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Re: Ghost's Crystal Ball and AR
Posted: 03 May 2021 08:54
by Yoop
APB wrote: ↑03 May 2021 07:39
Guarantee his contract and playing/starting status? And then let him walk as a FA so that he may go wherever he pleases?
I’m sorry. That makes zero sense from a GMs point of view. You cannot cater to a single player like that. Not only does it lead to the same type of toxic locker room atmosphere as when Favre was in GB but it goes against every GM principle of team building. I’d be calling for the GMs head were he to simply allow a player of great value to walk out the door without compensation. Like it or not, Rodgers is a commodity not unlike every other player on the team.
The thing that bothers me in this...Football is about competing. Rodgers makes the claim all the time he loves to compete. So why the rub over Love? If he’s so supremely talented and confident in his abilities, why all the drama over a pick that he, himself, can keep at bay through his play? Why the draft day leaks and cryptic messaging through agents and media? It all comes across as chicken &%$@ to me.
Rodgers wants contractual and position security not afforded to any other player. Rodgers doesn’t want to have to compete for his position. Rodgers wants the freedom to choose when, where and how his departure will happen. Rodgers wants a voice in who the team acquires (and walks away from) in FA and the draft.
Does that about sum it up for his royal highness?
Rodgers simply wants to finish his contract, this idea that Guty should be allowed to trade him for compensation a year or two prior is what is wrong with sports, the contract works both ways, it protects the team and the player from exactly what you propose, why should a team have the right to use a player as a bargaining chip, they do multi year contracts hoping to get a bargain, the player does it for security, there is no security though when a Team trades you prior to the end of it for draft capitol.
plus your idea of Love beating out Rodgers is wishful thinking, whats likely is the only reason Love ever playing here with Rodgers on board would be do to injury
NE let Brady play out his contract, same with NO and Bree's, all Rodgers wanted when this started was to be able to do the same.
Re: Ghost's Crystal Ball and AR
Posted: 03 May 2021 09:03
by go pak go
Yoop wrote: ↑03 May 2021 08:54
Rodgers simply wants to finish his contract,
If he did, then he wouldn't have declined a restructure which would have assuredly guaranteed he remain a Packer for the remaining of his contract.
That theory just doesn't make sense based on the information we know.
Re: Ghost's Crystal Ball and AR
Posted: 03 May 2021 09:06
by Yoop
go pak go wrote: ↑03 May 2021 08:47
Yoop wrote: ↑03 May 2021 08:29
go pak go wrote: ↑03 May 2021 08:11
Okay. I understand that it would have been nice if they reached out to Aaron while he was on the Pat McAfee show on Draft saying "hey Love is falling and we feel we may need to make a move in that direction if the last WR's fall off the board here".
It certainly is an easy way to bash management because we can say, "they didn't even do that!"
But let's put yourself in Rodgers shoes. If you receive a text or call saying, "just a heads up, this may happen"...is your life materially changed or different? Or do you still wake up the next morning and find your reality is exactly the same. You have a developmental backup on the team who is a low first round selection, you are under contract for 4 more seasons with 3 of them being essentially guaranteed and the final year being a dummy season (which you agreed to when you signed).
My guess is if Rodgers did hear a heads up of what was about to happen, he wouldn't be any less peeved than he is today. He's probably actually happier he didn't get a heads up because it just gives him more ammo to justify why the Packers did him wrong.
I was told by APB to give this a rest yesterday, but you are far worse then me, you make up all these little scenarios of stuff you pull right out of your ass, that are worse then the supposition media is spilling, FFS the time to get Aaron on board with anything Guty wanted to do was long before the draft even started.
Guty was hard nosing Rodgers back then and did so just a month or so back, offering nothing, now with the rise in temperature he's spouting stuff that very likely didn't happen such as I always welcomed Aarons input, your so quick to paint Rodgers like a snivling little brat, you over look the obvious, Guty wanted to placate Rodgers till Love is ready to play, then trade him, save some contract money and get as much compensation as possible with a trade, this is not near as complicated to figure out as long as you don't make3 up stuff to strengthen your point of view.
