Re: Expectations for the 2021 season
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Re: Expectations for the 2021 season
Posted: 19 Sep 2021 19:10
I am starting to "expect" a Packers-Cowboys post-season game at Lambeau. Just a hunch anyway.
Re: Expectations for the 2021 season
Posted: 21 Sep 2021 06:28
2 games in, things look OK for the Packers making the playoffs.
Assuming no more critical injuries this is what we can expect:
An Oline of Bak, Runyan, Meyers, Newman and Jenkins is going to be awesome. The interior OLine will all see major improvement and Jenkins is a massive improvement over Turner.
Z will be missed if he does not come back but Preston is playing much better this year. Gary is a slow learner but all that means is that the Packers have to devise a scheme where he is told to penetrate on every play. He is a beast, he can do that.
Stokes is already better than King, let him play and the Packers will have 2 shutdown corners in January. Campbell is better than any Packer ILB since Blake left.
Now, if Rodgers can restrain himself and throw to the open receiver instead of missing MVS deep, the O will be unstoppable. Tonyan and Adams are a completion or a first down by penalty every single play.
Assuming no more critical injuries this is what we can expect:
An Oline of Bak, Runyan, Meyers, Newman and Jenkins is going to be awesome. The interior OLine will all see major improvement and Jenkins is a massive improvement over Turner.
Z will be missed if he does not come back but Preston is playing much better this year. Gary is a slow learner but all that means is that the Packers have to devise a scheme where he is told to penetrate on every play. He is a beast, he can do that.
Stokes is already better than King, let him play and the Packers will have 2 shutdown corners in January. Campbell is better than any Packer ILB since Blake left.
Now, if Rodgers can restrain himself and throw to the open receiver instead of missing MVS deep, the O will be unstoppable. Tonyan and Adams are a completion or a first down by penalty every single play.
Re: Expectations for the 2021 season
Posted: 21 Sep 2021 06:34
I have no issues with the shots to MVS. He's just got to hit those once in a while. Even just taking those shots, makes a difference in how defenses play us.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 06:28Now, if Rodgers can restrain himself and throw to the open receiver instead of missing MVS deep, the O will be unstoppable. Tonyan and Adams are a completion or a first down by penalty every single play.
Re: Expectations for the 2021 season
Posted: 21 Sep 2021 07:20
Blows my mind how Rodgers can't hit MVS in stride. MVS should have at least 4 TDs combined in his last two games at Lambeau. Instead he has one.paco wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 06:34I have no issues with the shots to MVS. He's just got to hit those once in a while. Even just taking those shots, makes a difference in how defenses play us.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 06:28Now, if Rodgers can restrain himself and throw to the open receiver instead of missing MVS deep, the O will be unstoppable. Tonyan and Adams are a completion or a first down by penalty every single play.
Re: Expectations for the 2021 season
Posted: 21 Sep 2021 07:25
Yeah I pretty much have minimal long term worries about the offense against most teams. Sure the elite defenses will still shut us down like they always do, but that won’t come until deep in the post season if we get there.
Totally think this team will win a weak NFCN, by a lot probably.
I def worry about the defense. I didn’t gain much confidence from what I saw in the second half.
2 huge games coming up. Realistically would be nice to go 1-1 in them and be sitting at 2-2. That should still have everything in front of us in terms of winning the division and hosting a playoff home game.
Totally think this team will win a weak NFCN, by a lot probably.
I def worry about the defense. I didn’t gain much confidence from what I saw in the second half.
2 huge games coming up. Realistically would be nice to go 1-1 in them and be sitting at 2-2. That should still have everything in front of us in terms of winning the division and hosting a playoff home game.
Re: Expectations for the 2021 season
Posted: 21 Sep 2021 07:28
Last night made me at least excited for Sunday. I still expect SF win, and likely win easily, but some performances by guys like Stokes gave me a glimmer of hope.Drj820 wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 07:25Yeah I pretty much have minimal long term worries about the offense against most teams. Sure the elite defenses will still shut us down like they always do, but that won’t come until deep in the post season if we get there.
Totally think this team will win a weak NFCN, by a lot probably.
I def worry about the defense. I didn’t gain much confidence from what I saw in the second half.
2 huge games coming up. Realistically would be nice to go 1-1 in them and be sitting at 2-2. That should still have everything in front of us in terms of winning the division and hosting a playoff home game.
