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which Cobb, the one who played banged up and struggled to separate, or the 2014 Cobb who separated to the tune of a 1300 yrd receiving season, Cobbs problem was he was always nursing injury, at 100% Cobb could separate in a phone booth, I'am guessing those that like Reed see some of the 2014 Cobb in him.
1) He was top 5 in this draft class in contested catch percentage
Todd McShaySTRENGTHS: Above-average speed on vertical patterns and as a returner … uses subtle hesitation to lull corners and create stride separation … cornerbacks have a tough time matching his foot quickness at the top of routes and his acceleration out of breaks … impressive hand strength at the catch point … surprisingly effective finisher on contested balls … maintains his focus through contact and when adjusting to throws away from his frame …
Lance ZeirleinReed was the most dynamic receiver at the Senior Bowl and continued to debunk theories of below-average speed by running a 4.45-second 40-yard dash at the combine. Reed's ability to accelerate off the line, beat press coverage and generate separation with savvy and quickness are what jump out on tape. He has above-average ball skills and is very dangerous after the catch.
Strengths
Highly competitive against bigger/stronger Ohio State corners in 2022.
Accelerates to his top speed in a hurry.
Keeps routes moving at an elevated tempo.
Good ball skills to track and time the deep throw.
Clever hands and positioning help carve out catch space.
Makes winning plays on back-shoulder throws.
Can be elusive when needed after the catch.
Has three career punt return touchdowns.
If you mean a RB body, rather than usage, I just don't see that at all. Deebo was/is like 20 pounds heavier than both Cobb and Reed--that's what makes him more like a RB in the slot, the thicker body. Reed and Cobb are basically the same height/weight (Cobb 191 at the combine, Reed 191 at his pro day), ran almost exactly the same speed (4.45 vs. 4.46). Deebo was 215 at the combine.Labrev wrote: ↑04 May 2023 08:11Cobb was a fine player in his prime, definitely wouldn't complain about having that guy again.
But him as a comp for Reed doesn't quite land. I can see some similarities, but Reed feels like a different mold of slot. I remember Cobb as being a bit lither and shiftier, whereas Reed looks like a fast RB playing receiver. He feels more like a Deebo Samuel to me.
Fair point.
We obviously don't for sure, and this isn't really the thread to get into a Love quality debate. But I do think it's fair to say that in the limited time we've seen of him, KC and Philly, there were some things I'd call "ball placement" issues more than accuracy issues; where the ball gets to the receiver but not in the ideal spot for an easy catch or YAC.
Cobb and Jennings imho where the two most ready to play WR's we've drafted the last 20 years, and Sherman let Jennings play, but McCarthy hardly let Cobb on the field as a rookie, I never understood that, he had almost a 1000 yrds his second year, one of my fav's tooYoHoChecko wrote: ↑04 May 2023 08:42lso, Cobb was my favorite Packers draft pick of all time and remains the only active player whose jersey I own (Reggie, Sharpe, Jennings, Woodson are the others), so I am a little defensive of Cobb. But for good reason. He was an awesome, clutch, impactful slot receiver for this team well into his second contract. And then he wasn't. But I think he is too often thought of as "Rodgers' buddy who stuck around making a small impact well past his prime" rather than "Bear killing, hail mary catching, clutch and dynamic slot man," which he was.
I don't like contestable catches at college.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑04 May 2023 07:501) He was top 5 in this draft class in contested catch percentage
2) He's a slot who separates
3) "Reminds me of Cobb" is not in any way a negative statement and it's so short-sighted to remember him that way. Cobb was a very important piece of this offense for like 5 years (2012-2017) who came through clutch on multiple occasions and made a Pro Bowl.
So I agree, I'm glad to have found a guy who can separate underneath and grab off-target, contested catches. This guy reminds me of Cobb, and I'm pretty stoked about it.