Completely irrelevant to my post. I don't know what you're spouting about based on what I said. Literally mentioned nothing about Rodgers being a spoiled brat in my post. Instead discussed that notifying a player beforehand wouldn't materially change the situation. But yes. I can agree that the Packers should improve its "soft skills" when dealing with employees.
But as far as the contract stuff...I mean I know I would certainly entertain the idea of trading Rodgers going into 2023 because it met a good timeline and we could potentially be compensated well for it. A lot of people on this forum did. But I guess you open that door when you allow the team to have a dummy contract year in that final season. That is the price you pay when you allow the team to look out for their best interest when setting up a dummy year in your contract.
Negotiation is give and take. The team wanted a dummy year. Rodgers could have said "no to dummy year" and the team could have then given less guaranteed money or overall contract value reducing cap hit each year while Rodgers played.
That's why I don't have that much sympathy for Rodgers. He is complaining about a contract that he agreed to and signed and overall made him a very, very rich man that he and his agent should have had months if not years of due diligence on that contract before signing.
you should have been a lawyer, there is no such thing as a dummy year in a contract, thats teams talk for we want to be able to trade you and recoup some value, as though there play wasn't valuable enough, Rodgers signed a 4 year contract extension, not a 3 year one, and was fully willing to play to completion of it.
If the Packers intend to let him then it was and is upon them to show so with a guarantee of some sort to prove it, and not some word of mouth Promise, it's beyond obvious that Rodgers doesn't trust there word of mouth.
Re: Ghost's Crystal Ball and AR
Posted: 03 May 2021 09:08
by Yoop
go pak go wrote: ↑03 May 2021 09:03
Yoop wrote: ↑03 May 2021 08:54
Rodgers simply wants to finish his contract,
If he did, then he wouldn't have declined a restructure which would have assuredly guaranteed he remain a Packer for the remaining of his contract.
That theory just doesn't make sense based on the information we know.
what information is that, the restructure says nothing to do with letting him finish his contract as a Packer, or even a starter status, quit making stuff up
Re: Ghost's Crystal Ball and AR
Posted: 03 May 2021 09:11
by go pak go
Yoop wrote: ↑03 May 2021 09:06
you should have been a lawyer, there is no such thing as a dummy year in a contract, thats teams talk for we want to be able to trade you and recoup some value, as though there play wasn't valuable enough, Rodgers signed a 4 year contract extension, not a 3 year one, and was fully willing to play to completion of it.
If the Packers intend to let him then it was and is upon them to show so with a guarantee of some sort to prove it, and not some word of mouth Promise, it's beyond obvious that Rodgers doesn't trust there word of mouth.
I mean I read a lot of contracts and help negotiate contracts in my professional career.
But this is a dummy year. His contract was set up so the team could have an easy out the final year of his contract whether it was because Aaron stunk, Packers wanted to trade, cut or he retires and the Packers wouldn't be on the hook.
Doesn't mean the Packers had the intent at time of signing of "oh we are gonna trade him in 2023" but it brought the Packers risk to 0 in 2023 but still get to retain his rights as a player for free in 2023. That was completely and intentionally designed by the Packers.
And Rodgers and his agent absolutely knew about it. Because we on this forum even noticed it immediately as we all talked about time of signing how good it was for the Packers to have this final season be set up as a no risk to the Packers.
If I could read it by looking at Spotrac in 2018, I sure hope his agent could read it at that time as well. If Rodgers wanted a full guaranteed contract, he could have gotten it. Kirk Cousins got one that year and I think Rodgers is a bit higher caliber than Cousins.
Re: Ghost's Crystal Ball and AR
Posted: 03 May 2021 09:15
by go pak go
Yoop wrote: ↑03 May 2021 09:08
go pak go wrote: ↑03 May 2021 09:03
Yoop wrote: ↑03 May 2021 08:54
Rodgers simply wants to finish his contract,
If he did, then he wouldn't have declined a restructure which would have assuredly guaranteed he remain a Packer for the remaining of his contract.
That theory just doesn't make sense based on the information we know.
what information is that, the restructure says nothing to do with letting him finish his contract as a Packer, or even a starter status, quit making stuff up
If you aren't willing to get to the basic level of accepting that a restructure, which would defer cap money to future years and provide a higher cost to the Packers of moving on from Rodgers while under contract (essentially guaranteeing the contract from the Packers perspective), then I can't help you and I am not willing to continue to trying to have a level-headed conversation with you.
