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[lupedafiasco]

The Eagles are in the Super Bowl right now because they didn’t build a roster like a bunch of pussies. They traded a 1st and a 2nd for AJ Brown. They traded up for Devonta Smith. They traded up for Jalen Carter.

If you want the Super Bowl you have to go and take it. We could easily use our next 2 first round picks on LVN and Jordan Morgan type players that give us no value. Or Stokes. Or Savage. Or getting Gary at pick 11 who is just a fine player.

Myles Garrett is you typical run of the mill blue chip player. We are talking about one of the top 5 non quarterback talents in the entire NFL.

[musclestang]

It's always the same story. There are a thousand ways to Rome. and I agree, Myles Garrett is a guy you want. He's a difference maker, he's a top talent at a premium game changing position and is worth a lot more than your average draft pick or player. BUT

There are always but's. Lots of team get aggressive in the draft and FA and they aren't in the Super Bowl. The Eagles built a dream team before, remember?

You have to hit on some picks, you have to bring in good players. That's it. They're available all over the draft, find them, get them and keep them healthy.

and I think the Eagles are where they are because of Saquon. Relying on him as the engine vs Hurts is a game changer.

[lupedafiasco]

It's always the same story. There are a thousand ways to Rome. and I agree, Myles Garrett is a guy you want. He's a difference maker, he's a top talent at a premium game changing position and is worth a lot more than your average draft pick or player. BUT

There are always but's. Lots of team get aggressive in the draft and FA and they aren't in the Super Bowl. The Eagles built a dream team before, remember?

You have to hit on some picks, you have to bring in good players. That's it. They're available all over the draft, find them, get them and keep them healthy.

and I think the Eagles are where they are because of Saquon. Relying on him as the engine vs Hurts is a game changer.

Saquan makes a difference for sure. Offensively he gets them going but the Eagles also gave the #1 defense. This isn’t their first trip to Rome as you put it either. The Eagles are in their 2nd trip to the SB in 3 years mostly because they’ve been aggressive in FA, player trades, and draft trades.

Accelerate change or lose. The way Gutenbumst has built this team hasn’t worked.

[Yoop]

It's always the same story. There are a thousand ways to Rome. and I agree, Myles Garrett is a guy you want. He's a difference maker, he's a top talent at a premium game changing position and is worth a lot more than your average draft pick or player. BUT

There are always but's. Lots of team get aggressive in the draft and FA and they aren't in the Super Bowl. The Eagles built a dream team before, remember?

You have to hit on some picks, you have to bring in good players. That's it. They're available all over the draft, find them, get them and keep them healthy.

and I think the Eagles are where they are because of Saquon. Relying on him as the engine vs Hurts is a game changer.

Saquan makes a difference for sure. Offensively he gets them going but the Eagles also gave the #1 defense. This isn’t their first trip to Rome as you put it either. The Eagles are in their 2nd trip to the SB in 3 years mostly because they’ve been aggressive in FA, player trades, and draft trades.

Accelerate change or lose. The way Gutenbumst has built this team hasn’t worked.

our receivers were hurt by Jacob's comments about our need for a legitimate #1 receiver, good, they all need a kick in the pants, but I took it as a call up to Guty to keep adding UFA or trades to improve our team, Jacobs mentioned Adams, but there are also other talented receivers available, same with a pass rusher, Garrett would be awesome, but there are others available too.

the draft obviously is the nucleus of team building, but a few greats scattered in IMHO is how a team goes from real good, to great.and wins during the playoffs.

[lupedafiasco]

I mean the WR thing is something everyone knows about and it’s the same conversation every year. The off-season gets here. We acknowledge we need better Wars. Then when Gutenbumst does very little to fix the position and Packers fans say something weird to cope with it like, “I’d rather have 4 #2s than a #1.”