Dane Brugler:Todd McShaySTRENGTHS: Above-average speed on vertical patterns and as a returner … uses subtle hesitation to lull corners and create stride separation … cornerbacks have a tough time matching his foot quickness at the top of routes and his acceleration out of breaks … impressive hand strength at the catch point … surprisingly effective finisher on contested balls … maintains his focus through contact and when adjusting to throws away from his frame …Lance ZeirleinReed was the most dynamic receiver at the Senior Bowl and continued to debunk theories of below-average speed by running a 4.45-second 40-yard dash at the combine. Reed's ability to accelerate off the line, beat press coverage and generate separation with savvy and quickness are what jump out on tape. He has above-average ball skills and is very dangerous after the catch.Strengths
Highly competitive against bigger/stronger Ohio State corners in 2022.
Accelerates to his top speed in a hurry.
Keeps routes moving at an elevated tempo.
Good ball skills to track and time the deep throw.
Clever hands and positioning help carve out catch space.
Makes winning plays on back-shoulder throws.
Can be elusive when needed after the catch.
Has three career punt return touchdowns.
Just whatever is on YouTube.BF004 wrote: ↑04 May 2023 08:33Fair point.
Be interesting to see Love finally have a dedicated and competent gameplan for him. Don’t think he’s had that since 2019. Wonder how that can impact accuracy. Or just general progression over the last 4 years.
I’ve also seen you mention separation a few times. Curious how you are concluding that. Have access to all-22 film and watch that? Scouting reports your trust? Metrics? Or just if he looks open more often than not when targeted.
Those are all reports not only that he creates separation, but the specifics on how....YoHoChecko wrote: ↑04 May 2023 07:50
Dane Brugler:Todd McShaySTRENGTHS: uses subtle hesitation to lull corners and create stride separation … cornerbacks have a tough time matching his foot quickness at the top of routes and his acceleration out of breaksLance ZeirleinReed was the most dynamic receiver at the Senior Bowl. Reed's ability to accelerate off the line, beat press coverage and generate separation with savvy and quickness are what jump out on tape.Strengths
Accelerates to his top speed in a hurry.
Keeps routes moving at an elevated tempo.
Clever hands and positioning help carve out catch space.
bud fox wrote: ↑04 May 2023 14:07Sorry nearly forgot this scouting report I found on quick google because I know you like them -
NFL.com analyst Lance Zierlein
“Utility wideout with the ability to take snaps at multiple receiver positions while offering both kickoff and punt return talent. Reed looks smaller in many of his matchups, but he is rarely deterred by size. He’s too tight-hipped for stop-start routes on the tree, but he operates with good route speed and should improve his ability to separate with additional development and experience on the next level. His ball skills and feel for positioning on deep throws and jump balls are unquestioned. Limiting his focus drops on short and intermediate throws will be critical to becoming a long-term NFL contributor.”
This may be the problem. Most of YouTube is highlight reels. A guy who makes a lot of contested catches will see those show up in the highlights. Because--especially for a shorter guy--going up in traffic and reeling one in makes people go "wow!"
), I agree with those comparing him to Cobb, but I disagree with the characterization of both Cobb and of Reed as guys who can't separate and have small catch radiuses.Cobb could separate in the slot because it's easier for anyone to separate in the slot. He couldn't separate consistently on the boundary, even when he was healthy.Yoop wrote: ↑04 May 2023 07:41which Cobb, the one who played banged up and struggled to separate, or the 2014 Cobb who separated to the tune of a 1300 yrd receiving season, Cobbs problem was he was always nursing injury, at 100% Cobb could separate in a phone booth, I'am guessing those that like Reed see some of the 2014 Cobb in him.
I'll be there every day.
not sure why you would think that, slot is a high traffic area, often the slot receiver is double bracketed for the first 10 yrds on every route he runs, and Cobb was a seam buster, there was a graph with every route Cobb ran in that 1300 yrd seasons and % of routes run in each, and there where plenty in every route in our schemes.Captain_Ben wrote: ↑04 May 2023 16:05Cobb could separate in the slot because it's easier for anyone to separate in the slot. He couldn't separate consistently on the boundary, even when he was healthy.Yoop wrote: ↑04 May 2023 07:41which Cobb, the one who played banged up and struggled to separate, or the 2014 Cobb who separated to the tune of a 1300 yrd receiving season, Cobbs problem was he was always nursing injury, at 100% Cobb could separate in a phone booth, I'am guessing those that like Reed see some of the 2014 Cobb in him.