This defense needs Z's energy.
Re: Expectations for the 2021 season
Posted: 21 Sep 2021 07:33
I wish I knew what the problem was. Is Rodgers overestimating his speed? I'm sure they'll hit on one at some point. But so many missed opportunities already.go pak go wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 07:20Blows my mind how Rodgers can't hit MVS in stride. MVS should have at least 4 TDs combined in his last two games at Lambeau. Instead he has one.paco wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 06:34I have no issues with the shots to MVS. He's just got to hit those once in a while. Even just taking those shots, makes a difference in how defenses play us.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 06:28Now, if Rodgers can restrain himself and throw to the open receiver instead of missing MVS deep, the O will be unstoppable. Tonyan and Adams are a completion or a first down by penalty every single play.
Re: Expectations for the 2021 season
Posted: 21 Sep 2021 07:44
Count me in too for being, "intrigued, and open to the possibility of being surprised" for the game Sunday.go pak go wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 07:28Last night made me at least excited for Sunday. I still expect SF win, and likely win easily, but some performances by guys like Stokes gave me a glimmer of hope.Drj820 wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 07:25Yeah I pretty much have minimal long term worries about the offense against most teams. Sure the elite defenses will still shut us down like they always do, but that won’t come until deep in the post season if we get there.
Totally think this team will win a weak NFCN, by a lot probably.
I def worry about the defense. I didn’t gain much confidence from what I saw in the second half.
2 huge games coming up. Realistically would be nice to go 1-1 in them and be sitting at 2-2. That should still have everything in front of us in terms of winning the division and hosting a playoff home game.
This defense needs Z's energy.
This primarily being due to maybe the O can develop a good plan and score against the niners D in what may become a shootout. I just have low confidence we will stop their O. But I will happy to be forced to update my opinion!
Re: Expectations for the 2021 season
Posted: 21 Sep 2021 07:47
The first deep ball he threw to MVS was pretty much a perfect pass. He just probably shouldnt have thrown it. It hit the defender in the helmet who was running stride for stride with MVS. MVS didnt get any separation whatsoever. Its looking to me like MVS is not nearly as dangerous when covered by a CB1 or CB2 from the outside. 3/4s of the time hes beat the D seems to be when hes blown by a safety or blown through a zone from the slot.paco wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 07:33I wish I knew what the problem was. Is Rodgers overestimating his speed? I'm sure they'll hit on one at some point. But so many missed opportunities already.
I know the second ball that Rodgers threw was just a miss. But its real early in the year. That can get healed up imo
Re: Expectations for the 2021 season
Posted: 21 Sep 2021 08:05
to me it's a lack of consistent route speed from MVS, Rodgers took some of the blame, but we've read that Scantling has trouble alluding the DB at the los, but as we've seen doesn't separate during the route either, so it slows him down just enough to cause these misses, when MVS gets a clean release and his route isn't interupted we've seen Rodgers hit him in stride.paco wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 07:33I wish I knew what the problem was. Is Rodgers overestimating his speed? I'm sure they'll hit on one at some point. But so many missed opportunities already.
I think this will improve as it did last year, MVS is fast, but if a DB can knock him out of stride it ruins the timing to the catch point.
Re: Expectations for the 2021 season
Posted: 21 Sep 2021 08:05
Drj820 wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 07:44Count me in too for being, "intrigued, and open to the possibility of being surprised" for the game Sunday.go pak go wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 07:28Last night made me at least excited for Sunday. I still expect SF win, and likely win easily, but some performances by guys like Stokes gave me a glimmer of hope.Drj820 wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 07:25Yeah I pretty much have minimal long term worries about the offense against most teams. Sure the elite defenses will still shut us down like they always do, but that won’t come until deep in the post season if we get there.
Totally think this team will win a weak NFCN, by a lot probably.
I def worry about the defense. I didn’t gain much confidence from what I saw in the second half.
2 huge games coming up. Realistically would be nice to go 1-1 in them and be sitting at 2-2. That should still have everything in front of us in terms of winning the division and hosting a playoff home game.
This defense needs Z's energy.
This primarily being due to maybe the O can develop a good plan and score against the niners D in what may become a shootout. I just have low confidence we will stop their O. But I will happy to be forced to update my opinion!
I'm the opposite. I think this defense is going to be the one that is counted to pull out a W. I'd be surprised if the offense can eek out any more than 24 points. That SF D is brutal and can stop the run playing 2 high. This is an AJ Dillon and defensive game.