And contract absolutely means sh*t when it comes to starter status. That isn't a contract negotiation. That is a head coach decision.
Re: Ghost's Crystal Ball and AR
Posted: 03 May 2021 09:30
by TheSkeptic
Yoop wrote: ↑03 May 2021 08:29
go pak go wrote: ↑03 May 2021 08:11
bud fox wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021 19:43
Agreed
But when you play in a single slot position and have been the face of a franchise for years, no mention of retiring and told you are the player still and for the future ... It would make sense for the team to give you a heads up they are drafting your position using the most valuable draft stock they have prior to the media storm coming your way.
Was just dumb by the team ... High fives on camera ... Dumb and lacking experience
Okay. I understand that it would have been nice if they reached out to Aaron while he was on the Pat McAfee show on Draft saying "hey Love is falling and we feel we may need to make a move in that direction if the last WR's fall off the board here".
It certainly is an easy way to bash management because we can say, "they didn't even do that!"
But let's put yourself in Rodgers shoes. If you receive a text or call saying, "just a heads up, this may happen"...is your life materially changed or different? Or do you still wake up the next morning and find your reality is exactly the same. You have a developmental backup on the team who is a low first round selection, you are under contract for 4 more seasons with 3 of them being essentially guaranteed and the final year being a dummy season (which you agreed to when you signed).
My guess is if Rodgers did hear a heads up of what was about to happen, he wouldn't be any less peeved than he is today. He's probably actually happier he didn't get a heads up because it just gives him more ammo to justify why the Packers did him wrong.
I was told by APB to give this a rest yesterday, but you are far worse then me, you make up all these little scenarios of stuff you pull right out of your ass, that are worse then the supposition media is spilling, FFS the time to get Aaron on board with anything Guty wanted to do was long before the draft even started.
Guty was hard nosing Rodgers back then and did so just a month or so back, offering nothing, now with the rise in temperature he's spouting stuff that very likely didn't happen such as I always welcomed Aarons input, your so quick to paint Rodgers like a snivling little brat, you over look the obvious, Guty wanted to placate Rodgers till Love is ready to play, then trade him, save some contract money and get as much compensation as possible with a trade, this is not near as complicated to figure out as long as you don't make3 up stuff to strengthen your point of view.
In other words, Guty was doing his job. This is exactly what he should do to a 37 1/2 year old QB that has been mediocre at best 2 years in a row in the playoffs.
Re: Ghost's Crystal Ball and AR
Posted: 03 May 2021 09:40
by Yoop
go pak go wrote: ↑03 May 2021 09:11
Yoop wrote: ↑03 May 2021 09:06
you should have been a lawyer, there is no such thing as a dummy year in a contract, thats teams talk for we want to be able to trade you and recoup some value, as though there play wasn't valuable enough, Rodgers signed a 4 year contract extension, not a 3 year one, and was fully willing to play to completion of it.
If the Packers intend to let him then it was and is upon them to show so with a guarantee of some sort to prove it, and not some word of mouth Promise, it's beyond obvious that Rodgers doesn't trust there word of mouth.
I mean I read a lot of contracts and help negotiate contracts in my professional career.
But this is a dummy year. His contract was set up so the team could have an easy out the final year of his contract whether it was because Aaron stunk, Packers wanted to trade, cut or he retires and the Packers wouldn't be on the hook.
Doesn't mean the Packers had the intent at time of signing of "oh we are gonna trade him in 2023" but it brought the Packers risk to 0 in 2023 but still get to retain his rights as a player for free in 2023. That was completely and intentionally designed by the Packers.
And Rodgers and his agent absolutely knew about it. Because we on this forum even noticed it immediately as we all talked about time of signing how good it was for the Packers to have this final season be set up as a no risk to the Packers.
