops, some surely for 1st downs, why anyone would think drive stalling drops or points off the board are less impactful then flopping the tackles, the tackles getting beat didn't cause those drops, those pass rushers didn't erase what would have been 14 points.

for the fact that yoop won again on sucking in a thread derail (lord knows I've fallen victim)


for the phrase after phrase that yoop has wrong.

Let's just move on guys. Nobody is going to convince yoop otherwise and we certainly know yoop won't have an argument that makes any sense.

Yoop wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2022 18:42

Olave isn't a luxury, not to any team, the first thing Thompson did was draft Greg Jennings

He drafted Jennings in Round 2, after trading DOWN from 36 (and passing on Chad Jackson, who was every Packer fan's Justin Jefferson that year) to 52, practically the opposite of what the Saints did.

And he traded down...

after a losing season and getting rid of two OL men,

... to replace the crappy starting OL from the previous year... with high draft picks at OL, like Daryn Colledge (who he took BEFORE Jennings, btw) and Jason Spitz.

the idea that you build the team,( OL,DL, whatever) sounds great, problem is they normally don't score points, and points matter, we have been short on point scorers

Hey yoop, remember when you were crying about how the OL was keeping Rodgers from making plays?

"Point scorers" can't score points if their OL can't run- or pass-block in the first place.

C'mon yoop this is Football 101.

go pak go wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2022 19:16

for the fact that yoop won again on sucking in a thread derail (lord knows I've fallen victim)


for the phrase after phrase that yoop has wrong.

Let's just move on guys. Nobody is going to convince yoop otherwise and we certainly know yoop won't have an argument that makes any sense.

Football 101, is not hanging your QB out to dry, weird that the entire football world agrees that the WR situation here in GB has been a &%$@ show for years except for several homers here in this forum

go pak go wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2022 19:16

for the fact that yoop won again on sucking in a thread derail (lord knows I've fallen victim)


for the phrase after phrase that yoop has wrong.

Let's just move on guys. Nobody is going to convince yoop otherwise and we certainly know yoop won't have an argument that makes any sense.

what doesn't make sense is not selecting a WR more ready to play then Amari Rodgers or the 3 stooges for over 7 years and using all the high picks on a defense that was never top 10.

Yoop wrote: ↑

13 Dec 2022 06:33

Football 101, is not hanging your QB out to dry,

Which you complained we were doing with bad OL play, now inexplicably act like OL is not on par with skills for importance because they... don't score points.

Weird that your own post history agrees with what I'm saying, until you randomly decide you want to die on the hill of a totally different opinion.

Amari actually had a nice game for Houston just a few days ago lol.

Makes you think....

Labrev wrote: ↑

13 Dec 2022 09:37

Yoop wrote: ↑

13 Dec 2022 06:33

Football 101, is not hanging your QB out to dry,

Which you complained we were doing with bad OL play, now inexplicably act like OL is not on par with skills for importance because they... don't score points.

Weird that your own post history agrees with what I'm saying, until you randomly decide you want to die on the hill of a totally different opinion.

never said ya don't need quality OL play, but imo ya don't need pro bowl talent there to be a good offense, first thing Ted did was dump the high priced guards and draft replacements, and add a couple receivers for Favre, and then another 3 in the next few years for Rodgers, cause thats what it takes to win in this league, building a great defense is a act in futility, minus a ton of top 15 picks it's doubtful it will ever be top 10, and if it should beat the odds and become that good, it has such a short shelf life it rarely lives up to that investment for long, soooooo, IMHO you do your do diligence and draft both sides of the ball, but with a preference for players that put points on the score board, Ted new that, then since 2015 he neglected to do that, and we've been losing PO games ever since.

for the last 3 to 4 years this defense has had all star talent, hows that worked out?

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2022 16:52

wallyuwl wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2022 16:09

NFL Live had a good segment on how Chargers covered Dolphins and it could be a blueprint for other defenses. They played man in a specific way. Too bad Barry is a moron.

Heard they played aggressive man on early downs and then mixed in 2 high zone on 3rd downs to keep Tua guessing. Basically expect man and have to adjust to zone in the fly.

And played inside leverage.

Labrev wrote: ↑

13 Dec 2022 09:38

Amari actually had a nice game for Houston just a few days ago lol.

Makes you think....

haha, our coaches suck, our QB sucks, players become stars as soon as they leave here, funny how that works in reverse to, we add the Smith bros and they become stars, Amos too, and Woodson years ago became DPOY, in reality it's do to a new system, coaches and atmosphere, players simply rededicate themselves for there new team