BUT. If this team proves with AJ Dillon that they can beat physical teams with good ILBs, then I will start to get really excited because our team will start to develop multiple ways of beating teams.
Re: Expectations for the 2021 season
Posted: 21 Sep 2021 08:19
I agree with your analysis haha i just think if it is that kind of game we are going to get smoked, because I have no belief that we will stop their offense. I was just describing how I think we can win, which i see a glimmer of hope for based on how the offense looked last night. But overall, I agree its probably going to be a tough night on the O.go pak go wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 08:05Drj820 wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 07:44Count me in too for being, "intrigued, and open to the possibility of being surprised" for the game Sunday.
This primarily being due to maybe the O can develop a good plan and score against the niners D in what may become a shootout. I just have low confidence we will stop their O. But I will happy to be forced to update my opinion!
This is an AJ Dillon and defensive game.
BUT. If this team proves with AJ Dillon that they can beat physical teams with good ILBs, then I will start to get really excited because our team will start to develop multiple ways of beating teams.
Re: Expectations for the 2021 season
Posted: 21 Sep 2021 08:30
Why do you think my money is on SF.Drj820 wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 08:19I agree with your analysis haha i just think if it is that kind of game we are going to get smoked, because I have no belief that we will stop their offense. I was just describing how I think we can win, which i see a glimmer of hope for based on how the offense looked last night. But overall, I agree its probably going to be a tough night on the O.go pak go wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 08:05Drj820 wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 07:44
Count me in too for being, "intrigued, and open to the possibility of being surprised" for the game Sunday.
This primarily being due to maybe the O can develop a good plan and score against the niners D in what may become a shootout. I just have low confidence we will stop their O. But I will happy to be forced to update my opinion!
This is an AJ Dillon and defensive game.
BUT. If this team proves with AJ Dillon that they can beat physical teams with good ILBs, then I will start to get really excited because our team will start to develop multiple ways of beating teams.
I just don't think the offense can get going early because they can stop Aaron Jones which I am starting to believe is getting closer to our most important player on offense. The Packers offense has never proven in the MLF era that they can put up significant points vs these type of defenses outside of the Rams game which I still think isn't on the same level because the Rams had poor quality ILBs which allowed Jones to get going. The 9ers have everything you want in the front 7 to stop Aaron Jones. They are absolutely better than NO's on defense.
I would be shocked if the offense gets rolling. UNLESS AJ Dillon can get the game moving. Otherwise the recipe is there for the taking.
Stop Aaron Jones. Rodgers forces to Adams. Punt.
Opposing offense gets long drive on ground and key 3rd down conversions throwing on Kevin King
Stop Aaron Jones. Rodgers starts to panic. Takes a sack. Punt.
Opposing offense gets an explosive play on the ground. Up by 14.
Rodgers in panic mode. Forces to Adams. Incomplete. Sack. 3rd and 19. Punt
....this has been the recipe to beat MLF's Packers.
Re: Expectations for the 2021 season
Posted: 21 Sep 2021 08:32
No Lies Detected.go pak go wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 08:30Why do you think my money is on SF.Drj820 wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 08:19I agree with your analysis haha i just think if it is that kind of game we are going to get smoked, because I have no belief that we will stop their offense. I was just describing how I think we can win, which i see a glimmer of hope for based on how the offense looked last night. But overall, I agree its probably going to be a tough night on the O.go pak go wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 08:05
This is an AJ Dillon and defensive game.
BUT. If this team proves with AJ Dillon that they can beat physical teams with good ILBs, then I will start to get really excited because our team will start to develop multiple ways of beating teams.
The Packers offense has never proven in the MLF era that they can put up significant points vs these type of defenses outside of the Rams game which I still think isn't on the same level because the Rams had poor quality ILBs which allowed Jones to get going. The 9ers have everything you want in the front 7 to stop Aaron Jones. They are absolutely better than NO's on defense.
I would be shocked if the offense gets rolling. UNLESS AJ Dillon can get the game moving. Otherwise the recipe is there for the taking.
Stop Aaron Jones. Rodgers forces to Adams. Punt.
Opposing offense gets long drive on ground and key 3rd down conversions throwing on Kevin King
Stop Aaron Jones. Rodgers starts to panic. Takes a sack. Punt.