[Yoop]

I mean the WR thing is something everyone knows about and it’s the same conversation every year. The off-season gets here. We acknowledge we need better Wars. Then when Gutenbumst does very little to fix the position and Packers fans say something weird to cope with it like, “I’d rather have 4 #2s than a #1.”

fans tend to be middle ground, they know there needs to be an improvement, but they also want to show loyalty to the FO and coaches, IMO that has limits, and finally, we hear from Guty that there needs to be a feeling of urgency, from players ( Jacobs) that additions are needed

I read that Gary played a whopping 129 snaps, if true, why did Hafely or MLF allow that insanity to prevail, our best rusher getting only 29% of the defensive snaps, Robovich should have been canned by mid season, IMO screw ups like that instill the feeling of mediocrity is acceptable here, now we hear Reed, and Wicks crying for being called out for the underachieving production, Kraft nailed it, we need to develop a culture that mediocre play is not acceptable, and that our window to win is now open, and we need stud talent to get us through it.

[Pckfn23]

Steelers traded for Preston Smith and Mike Williams - Didn't make the Super Bowl
Commanders traded for Marshon Lattimore - Didn't make the Super Bowl
Ravens traded for Tre'Davious White and Diontae Johnson - Didn't make the Super Bowl
Lions traded for Za'Darius Smith - Didn't make the Super Bowl

Chiefs made no appreciable trades with Hopkins not even starting 5 of the last 6 games and a total of 1 reception in the playoffs and Uche getting only 87 snaps in total - Made the Super Bowl
The Eagles traded for no player during the 2024 season - Made the Super Bowl (Eagles traded for a player in many years)

Trades aren't the end all be all to getting to the Super Bowl.

[wallyuwl]

30 out of 32 teams don't make the SB every year.

[Yoop]

Steelers traded for Preston Smith and Mike Williams - Didn't make the Super Bowl
Commanders traded for Marshon Lattimore - Didn't make the Super Bowl
Ravens traded for Tre'Davious White and Diontae Johnson - Didn't make the Super Bowl
Lions traded for Za'Darius Smith - Didn't make the Super Bowl

Chiefs made no appreciable trades with Hopkins not even starting 5 of the last 6 games and a total of 1 reception in the playoffs and Uche getting only 87 snaps in total - Made the Super Bowl
The Eagles traded for no player during the 2024 season - Made the Super Bowl (Eagles traded for a player in many years)

Trades aren't the end all be all to getting to the Super Bowl.

maybe so, but it does show that teams try, and we did add vets last year, and those two vets were a big reason we even made the PO's, same with Philly, KC and every other team you mentioned, so adding players and not winning isn't always the end of it, it does improve the odds of future success.

[Pckfn23]

Steelers traded for Preston Smith and Mike Williams - Didn't make the Super Bowl
Commanders traded for Marshon Lattimore - Didn't make the Super Bowl
Ravens traded for Tre'Davious White and Diontae Johnson - Didn't make the Super Bowl
Lions traded for Za'Darius Smith - Didn't make the Super Bowl

Chiefs made no appreciable trades with Hopkins not even starting 5 of the last 6 games and a total of 1 reception in the playoffs and Uche getting only 87 snaps in total - Made the Super Bowl
The Eagles traded for no player during the 2024 season - Made the Super Bowl (Eagles traded for a player in many years)

Trades aren't the end all be all to getting to the Super Bowl.

maybe so, but it does show that teams try, and we did add vets last year, and those two vets were a big reason we even made the PO's, same with Philly, KC and every other team you mentioned, so adding players and not winning isn't always the end of it, it does improve the odds of future success.

It may improve future success, it may not. Examples both ways. It just can't be said that making player trades or draft day trades or free agent adds is the way a team makes the Super Bowl. There just is not a player acquisition formula that is the standard.

The biggest thing is hitting on those additions whether it is free agent adds, trades, or draft picks.

[Yoop]

30 out of 32 teams don't make the SB every year.

that's the thing, the success rate is so low, why try, that's the smell in Lambeau right now, even Guty said we have to develop a attitude of urgency, that to me means players and coaches need to work harder, Kraft called it a culture issue, our coach calls it playing complementary football, a completely new term to me, whatever, as a team we underachieved imho.

[musclestang]

Saquan makes a difference for sure. Offensively he gets them going but the Eagles also gave the #1 defense. This isn’t their first trip to Rome as you put it either. The Eagles are in their 2nd trip to the SB in 3 years mostly because they’ve been aggressive in FA, player trades, and draft trades.

