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Re: Here's Johnny!! (Crying over spilt OBJ Bowl) SEA Wk10
Posted: 16 Nov 2021 11:14
by Pckfn23
go pak go wrote: ↑16 Nov 2021 11:03
salmar80 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2021 10:53
go pak go wrote: ↑16 Nov 2021 10:37
Like I said. All Packfn23 and I did was ask a question of why PFF graded the way they did.
To put Stokes at "above average" and King at Elite grading is strange. LIkely due to the high grade of the INT and low snap count. But when just looking at the grade and comparing it other players, it doesn't do the evaluation justice.
Nothing wrong with questioning grades and evaluations.
Any idea whether they include STs snaps to those grades? If yes, could explain some grades that look weird when considering only O or D snaps.
I also think grading down to a decimal point is kinda hilarious. Patrick Taylor played a total of 4 snaps, 3 on O and one on STs. Getting a 62.9 grade sounds awfully specific for 4 snaps. I kinda imagine the grader going "Now that's a play worth -0.1 points!"
They do include ST's.
Their grading scale for each play I believe goes from a -2 to a +2 with 0 being a neutral.
So with King, he has limited snaps but likely got a 2.0 grade on the INT. He also had no negative plays or at the least would only have minor limited plays.
Therefore, he gets an elite grade because of the low snap count and game changing play. I wish PFF would somehow qualify that in their rankings.
King had 1 ST snap, Stokes had 0.
They used to inherently qualify low snap counts before they normalized their grades on a 0-100 scale. Before, it was tough for a player who didn't play a lot to have a high grade as they simply didn't accumulate enough "points," so to speak.
Re: Here's Johnny!! (Crying over spilt OBJ Bowl) SEA Wk10
Posted: 16 Nov 2021 11:26
by Yoop
go pak go wrote: ↑16 Nov 2021 11:03
Therefore, he gets an elite grade because of the low snap count and game changing play.
it's more then just that, his play excelled on the other 19 plays as well.
people here rag on PFF grades a lot, I just get a kick out of forum members who think they know more because they think there a more astute evaluator then people at PFF, 400 guys trained in what to look when doing there evaluations.
people should read up about PFF before discounting there ability to give us a pretty accurate assessment of individual plays.
The PFF grading system is target-driven at the coverage level, crediting or deducting from all players involved either at the catch point or after the catch. Players away from the catch point will receive grading adjustments based on down and distance and other situational expectations.
so OK, they don't get to see everything, but those 800 eyes don't miss much.
breakdown of how they grade positions.
https://www.pff.com/news/pro-how-pff-gr ... nfl-levels
Re: Here's Johnny!! (Crying over spilt OBJ Bowl) SEA Wk10
Posted: 16 Nov 2021 11:35
by go pak go
Yoop wrote: ↑16 Nov 2021 11:26
go pak go wrote: ↑16 Nov 2021 11:03
Therefore, he gets an elite grade because of the low snap count and game changing play.
it's more then just that, his play excelled on the other 19 plays as well.
people here rag on PFF grades a lot, I just get a kick out of forum members who think they know more because they think there a more astute evaluator then people at PFF, 400 guys trained in what to look when doing there evaluations.
people should read up about PFF before discounting there ability to give us a pretty accurate assessment of individual plays.
The PFF grading system is target-driven at the coverage level, crediting or deducting from all players involved either at the catch point or after the catch. Players away from the catch point will receive grading adjustments based on down and distance and other situational expectations.
so OK, they don't get to see everything, but those 800 eyes don't miss much.
breakdown of how they grade positions.
https://www.pff.com/news/pro-how-pff-gr ... nfl-levels
yoop. I said King played well or at least didn't have negative grades on his other 19 snaps the sentence prior. You cherry picked a sentence on me.
My whole point was comparing King to Stokes. Both had great games and yet King is voted as Elite and Stokes is evaluated as above average.
You literally changed your vote when I brought snap counts in because you at first took PFF's grade at face value and didn't think beyond that. Now you're doubling down again saying I don't know how PFF grading works.
I have read how they grade. I bet many here have.
Why are you responding to me and then insinuating I am ragging on PFF's grades? Why isn't digging deeper and asking questions on their data reasonable?
Re: Here's Johnny!! (Crying over spilt OBJ Bowl) SEA Wk10
Posted: 16 Nov 2021 12:32
by Labrev
Yeah and I think I saw King get beat deep by Metcalf a few times. He probably had safety help, but still.
You might rightly point out that Metcalf does that against good CBs from time to time, and fair enough, but I feel like you draft a 6'2/4.4 guy in King expressly to eliminate that guy, and you admit it did not work out when you draft an Eric Stokes even after bringing King back.
Re: Here's Johnny!! (Crying over spilt OBJ Bowl) SEA Wk10
Posted: 16 Nov 2021 13:30
by lulu
Every one of you clowns that switched your vote away from King, go suck an egg!
I would vote for King but the rules prohibit me from doing so...(
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I'll go Dillion. He crushed it.
Re: Here's Johnny!! (Crying over spilt OBJ Bowl) SEA Wk10
Posted: 16 Nov 2021 13:31
by Crazylegs Starks
I can get on board with voting Stokes