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There are limited videos of Lazard and all of Packers.com won't load. That said, it isn't about the cut and reaction, it is about Beathea running behind Lazard trying to catchup, which he was not catching up, AS I SAID... I posted 2 videos as well, did you miss the first?YoHoChecko wrote: ↑26 Mar 2020 12:24Honestly, 23? You're going with a snow game to show a player getting open? We all know offenses have a HUGE advantage in snow, knowing where they're going while defenders react.
I think he plays like a guy at about 4.5 as well. That's not a detriment to a WR. I can't say if ESB plays faster or slower than his timed 40, he hasn't really played... Adams is very technically sound and has picked up the tricks of the trade.You're not wrong that Lazard seems to have picked up a little speed while losing weight... I think he plays like a guy in the 4.5s, which is what he ran. I think Adams plays far faster than his time in the 4.5s which is what he ran. I think EQSB plays a bit slower than a 4.48, and is more like Lazard--at least in the short-to-intermediate range.
But saying he's "not fast" and "doesn't play faster than his time" is a perfectly acceptable take. And using a snow-drenched field to illustrate that is pretty weak.
high 4.5's basically is 4.6 plus in pads, lis, and Yoho just confirmed if he and Adams clock the same someone needs a new clock, you can defend Lazard till hell freezes over, he is still on most routes easily single covered, only his catch radius allows him to win, so again, why do we want a guy like that as our number two? you argue simply for the sack of arguingPckfn23 wrote: ↑26 Mar 2020 12:34There are limited videos of Lazard and all of Packers.com won't load. That said, it isn't about the cut and reaction, it is about Beathea running behind Lazard trying to catchup, which he was not catching up, AS I SAID...YoHoChecko wrote: ↑26 Mar 2020 12:24Honestly, 23? You're going with a snow game to show a player getting open? We all know offenses have a HUGE advantage in snow, knowing where they're going while defenders react.
I think he plays like a guy at about 4.5 as well. That's not a detriment to a WR.You're not wrong that Lazard seems to have picked up a little speed while losing weight... I think he plays like a guy in the 4.5s, which is what he ran. I think Adams plays far faster than his time in the 4.5s which is what he ran. I think EQSB plays a bit slower than a 4.48, and is more like Lazard--at least in the short-to-intermediate range.
But saying he's "not fast" and "doesn't play faster than his time" is a perfectly acceptable take. And using a snow-drenched field to illustrate that is pretty weak.
No, it is not acceptable to say he doesn't play as fast as his time without any proof what so ever. It's lazy, just like it's lazy to watch a video and not read the description of what someone is trying to point out.
Lazard ran a 4.55, not basically a 4.6. And yes EVERYONE goes from no pads to pads, so that point is absolutely pointless.Yoop wrote: ↑26 Mar 2020 12:44high 4.5's basically is 4.6 plus in pads, lis, and Yoho just confirmed if he and Adams clock the same someone needs a new clock, you can defend Lazard till hell freezes over, he is still on most routes easily single covered, only his catch radius allows him to win, so again, why do we want a guy like that as our number two? you argue simply for the sack of arguingPckfn23 wrote: ↑26 Mar 2020 12:34There are limited videos of Lazard and all of Packers.com won't load. That said, it isn't about the cut and reaction, it is about Beathea running behind Lazard trying to catchup, which he was not catching up, AS I SAID...YoHoChecko wrote: ↑26 Mar 2020 12:24Honestly, 23? You're going with a snow game to show a player getting open? We all know offenses have a HUGE advantage in snow, knowing where they're going while defenders react.
I think he plays like a guy at about 4.5 as well. That's not a detriment to a WR.You're not wrong that Lazard seems to have picked up a little speed while losing weight... I think he plays like a guy in the 4.5s, which is what he ran. I think Adams plays far faster than his time in the 4.5s which is what he ran. I think EQSB plays a bit slower than a 4.48, and is more like Lazard--at least in the short-to-intermediate range.
But saying he's "not fast" and "doesn't play faster than his time" is a perfectly acceptable take. And using a snow-drenched field to illustrate that is pretty weak.
No, it is not acceptable to say he doesn't play as fast as his time without any proof what so ever. It's lazy, just like it's lazy to watch a video and not read the description of what someone is trying to point out.
ya I'am 72 and a bit to lazy to go digging up anything to argue with you.
So we talking decent WR in like 2 or 3 years after he gets some serious development under his belt, or you want him to be WR2 in the 2020 season with our aging QB?Pckfn23 wrote: ↑26 Mar 2020 12:53Lazard ran a 4.55, not basically a 4.6. And yes EVERYONE goes from no pads to pads, so that point is absolutely pointless.Yoop wrote: ↑26 Mar 2020 12:44high 4.5's basically is 4.6 plus in pads, lis, and Yoho just confirmed if he and Adams clock the same someone needs a new clock, you can defend Lazard till hell freezes over, he is still on most routes easily single covered, only his catch radius allows him to win, so again, why do we want a guy like that as our number two? you argue simply for the sack of arguingPckfn23 wrote: ↑26 Mar 2020 12:34
There are limited videos of Lazard and all of Packers.com won't load. That said, it isn't about the cut and reaction, it is about Beathea running behind Lazard trying to catchup, which he was not catching up, AS I SAID...