Accelerate change or lose. The way Gutenbumst has built this team hasn’t worked.

I get it, but just take our team, Watson is an absolute difference maker when he's on the field. it opens up everything and he's not even a polished receiver. But he can't stay healthy at all. If we trade for AJ Brown or similar and he can't stay on the field, we're not in the super bowl then either.

I don't really have a problem with "how", but it's obvious some of the picks haven't not panned out. I thought Van Ness was a pretty decent pick, but he hasn't seemed to advance at all. he has the traits. I never have a problem with upgrading the Oline, we needed 3 upgrades heading into this season. Spent a high pick who didn't play at all really and ended on IR. I have no idea what he's going to be. Let's say we sign a premium LT to a FA contract and he sits in the training room all year, so what.

We need to hit on a couple players again no matter how we did it. It's not like Gute hasn't been moving around on draft days and very active. They've guessed wrong a couple times and it hurts. So be more aggressive this year and miss on the draft pick, it doesn't put us closer. FA's have definitely helped. Hasn't really missed much on those.

[Pckfn23]

30 out of 32 teams don't make the SB every year.

that's the thing, the success rate is so low, why try, that's the smell in Lambeau right now,

Why is that the "smell" right now?

[Yoop]

Steelers traded for Preston Smith and Mike Williams - Didn't make the Super Bowl
Commanders traded for Marshon Lattimore - Didn't make the Super Bowl
Ravens traded for Tre'Davious White and Diontae Johnson - Didn't make the Super Bowl
Lions traded for Za'Darius Smith - Didn't make the Super Bowl

Chiefs made no appreciable trades with Hopkins not even starting 5 of the last 6 games and a total of 1 reception in the playoffs and Uche getting only 87 snaps in total - Made the Super Bowl
The Eagles traded for no player during the 2024 season - Made the Super Bowl (Eagles traded for a player in many years)

Trades aren't the end all be all to getting to the Super Bowl.

maybe so, but it does show that teams try, and we did add vets last year, and those two vets were a big reason we even made the PO's, same with Philly, KC and every other team you mentioned, so adding players and not winning isn't always the end of it, it does improve the odds of future success.

It may improve future success, it may not. Examples both ways.

The biggest thing is hitting on those additions whether it is free agent adds, trades, or draft picks.

of course, but our first round picks suck, so bundle them and go after safe players, like a Garrett, or Adams, or a Jacobs or McKInney as we did last season, there are a half dozen receivers that will out produce what we had last year, and as critical as pass rush has become we need one of those too

[wallyuwl]

Saquan makes a difference for sure. Offensively he gets them going but the Eagles also gave the #1 defense. This isn’t their first trip to Rome as you put it either. The Eagles are in their 2nd trip to the SB in 3 years mostly because they’ve been aggressive in FA, player trades, and draft trades.

Accelerate change or lose. The way Gutenbumst has built this team hasn’t worked.

I get it, but just take our team, Watson is an absolute difference maker when he's on the field. it opens up everything and he's not even a polished receiver. But he can't stay healthy at all. If we trade for AJ Brown or similar and he can't stay on the field, we're not in the super bowl then either.

I don't think Watson scares defenses like he used to. After he had his breakout stretch in 2022, defenses keyed on him. Since then he seems to have regressed (even prior to the injury, which will likely keep him out until at least Halloween and even then he won't be anywhere near his old self physically until 2026 season). After that stretch in 2022 defenses were always concerned about the "what if" he gets behind them. With all the drops, and Love being shown to not be a very good deep ball QB, that threat is mostly gone and irrelevant. Again, this was even before the injury.

[lupedafiasco]

We have to stop this talk about Watson being some great player when he’s on the field. He is not a difference maker. He’s just fast. He impacts the offense the same way MVS did when he was here. That doesn’t make him a good player. The guy played in 15 games this year and still came away with just 29 catches. He’s proven he can run fast and that’s about it. He’s doesnt score TDs, he doesn’t move the chains, he’s just a big decoy which is great and all but at some point you need to come away with more than what we have gotten out of him.