Opposing offense gets an explosive play on the ground. Up by 14.
Rodgers in panic mode. Forces to Adams. Incomplete. Sack. 3rd and 19. Punt
....this has been the recipe to beat MLF's Packers.
Re: Expectations for the 2021 season
Posted: 21 Sep 2021 08:41
My expectations/hopes on this 2021 Packers team is basically hinged on 4 players
1. Eric Stokes being able to take the duties and play effectively as CB2
2. Rashan Gary finishing his pressures and actually impacting the play.
3. AJ Dillon getting fed the ball and moving the pile consistently to get 3 - 5 yards each play when the opposing defense shuts down Aaron Jones.
4. Robert Tonyan not disappearing against teams with these good ILBs and making key plays in the middle of the field.
I think D'Vondre Campbell is my "excited" wildcard if he keeps improving on his 2021 season. He has been really good.
1. Eric Stokes being able to take the duties and play effectively as CB2
2. Rashan Gary finishing his pressures and actually impacting the play.
3. AJ Dillon getting fed the ball and moving the pile consistently to get 3 - 5 yards each play when the opposing defense shuts down Aaron Jones.
4. Robert Tonyan not disappearing against teams with these good ILBs and making key plays in the middle of the field.
I think D'Vondre Campbell is my "excited" wildcard if he keeps improving on his 2021 season. He has been really good.
Re: Expectations for the 2021 season
Posted: 21 Sep 2021 08:50
not sure what thread is best for this but maybe this one bc its what we "expect going forward, in a broad sense. So here goes:
Gary needs some control. I have watched him for three years have no idea where the ball is, while he focuses on destroying the guy blocking him. He often does win his 1v1 matchup! The problem is that he is doing whatever it takes to win his matchup, and that could include going away from the ball. There were several plays last night where he beat his guy, only to take himself out of the play as immobile Goff just needed to take one step up or over and Gary was rendered useless. He needs to see that even if he never gets by his guy, if he pushes his guy into or around Goff that is still very good. The issue is that he is a wild banshee who wins his matchup and then after he wins it, he looks around for the ball...and it usually has just gone past him.
Its extra troublesome because its exactly what happened at Michigan. Great measurables, minimal box score impact. We need him to know where the ball is.
Gary needs some control. I have watched him for three years have no idea where the ball is, while he focuses on destroying the guy blocking him. He often does win his 1v1 matchup! The problem is that he is doing whatever it takes to win his matchup, and that could include going away from the ball. There were several plays last night where he beat his guy, only to take himself out of the play as immobile Goff just needed to take one step up or over and Gary was rendered useless. He needs to see that even if he never gets by his guy, if he pushes his guy into or around Goff that is still very good. The issue is that he is a wild banshee who wins his matchup and then after he wins it, he looks around for the ball...and it usually has just gone past him.
Its extra troublesome because its exactly what happened at Michigan. Great measurables, minimal box score impact. We need him to know where the ball is.
Re: Expectations for the 2021 season
Posted: 21 Sep 2021 09:00
well said, I was wondering which Gary pressures GPG was referring to, he had one when he got about 2 yrds away from Goff which I'd hardly call a pressure as Goff got rid of the ball, and the scramble sack, thats basically 1.5 pressures, Gary is a huge disappointment so far this season.Drj820 wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 08:50not sure what thread is best for this but maybe this one bc its what we "expect going forward, in a broad sense. So here goes:
Gary needs some control. I have watched him for three years have no idea where the ball is, while he focuses on destroying the guy blocking him. He often does win his 1v1 matchup! The problem is that he is doing whatever it takes to win his matchup, and that could include going away from the ball. There were several plays last night where he beat his guy, only to take himself out of the play as immobile Goff just needed to take one step up or over and Gary was rendered useless. He needs to see that even if he never gets by his guy, if he pushes his guy into or around Goff that is still very good. The issue is that he is a wild banshee who wins his matchup and then after he wins it, he looks around for the ball...and it usually has just gone past him.
Its extra troublesome because its exactly what happened at Michigan. Great measurables, minimal box score impact. We need him to know where the ball is.
Barry needs to dial up more pressure, we need to create stunt lanes, and blitz more, getting Z back in 3 weeks is huge, but till then we need more then what Preston and Gary can bring, good thing Clark had a good game with 5 pressures.
we have a good secondary the last two seasons they have produced top 10 ratings, but they need pass rush success to do that.