I think he plays like a guy at about 4.5 as well. That's not a detriment to a WR.
No, it is not acceptable to say he doesn't play as fast as his time without any proof what so ever. It's lazy, just like it's lazy to watch a video and not read the description of what someone is trying to point out.
ya I'am 72 and a bit to lazy to go digging up anything to argue with you.
Yoho didn't confirm anything. He said Adams looks like he plays faster. I agree because Adams is very sound in his game and has picked up the little things that make the game faster. It looks like Lazard plays up to his post 40 time if not a bit faster. He's got somethings to improve upon however.
Please knock off accusing other of arguing for the sake of arguing. That is complete nonsense and there is zero need to say it. Yet another thing you are bring other that needs to stay in the old forum. I am not arguing for the sake of arguing, I am making that case that Lazard can be a decent #2 receiver if he continues to progress. Nothing else, so knock it off.
If there isn't evidence to support what is said, then one should not expect to be taken seriously.
There is a perception that if a WR doesn't sun 4.45 or better that he too is slow to be good. Everyone wants them to run faster because it helps, but it is not necessary. There was a tweet that went around a few months ago that listed the top 10 WRs in the league and their 40 time. Basically there was no correlation (outside of running better than a 4.7). Take these two guys for example: Michael Thomas and Antonio Brown. Both ran a 4.57 at the combine. While a limited study did find 4.48 is the average for a receiver and thus you could say Lazard, Thomas, Brown are all slow for NFL WRs, it doesn't mean a heck of a lot (as you pointed out).
I would love that too! Draft a WR in this draft that takes over the #2 spot and pushes Lazard to a #3 would be a dream scenario to me.
Yeah i see it as an important tool in a WRs bag, but just one tool of many. I dont think he has the tool, but that DOES NOT mean he is not capable of success as an nfl WR.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑26 Mar 2020 12:59There is a perception that if a WR doesn't sun 4.45 or better that he too is slow to be good. Everyone wants them to run faster because it helps, but it is not necessary. There was a tweet that went around a few months ago that listed the top 10 WRs in the league and their 40 time. Basically there was no correlation (outside of running better than a 4.7). Take these two guys for example: Michael Thomas and Antonio Brown. Both ran a 4.57 at the combine. While a limited study did find 4.48 is the average for a receiver and thus you could say Lazard, Thomas, Brown are all slow for NFL WRs, it doesn't mean a heck of a lot (as you pointed out).
lis, He does not play fast, and he bobbles balls thrown to him, when you watch him there isn't anything fast to see, and just because Beathea played him poorly and lost the leverage out of the break doesn't make Lazard fast, it makes him lucky, the point is this, Lazard does not make our passing game better because he will not draw double coverage, he will not make it easier for other receivers, so for him to be our #2 is basically status quo to last year.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑26 Mar 2020 12:53Lazard ran a 4.55, not basically a 4.6. And yes EVERYONE goes from no pads to pads, so that point is absolutely pointless.Yoop wrote: ↑26 Mar 2020 12:44high 4.5's basically is 4.6 plus in pads, lis, and Yoho just confirmed if he and Adams clock the same someone needs a new clock, you can defend Lazard till hell freezes over, he is still on most routes easily single covered, only his catch radius allows him to win, so again, why do we want a guy like that as our number two? you argue simply for the sack of arguingPckfn23 wrote: ↑26 Mar 2020 12:34
There are limited videos of Lazard and all of Packers.com won't load. That said, it isn't about the cut and reaction, it is about Beathea running behind Lazard trying to catchup, which he was not catching up, AS I SAID...
I think he plays like a guy at about 4.5 as well. That's not a detriment to a WR.
No, it is not acceptable to say he doesn't play as fast as his time without any proof what so ever. It's lazy, just like it's lazy to watch a video and not read the description of what someone is trying to point out.
ya I'am 72 and a bit to lazy to go digging up anything to argue with you.
Yoho didn't confirm anything. He said Adams looks like he plays faster. I agree because Adams is very sound in his game and has picked up the little things that make the game faster. It looks like Lazard plays up to his post 40 time if not a bit faster. He's got some things to improve upon, however.
Please knock off accusing others of arguing for the sake of arguing. That is complete nonsense and there is zero need to say it. Yet another thing you are bringing other that needs to stay in the old forum. I am not arguing for the sake of arguing, I am making that case that Lazard can be a decent #2 receiver if he continues to progress. Nothing else, so knock it off.
If there isn't evidence to support what is said, then one should not expect to be taken seriously.
I agree, he's adequate as a #3 or 4 receiver.
