Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 08:39
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Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 08:48
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Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 08:50
so then it's safe to say, NO KD Toney awards for us
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 09:07
Guys this is important.
In preseason, people went NUTS about Love missing the crosser to Musgrave. Small sample sizes had people over-weighting every play. Careful evaluation showed that Love was using his feet and head to move the LB and open the window, then basically no-looking the throw. It missed. In preseason when it doesn't count.
He missed the throw in the preseason. But he hit it (albeit imperfectly) yesterday to Reed.
Same exact route and LB manipulation. Preseason was him practicing something he'd been working on. Regular season was him improving on the concept for a key completion
In preseason, people went NUTS about Love missing the crosser to Musgrave. Small sample sizes had people over-weighting every play. Careful evaluation showed that Love was using his feet and head to move the LB and open the window, then basically no-looking the throw. It missed. In preseason when it doesn't count.
He missed the throw in the preseason. But he hit it (albeit imperfectly) yesterday to Reed.
Same exact route and LB manipulation. Preseason was him practicing something he'd been working on. Regular season was him improving on the concept for a key completion
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 09:16
great catch by you, and ReedYoHoChecko wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023 09:07Guys this is important.
In preseason, people went NUTS about Love missing the crosser to Musgrave. Small sample sizes had people over-weighting every play. Careful evaluation showed that Love was using his feet and head to move the LB and open the window, then basically no-looking the throw. It missed. In preseason when it doesn't count.
He missed the throw in the preseason. But he hit it (albeit imperfectly) yesterday to Reed.
Same exact route and LB manipulation. Preseason was him practicing something he'd been working on. Regular season was him improving on the concept for a key completion
Love imo had a great game, off a bit on a couple throws, he was cool hand Luke all night though, even when the rush was starting to come free he didn't panic, and a few of his tight window throws where perfect.Love played up to my expectations, I had a feeling we would trounce the Bears and we did, happy with all facets of our team at this point.
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 10:10
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 10:11
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 10:22
Jordan Love gotta be NFC Offensive player of the week this week? Right?
Anyone else even in that convo?
Anyone else even in that convo?
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 10:22
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 10:25
everyone seemed to think Love would be different then AR, I see basically the same player, never made sense to me that he would be different, we also took the play clock under 5 clicks on almost every pass play, imo Lafleur is running almost exactly the same schemes with Love as he did Rodgers.
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 10:29
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 10:30
It's been my thought for a while that taking the play clock down was a result of MLF's philosophy, the youth we've had and recent injuries the past couple season at play making positions, and then AR's strengths.Yoop wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023 10:25everyone seemed to think Love would be different then AR, I see basically the same player, never made sense to me that he would be different, we also took the play clock under 5 clicks on almost every pass play, imo Lafleur is running almost exactly the same schemes with Love as he did Rodgers.
I swear I heard MLF say he wants to run effective plays, not a lot of plays a couple years ago. Get the ball back on defense and then use time and methodically move the ball and limit the number of plays. and though Rodgers is one of the best ever to diagnose a defense on the field as it's happening, I think he'd have rather run more plays not less. I think taking it down to 1 was him running MLF's scheme, not him going rogue and running Rodgers ball as so many have allulded to over the past few seasons.
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 10:32
Every QB in the league gets the vast majority of passes off in under 5 seconds. 5 seconds is an eternity and the normal time to throw is around 2.5-3 seconds.
We definitely saw an attempt at something we would NEVER have done with Aaron Rodgers. The true option play, that got stuffed, was doing something outside of what we would see with Rodgers. Other than that we didn't see any hero ball, but it is early and a small sample size in a game that got out of hand. So, we shall see.
https://www.nfl.com/videos/can-t-miss-p ... o-musgrave
Musgrave did it on the other play where he was overshot. Not sure why he is in the habit of turning around and not catching over the shoulder. It isn't like he is sitting down in a zone with a safety over the top. He had the sideline the entire time there.
We definitely saw an attempt at something we would NEVER have done with Aaron Rodgers. The true option play, that got stuffed, was doing something outside of what we would see with Rodgers. Other than that we didn't see any hero ball, but it is early and a small sample size in a game that got out of hand. So, we shall see.
https://www.nfl.com/videos/can-t-miss-p ... o-musgrave
Musgrave did it on the other play where he was overshot. Not sure why he is in the habit of turning around and not catching over the shoulder. It isn't like he is sitting down in a zone with a safety over the top. He had the sideline the entire time there.
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 10:39
same here, the advantages outweigh the disadvantages using up most of the play clock, specially when ya have a lead, I couldn't tell if I was watching Love or Rodgers last night.musclestang wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023 10:30It's been my thought for a while that taking the play clock down was a result of MLF's philosophy, the youth we've had and recent injuries the past couple season at play making positions, and then AR's strengths.Yoop wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023 10:25everyone seemed to think Love would be different then AR, I see basically the same player, never made sense to me that he would be different, we also took the play clock under 5 clicks on almost every pass play, imo Lafleur is running almost exactly the same schemes with Love as he did Rodgers.