Re: Expectations for the 2021 season
Posted: 21 Sep 2021 09:26
Like Dr J said. Gary is winning his one on one matchups. Especially on 3rd down when he can pin his ears back...he is winning the play against his man but he isn't impacting the play to lead to an actual pressure or sack. Or if they do give him the "pressure" the QB has been able to step up and run because Gary didn't stay disciplined. Honestly some correlation to watching Matthews for the exception that Matthews also finished a lot more plays to even it out.Yoop wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 09:00well said, I was wondering which Gary pressures GPG was referring to, he had one when he got about 2 yrds away from Goff which I'd hardly call a pressure as Goff got rid of the ball, and the scramble sack, thats basically 1.5 pressures, Gary is a huge disappointment so far this season.Drj820 wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 08:50not sure what thread is best for this but maybe this one bc its what we "expect going forward, in a broad sense. So here goes:
Gary needs some control. I have watched him for three years have no idea where the ball is, while he focuses on destroying the guy blocking him. He often does win his 1v1 matchup! The problem is that he is doing whatever it takes to win his matchup, and that could include going away from the ball. There were several plays last night where he beat his guy, only to take himself out of the play as immobile Goff just needed to take one step up or over and Gary was rendered useless. He needs to see that even if he never gets by his guy, if he pushes his guy into or around Goff that is still very good. The issue is that he is a wild banshee who wins his matchup and then after he wins it, he looks around for the ball...and it usually has just gone past him.
Its extra troublesome because its exactly what happened at Michigan. Great measurables, minimal box score impact. We need him to know where the ball is.
Barry needs to dial up more pressure, we need to create stunt lanes, and blitz more, getting Z back in 3 weeks is huge, but till then we need more then what Preston and Gary can bring, good thing Clark had a good game with 5 pressures.
we have a good secondary the last two seasons they have produced top 10 ratings, but they need pass rush success to do that.
I have been very disappointed with Gary so far this season.
Re: Expectations for the 2021 season
Posted: 21 Sep 2021 09:38
see GPG thats what separates the pass rushers that make a diff. from those that don't, we've had plenty of others that win the one on one, but fail to close once they do because they still have the blocker between themselves and the QB, these are the same issues Gary dealt with in college.go pak go wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 09:26Like Dr J said. Gary is winning his one on one matchups. Especially on 3rd down when he can pin his ears back...he is winning the play against his man but he isn't impacting the play to lead to an actual pressure or sack. Or if they do give him the "pressure" the QB has been able to step up and run because Gary didn't stay disciplined. Honestly some correlation to watching Matthews for the exception that Matthews also finished a lot more plays to even it out.Yoop wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 09:00well said, I was wondering which Gary pressures GPG was referring to, he had one when he got about 2 yrds away from Goff which I'd hardly call a pressure as Goff got rid of the ball, and the scramble sack, thats basically 1.5 pressures, Gary is a huge disappointment so far this season.Drj820 wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021 08:50not sure what thread is best for this but maybe this one bc its what we "expect going forward, in a broad sense. So here goes:
Gary needs some control. I have watched him for three years have no idea where the ball is, while he focuses on destroying the guy blocking him. He often does win his 1v1 matchup! The problem is that he is doing whatever it takes to win his matchup, and that could include going away from the ball. There were several plays last night where he beat his guy, only to take himself out of the play as immobile Goff just needed to take one step up or over and Gary was rendered useless. He needs to see that even if he never gets by his guy, if he pushes his guy into or around Goff that is still very good. The issue is that he is a wild banshee who wins his matchup and then after he wins it, he looks around for the ball...and it usually has just gone past him.
Its extra troublesome because its exactly what happened at Michigan. Great measurables, minimal box score impact. We need him to know where the ball is.
Barry needs to dial up more pressure, we need to create stunt lanes, and blitz more, getting Z back in 3 weeks is huge, but till then we need more then what Preston and Gary can bring, good thing Clark had a good game with 5 pressures.
we have a good secondary the last two seasons they have produced top 10 ratings, but they need pass rush success to do that.
I have been very disappointed with Gary so far this season.
when Gary does win it's with force, in that respect he reminds me of Perry, it's all about the hands and winning with good feet, leverage, so that when you do come clean your in position to close quickly, Gary is still struggling with that, jusy my opinion anyway.