If I could read it by looking at Spotrac in 2018, I sure hope his agent could read it at that time as well. If Rodgers wanted a full guaranteed contract, he could have gotten it. Kirk Cousins got one that year and I think Rodgers is a bit higher caliber than Cousins.
there is NO SUCH THING AS A DUMMY YEAR IN A CONTRACT, the last year is used as a negotiating year for a new contract, I've sat in labor relation meetings with contractors too,
sport trac does not determine anything, they are simply a reporting firm.
why do you think Athletes don't trust management? because what is happening right now with Rodgers has been going on for years, the contract the team provides pays for PLAY not trading right, even though it obviously protects the team from keeping a declining player, but when it comes to HOF players, then the player has to protect the final years of his career, theres a fine line here, I very much doubt when Rodgers signed that contract he saw this coming, or he probably wouldn't have signed it.
Re: Ghost's Crystal Ball and AR
Posted: 03 May 2021 09:45
by Yoop
go pak go wrote: ↑03 May 2021 09:15
Yoop wrote: ↑03 May 2021 09:08
go pak go wrote: ↑03 May 2021 09:03
If he did, then he wouldn't have declined a restructure which would have assuredly guaranteed he remain a Packer for the remaining of his contract.
That theory just doesn't make sense based on the information we know.
what information is that, the restructure says nothing to do with letting him finish his contract as a Packer, or even a starter status, quit making stuff up
If you aren't willing to get to the basic level of accepting that a restructure, which would defer cap money to future years and provide a higher cost to the Packers of moving on from Rodgers while under contract (essentially guaranteeing the contract from the Packers perspective), then I can't help you and I am not willing to continue to trying to have a level-headed conversation with you.
And contract absolutely means sh*t when it comes to starter status. That isn't a contract negotiation. That is a head coach decision.
the restructure has nada to do with the contract, there are no dead years in the extension, you are talking about two different things
and again why would Lafluer not play Rodgers? why bring that up, as of last season Rodgers is the best QB to run this offense, and you'll find that out soon enough if he quits, I've tried hard to have a level headed conversation, it's impossible when you say stuff like that.
Re: Ghost's Crystal Ball and AR
Posted: 03 May 2021 10:02
by go pak go
One final thing because I feel I need to clarify myself. When I say dummy year I am just defining it as a year where the team has the control.
Dummy year can also be associated with "voidable year" which is a completely different thing and is not what is associated with this specific contract. I am not meaning that. I just put the word dummy year to Rodgers's situation as the Packers set the contract up with no dead money associated in his final season.
It's likely just a "go pak go" word to describe what is happening but my hope is people could understand what I meant when I said it.
Re: Ghost's Crystal Ball and AR
Posted: 03 May 2021 10:13
by Yoop
go pak go wrote: ↑03 May 2021 10:02
One final thing because I feel I need to clarify myself. When I say dummy year I am just defining it as a year where the team has the control.
Dummy year can also be associated with "voidable year" which is a completely different thing and is not what is associated with this specific contract. I am not meaning that. I just put the word dummy year to Rodgers's situation as the Packers set the contract up with no dead money associated in his final season.
It's likely just a "go pak go" word to describe what is happening but my hope is people could understand what I meant when I said it.
OK, but it is not voidable either, there may not be dead money, but Rodgers is being paid to perform that season, and from everything he said he intended to honor that contract year trying to win games for us, and sense he is so near the end of his career and if still playing better then Love the team should allow him to do so, maybe thats what there plan is/was, but AR has doubts of that (so do I) but if so they needed to do a better job to convince AR of that. no hard feelings bro, where all probably to invested in this
Re: Ghost's Crystal Ball and AR
Posted: 03 May 2021 10:18
by go pak go
Yoop wrote: ↑03 May 2021 10:13
OK, but it is not voidable either
Dude. Just read. That's literally what my post said as I felt I needed to clarify that to remove any confusion.
go pak go wrote: ↑03 May 2021 10:02
Dummy year can also be associated with
"voidable year" which is a completely different thing and is not what is associated with this specific contract. I am not meaning that.
Re: Ghost's Crystal Ball and AR
Posted: 03 May 2021 10:28
by YoHoChecko
Yoop wrote: ↑03 May 2021 10:13
and from everything he said he intended to honor that contract year trying to win games for us
I mean except he is literally not honoring that contract and trying to win games for us. He is literally threatening to withhold his services and not honor the contract. The team didn't cut him, didn't trade him. He's the one refusing to honor a contract because what he thinks MIGHT happen down the line? Because he doesn't like our first round pick last year? Because the General Manager of the team out-ranks the QB in the decision-making process?