I swear I heard MLF say he wants to run effective plays, not a lot of plays a couple years ago. Get the ball back on defense and then use time and methodically move the ball and limit the number of plays. and though Rodgers is one of the best ever to diagnose a defense on the field as it's happening, I think he'd have rather run more plays not less. I think taking it down to 1 was him running MLF's scheme, not him going rogue and running Rodgers ball as so many have allulded to over the past few seasons.
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 10:45
over shot???? the ball was under thrown for one, and he turned around because Love dropped the ball and he had no idea what Love was going to do with it, he simply got his feet tangled when turning around.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023 10:32Every QB in the league gets the vast majority of passes off in under 5 seconds. 5 seconds is an eternity and the normal time to throw is around 2.5-3 seconds.
We definitely saw an attempt at something we would NEVER have done with Aaron Rodgers. The true option play, that got stuffed, was doing something outside of what we would see with Rodgers. Other than that we didn't see any hero ball, but it is early and a small sample size in a game that got out of hand. So, we shall see.
https://www.nfl.com/videos/can-t-miss-p ... o-musgrave
Musgrave did it on the other play where he was overshot. Not sure why he is in the habit of turning around and not catching over the shoulder. It isn't like he is sitting down in a zone with a safety over the top. He had the sideline the entire time there.
I don't have all 22 or a camera view but I expect he didn't turn around till after Love dropped the ball
Love was at fault on that play for the reason it didn't become a TD imho.
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 10:46
I don't know if this game is much of a barometer to gauge whether or not it's MLF and his preferences. The Packers were playing with a lead the entire game, and a quite sizeable one in the second half. Of course the QB is gonna use every bit of the play clock to his advantage.
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 10:50
Yes, the other play it sailed over Musgrave's head when he turned wrong. Overshot.Yoop wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023 10:45over shot???? the ball was under thrown for one, and he turned around because Love dropped the ball and he had no idea what Love was going to do with it, he simply got his feet tangled when turning around.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023 10:32Every QB in the league gets the vast majority of passes off in under 5 seconds. 5 seconds is an eternity and the normal time to throw is around 2.5-3 seconds.
We definitely saw an attempt at something we would NEVER have done with Aaron Rodgers. The true option play, that got stuffed, was doing something outside of what we would see with Rodgers. Other than that we didn't see any hero ball, but it is early and a small sample size in a game that got out of hand. So, we shall see.
https://www.nfl.com/videos/can-t-miss-p ... o-musgrave
Musgrave did it on the other play where he was overshot. Not sure why he is in the habit of turning around and not catching over the shoulder. It isn't like he is sitting down in a zone with a safety over the top. He had the sideline the entire time there.
I don't have all 22 or a camera view but I expect he didn't turn around till after Love dropped the ball
Love was at fault on that play for the reason it didn't become a TD imho.
Of course Musgrave turned around after Love dropped the snap... he dropped the snap...
Hard to tell what would have happened if Musgrave kept running up the sideline.
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 10:50
Under thrown...?Yoop wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023 10:45over shot???? the ball was under thrown for one, and he turned around because Love dropped the ball and he had no idea what Love was going to do with it, he simply got his feet tangled when turning around.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023 10:32Every QB in the league gets the vast majority of passes off in under 5 seconds. 5 seconds is an eternity and the normal time to throw is around 2.5-3 seconds.
We definitely saw an attempt at something we would NEVER have done with Aaron Rodgers. The true option play, that got stuffed, was doing something outside of what we would see with Rodgers. Other than that we didn't see any hero ball, but it is early and a small sample size in a game that got out of hand. So, we shall see.
https://www.nfl.com/videos/can-t-miss-p ... o-musgrave
Musgrave did it on the other play where he was overshot. Not sure why he is in the habit of turning around and not catching over the shoulder. It isn't like he is sitting down in a zone with a safety over the top. He had the sideline the entire time there.
I don't have all 22 or a camera view but I expect he didn't turn around till after Love dropped the ball
Love was at fault on that play for the reason it didn't become a TD imho.
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 10:53
Yeah Musgrave was pulling a Jeff Janis yesterday by needing to turn around.
Not an instinctual thing we like to see at all. At least you could tell in his face that what he did on that play was stupid, even after he caught it.
Not an instinctual thing we like to see at all. At least you could tell in his face that what he did on that play was stupid, even after he caught it.
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 10:58
we will always do this with Lafleur, because he brought that here, every coach in that Shanahan tree do it, I tried to tell ya this 2 years ago when everyone complained (foolishly that it gave the advantage to the pass rusher) BSA and I think several others cleared that up.APB wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023 10:46I don't know if this game is much of a barometer to gauge whether or not it's MLF and his preferences. The Packers were playing with a lead the entire game, and a quite sizeable one in the second half. Of course the QB is gonna use every bit of the play clock to his advantage.
please explain to me how using less play clock translates to more efficient offense, the play clock has absolutely nothing to do with Game clock, so the time a offense uses on the play clock will be no different in either situation.