Even if Watson was healthy going into this season I don’t think it would change a thing about how we need to massively upgrade our WRs.

[Pckfn23]

maybe so, but it does show that teams try, and we did add vets last year, and those two vets were a big reason we even made the PO's, same with Philly, KC and every other team you mentioned, so adding players and not winning isn't always the end of it, it does improve the odds of future success.

It may improve future success, it may not. Examples both ways.

The biggest thing is hitting on those additions whether it is free agent adds, trades, or draft picks.

of course, but our first round picks suck, so bundle them and go after safe players, like a Garrett, or Adams, or a Jacobs or McKInney as we did last season, there are a half dozen receivers that will out produce what we had last year, and as critical as pass rush has become we need one of those two

Of course we need to hit on our first round picks more. That wasn't the debate.

There are no safe players to go after in trades, free agency, or the draft. It doesn't doesn't exist like it does in other sports. There are no sure things in the NFL. You can always find an example where it worked, but can also find just as many examples where it didn't work. So we cant just say if we would have made a player trade at the deadline we would have made it.

[Pckfn23]

There is a lot of revisionist history when it comes to our WR room. I don't know of a single poster here that wasn't optimistic about our receiver room going into the season. It didn't work out. We now need to find answers.

[Labrev]

Announcing the trade on Draft Night would be sick. But I think keeping it under wraps for that long would be impossible.

I think a trade of:

2025 2nd Rounder
2026 1st Rounder
Kingsley Enegbare or Lukas Van Ness might be sufficient. Enegbare is the cheaper option for the Browns.

That's probably right, the rumors start, are spread, and ya lose the surprise factor, but who cares, surely not this fan, Garrett would be a hard pass for me, but I think it'll take 2 first and a LVN as that SI article I read said, and it would be worth it according to them, we pick late first, so our 2 first have less value than other teams in the mix, so a higher value player in return is also in play, a lot to give up, but our first haven't been that great anyway

I get nervous when talking 2 1st rounders plus because that is just so many eggs in one basket.

Myles goes down with a torn achilles and you suddenly throw 3 years of potential franchise shots away. I would love, love, love to get Garret. But there are also other ways to improve our team. We have plenty of options.

We have a ton of cash and 8 draft picks. We have 46 legit players on the roster already. Sign the kicker and it's 47. I think we can sign two key free agents and then you really just need 2 good players in the draft. Everything else is just fighting for a roster spot.

I think this draft could be a potential of trading up to get a real player if one of the higher end guys falls. I'm keeping my eye on Mykel Williams as an example. Dude is an absolute freak monster.

That scenario can happen regardless. We found a HOF-caliber LT in Bakhtiari, gave him the bag just as we were gearing up to make a SB push.... then he goes down with an unusually bad ACL tear (normally can come back after about year, but this one basically ends his career). We weren't wrong in our decision, it was just terrible luck.

With a guy like Tee Higgins who has been hurt a lot, that's a legit consideration. Otherwise, there's no accounting for bad luck. You still need those elite guys if you want to win it all, even if it means putting almost all your eggs in that basket. You need your stars to play like stars when it counts, and for them be available then, too. It's not like we were doing so much better before.

And frankly, trading for him is worth it almost solely to make sure you don't have to play against him. It is better to trade to get him and he goes down with injury, than if he lands up with a conference rival, stays healthy and dominant, and then his team beats us in key games that cost us titles.

[Yoop]

There is a lot of revisionist history when it comes to our WR room. I don't know of a single poster here that wasn't optimistic about our receiver room going into the season. It didn't work out. We now need to find answers.

optimism is the result of prior success, it falters when players regress, and regression can be outside of the players control, defenses watch film, they study tendencies, how do I stop this or that receiver, it starts at the los, all a defender has to do to limit a receiver is ruin route timing, will this group of 3rd year WR get better, that's as much in doubt as you saying most UFA or trades don't work out.

how many years do you want to wait for talent to develop? it is one of the reasons we are going on 15 years minus another SB, most seasons we are almost good enough, wanna play horse shoes