You don't get to give Rodgers the benefit of the doubt about what he MIGHT have done in terms of honoring his contract while he is the one trying to light that deal on fire.
I still think the whole notion that the Packers extended/renegotiated Rodgers to further commit to him BEFORE they drafted Love being in any way contradictory is just silly. They committed to Rodgers AND they drafted a potential heir and backup to him within the same time frame. Drafting Love didn't UNDO the money Rodgers was paid and the pushing of cap dollars into future seasons that they had already done with him. But to too many, it
didundo it and they started demanding that the team do it again, even though they had JUST done it. Like, money talks. The Packers committed to Rodgers. And they drafted Love. Both are true.
The only reason this seems like a contradiction is due to the dumb, false narrative that the best time to win a Super Bowl is on a QB's rookie contract. When that ALMOST NEVER HAPPENS. Mahomes, once. Wilson, once. Since they introduced the rookie wage scale that supposedly makes that beneficial, those are the only two times it happened. It's just an absolutely assinine point of view to think that Love was drafted to win a Super Bowl in the next 3-4 years rather than Love was drafted to ensure they had an option for Rodgers' successor in the fold before they NEEDED one.
Re: Ghost's Crystal Ball and AR
Posted: 03 May 2021 11:06
by APB
Yoop wrote: ↑03 May 2021 08:54
Rodgers simply wants to finish his contract, this idea that Guty should be allowed to trade him for compensation a year or two prior is what is wrong with sports, the contract works both ways, it protects the team and the player from exactly what you propose, why should a team have the right to use a player as a bargaining chip, they do multi year contracts hoping to get a bargain, the player does it for security, there is no security though when a Team trades you prior to the end of it for draft capitol.
This is so laughably false.
The players own union is the entity that continues to allow player trades, and for good reason. Trades are useful avenues
for both players and teams as far as organizational and individual career management. For you to frame trades as this bludgeon tool only GMs get benefit from is so blindingly ridiculous it's not even funny.
Also, the security you keep harping on does not disappear once a player is traded, only his locale. The contract, and associated financial security, is every bit as valid with the new team as it was with the former. Where do you get this stuff from?? If you're gonna now harp on how unfair it is to force a player to move his family and belongings, well welcome to the industry that pays you millions of dollars a year as an offset to any locale inconveniences. I mean seriously, I get you're a union kinda guy but this nonsense you're now arguing ad nauseum is absolute garbage.
Re: Ghost's Crystal Ball and AR
Posted: 03 May 2021 11:15
by Yoop
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑03 May 2021 10:28
I still think the whole notion that the Packers extended/renegotiated Rodgers to further commit to him BEFORE they drafted Love being in any way contradictory is just silly. They committed to Rodgers AND they drafted a potential heir and backup to him within the same time frame. Drafting Love didn't UNDO the money Rodgers was paid and the pushing of cap dollars into future seasons that they had already done with him. But to too many, it didundo it and they started demanding that the team do it again, even though they had JUST done it. Like, money talks. The Packers committed to Rodgers. And they drafted Love. Both are true.
this on paper is correct, what seems obvious though is that Rodgers doesn't trust the FO when they say we are committed to Rodger for this year and beyond, it's the 2022 and 23 seasons that he doesn't trust Guty with his word, and it probably has to do with prior situations, could also have to do with his one on one meeting when Guty went to visit him, stuff we are not privy to.
I get the part that according to what we know Rodgers is acting like a jerk, but I'am pretty sure there is more to this than we know, either way Yoho if the FO is sincere with letting him finish playing out his contract then they should satisfy AR's doubts, they are also to blame here and owe it to us to do more then mouth exercises to conjole him, maybe that bridge has been past already, I don't know.
Re: Ghost's Crystal Ball and AR
Posted: 03 May 2021 11:23
by Yoop
APB wrote: ↑03 May 2021 11:06
Yoop wrote: ↑03 May 2021 08:54
Rodgers simply wants to finish his contract, this idea that Guty should be allowed to trade him for compensation a year or two prior is what is wrong with sports, the contract works both ways, it protects the team and the player from exactly what you propose, why should a team have the right to use a player as a bargaining chip, they do multi year contracts hoping to get a bargain, the player does it for security, there is no security though when a Team trades you prior to the end of it for draft capitol.
This is so laughably false.
The players own union is the entity that continues to allow player trades, and for good reason. Trades are useful avenues
for both players and teams as far as organizational and individual career management. For you to frame trades as this bludgeon tool only GMs get benefit from is so blindingly ridiculous it's not even funny.
Also, the security you keep harping on does not disappear once a player is traded, only his locale. The contract, and associated financial security, is every bit as valid with the new team as it was with the former. Where do you get this stuff from?? If you're gonna now harp on how unfair it is to force a player to move his family and belongings, well welcome to the industry that pays you millions of dollars a year as an offset to any locale inconveniences. I mean seriously, I get you're a union kinda guy but this nonsense you're now arguing ad nauseum is absolute garbage.
ya right, we are talking special circumstances here, of course trades can benefit both party's, and stop with the insults, you know damn well whats happening here, the FO is trying to use Rodgers while grooming up his successor, no problem with that, it's about trading him prior to the end of a contract they gave him to full fill once they think Love is ready, it's all about control and thats what Rodgers isn't happy with, it was the same thing (in a way) that Favre complained about, it's the same thing Brady, Willson, and any other great athlete in the wanning years complain about, don't act as though this stuff shouldn't matter when you know damn well it does.
Re: Ghost's Crystal Ball and AR
Posted: 03 May 2021 11:30
by NCF
Yoop wrote: ↑03 May 2021 11:23
it's about trading him prior to the end of a contract they gave him to full fill once they think Love is ready
Where do you get off considering this fact that everyone needs to get on board with? This is 100% your opinion... and it's not even a plausible opinion, FWIW.
Re: Ghost's Crystal Ball and AR
Posted: 03 May 2021 11:32
by YoHoChecko
Yoop wrote: ↑03 May 2021 11:15
this on paper is correct, what seems obvious though is that Rodgers doesn't trust the FO when they say we are committed to Rodger for this year and beyond, it's the 2022 and 23 seasons that he doesn't trust Guty with his word, and it probably has to do with prior situations, could also have to do with his one on one meeting when Guty went to visit him, stuff we are not privy to.
I get the part that according to what we know Rodgers is acting like a jerk, but I'am pretty sure there is more to this than we know, either way Yoho if the FO is sincere with letting him finish playing out his contract then they should satisfy AR's doubts, they are also to blame here and owe it to us to do more then mouth exercises to conjole him, maybe that bridge has been past already, I don't know.
Yeah, you're certainly right that Rodgers doesn't appear to trust what the FO is telling him.
But given that a) they renegotiated his contract and pushed a little money back and guaranteed a little more the winter before drafting Love, and b) there are many reports that no one has yet disputed coming from the same sources that have been accurate thus far saying that the Packers offered more guarantees and renegotiation immediately after the season, they ARE doing more than lip service.
What appears to be the case is that the Packers were willing to guarantee the next year, but not two more years. And Rodgers wanted two more years guaranteed and maybe a raise? The latter part seems unclear as there have been some mixed reports. That might explain why he doesn't trust the FO for the "and beyond" part of "2021 and beyond." I think they should have and still should put guaranteed money into 21 and 22. That doesn't prevent him from being traded, though. Never has.
But my point is that a player distrusting his management for what they might do is not even CLOSE to a good enough reason to react this strongly preemptively.
I just genuinely don't think Rodgers has a case here. I really don't. The whole thing is apparently about communication and not liking a draft pick? About not having full and total control over his life and employment? Like, no one has that.
I'm a management guy, though, by disposition. I kind of always have been. Players are employees and no matter how empowered they are, there is nothing contradictory or shady to me about a system in which the management is allowed to fire its employees but the employee is tied to the contract they signed which is essentially an elaborate non-compete clause: you can work for us or quit the industry. You can't quit and work for a competitor. That's pretty basic stuff there, so the overall "why do players have to honor a contract when teams don't?" has always fallen on deaf ears to me (not that you're making that point now, but it's a notion underlying the whole debate and comes up often in these scenarios).
Re: Ghost's Crystal Ball and AR
Posted: 03 May 2021 11:58
by Yoop
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑03 May 2021 11:32
Yoop wrote: ↑03 May 2021 11:15
this on paper is correct, what seems obvious though is that Rodgers doesn't trust the FO when they say we are committed to Rodger for this year and beyond, it's the 2022 and 23 seasons that he doesn't trust Guty with his word, and it probably has to do with prior situations, could also have to do with his one on one meeting when Guty went to visit him, stuff we are not privy to.
I get the part that according to what we know Rodgers is acting like a jerk, but I'am pretty sure there is more to this than we know, either way Yoho if the FO is sincere with letting him finish playing out his contract then they should satisfy AR's doubts, they are also to blame here and owe it to us to do more then mouth exercises to conjole him, maybe that bridge has been past already, I don't know.
Yeah, you're certainly right that Rodgers doesn't appear to trust what the FO is telling him.
But given that a) they renegotiated his contract and pushed a little money back and guaranteed a little more the winter before drafting Love, and b) there are many reports that no one has yet disputed coming from the same sources that have been accurate thus far saying that the Packers offered more guarantees and renegotiation immediately after the season, they ARE doing more than lip service.
What appears to be the case is that the Packers were willing to guarantee the next year, but not two more years. And Rodgers wanted two more years guaranteed and maybe a raise? The latter part seems unclear as there have been some mixed reports. That might explain why he doesn't trust the FO for the "and beyond" part of "2021 and beyond." I think they should have and still should put guaranteed money into 21 and 22. That doesn't prevent him from being traded, though. Never has.
But my point is that a player distrusting his management for what they might do is not even CLOSE to a good enough reason to react this strongly preemptively.
I just genuinely don't think Rodgers has a case here. I really don't. The whole thing is apparently about communication and not liking a draft pick? About not having full and total control over his life and employment? Like, no one has that.
I'm a management guy, though, by disposition. I kind of always have been. Players are employees and no matter how empowered they are, there is nothing contradictory or shady to me about a system in which the management is allowed to fire its employees but the employee is tied to the contract they signed which is essentially an elaborate non-compete clause: you can work for us or quit the industry. You can't quit and work for a competitor. That's pretty basic stuff there, so the overall "why do players have to honor a contract when teams don't?" has always fallen on deaf ears to me (not that you're making that point now, but it's a notion underlying the whole debate and comes up often in these scenarios).
What appears to be the case is that the Packers were willing to guarantee the next year, but not two more years. And Rodgers wanted two more years guaranteed and maybe a raise? The latter part seems unclear as there have been some mixed reports. That might explain why he doesn't trust the FO for the "and beyond" part of "2021 and beyond." I think they should have and still should put guaranteed money into 21 and 22. That doesn't prevent him from being traded, though. Never has.
I think we agree with this part.
I've always been on the side of the employee obviously as I've been a union guy for 50 years of my life, and in the work field I was in Employers want a week or so notice when you intend to leave, but will lay you off on the spur of the moment, and thats the part Rodgers wont agree to ( my hats off to him if he can pull it off), I think we can both agree that Rodgers in this next 2 or 3 years is the best QB to run this team, LOve may have a bright future, but I can't see him over taking Rodgers in that time frame, so there really is no reason to trade him, the only reason would be to gain compensation with draft picks, Employers don't get to do that in the real world, they may hire your replacement, and fire you, but they don't get a bonus when doing it.
as I said, I hope both sides can work out there grievances and get back to doing whats best for the team.
just to clarify Yoho, I was in a construction union, I understand that in house unions are diff, employers have a much harder time getting rid of poor employee's, still when they do there is no compensation.
Re: Ghost's Crystal Ball and AR
Posted: 03 May 2021 12:03
by Yoop
NCF wrote: ↑03 May 2021 11:30
Yoop wrote: ↑03 May 2021 11:23
it's about trading him prior to the end of a contract they gave him to full fill once they think Love is ready
Where do you get off considering this fact that everyone needs to get on board with? This is 100% your opinion... and it's not even a plausible opinion, FWIW.
how do you know thats not what Guty had been planning to do, Rodgers is so convinced of it ( according to media reports) that he's willing to force a trade.
where do I get off????????? these are my opinions, you get to have yours too.