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Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 28 May 2022 10:10
by Raptorman
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑23 May 2022 22:42
I hope y'all know I love it here. I rag lupe all the time, but I'm so glad he's back. I argue with yoop and drj all around the place, but I'm doing so in good fun. Value everyone's contributions and am super glad to have Packer/football discussion outlets, especially since working from home started and my work-sports friends aren't around just shooting the breeze anymore (they're Ravens/Commies fans anyway). I know sometimes it seems like I'm a serious stick in the mud, but I'm actually a jovial social butterfly and partier with friends who mostly don't give AF about sports. My written tone is not my personality. (I do love to argue vehemently irl, though; that part is real)
Just wanted to let you know that I actually pay attention to what you say. Your insight into the game and players is far better than most others.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 30 May 2022 14:24
by Realist
salmar80 wrote: ↑28 May 2022 05:15
TE David Njoku gets a 4-year $56.75 million contract to replace the franchise tag he was on. Per PFT, the deal includes $28 million in guaranteed money.
Sounds like a lot to me for a guy averaging 27 yds/game, and 3 tds/season during his career...
If Big Bob has a season resembling 2020, he'll be hella expensive to keep.
Really no comparison between Bob and Njoku from an athletic standpoint. Bob could never command that much money. And not sure I would pay Njoku that much but I would to see the numbers he could put up here when we had Adams.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 31 May 2022 11:04
by Drj820
Realist wrote: ↑30 May 2022 14:24
salmar80 wrote: ↑28 May 2022 05:15
TE David Njoku gets a 4-year $56.75 million contract to replace the franchise tag he was on. Per PFT, the deal includes $28 million in guaranteed money.
Sounds like a lot to me for a guy averaging 27 yds/game, and 3 tds/season during his career...
If Big Bob has a season resembling 2020, he'll be hella expensive to keep.
Really no comparison between Bob and Njoku from an athletic standpoint. Bob could never command that much money. And not sure I would pay Njoku that much but I would to see the numbers he could put up here when we had Adams.
Njoku is an anomoly of sorts. Never really produced but everyone sees the potential due to his measurables. It looks like an overpay to me, but it has absolutely 0 affect on a future Tonyan contract unless Tonyan himself can produce in 2022. Njoku was a first round pick and is still living off that possibility of potential. Tonyan is an UDFA whose production will earn him a check, not his body type.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 31 May 2022 11:59
by Yoop
Drj820 wrote: ↑31 May 2022 11:04
Realist wrote: ↑30 May 2022 14:24
salmar80 wrote: ↑28 May 2022 05:15
TE David Njoku gets a 4-year $56.75 million contract to replace the franchise tag he was on. Per PFT, the deal includes $28 million in guaranteed money.
Sounds like a lot to me for a guy averaging 27 yds/game, and 3 tds/season during his career...
If Big Bob has a season resembling 2020, he'll be hella expensive to keep.
Really no comparison between Bob and Njoku from an athletic standpoint. Bob could never command that much money. And not sure I would pay Njoku that much but I would to see the numbers he could put up here when we had Adams.
Njoku is an anomoly of sorts. Never really produced but everyone sees the potential due to his measurables. It looks like an overpay to me, but it has absolutely 0 affect on a future Tonyan contract unless Tonyan himself can produce in 2022. Njoku was a first round pick and is still living off that possibility of potential. Tonyan is an UDFA whose production will earn him a check, not his body type.
the higher the pick, typically the more athletic and ready to play at this level the guy is, after a few seasons in the pros these things often even themselves up, Tonyan may never be as athletic as Njoku, but in terms of production so much is team and scheme dependent, Bob caught just about everything thrown his way 2 years ago, if he regains the athletic ability he had then I don't see any reason for a production decline, imo draft slotting means very little a few years after that draft, I expect Tonyan to have a big year.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 31 May 2022 13:34
by YoHoChecko
I don't want to stir a hornets' nest here but...
Bob Tonyan and David Njoku have fairly similar athleticism based on testing
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 07 Jun 2022 09:23
by NCF
Not a team player...
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 08 Jun 2022 18:43
by YoHoChecko
Wow, sounds like Cooper Kupp just signed a deal that's 3 new years and $75M in new money for a new money/new years average of $25M.
Given that he had 2 years and $29.5M left on his previous deal, that's a 5-year $105 million deal--an absolute BARGAIN for that kind of production. He's making $8 M less per year than Adams and Tyreek. For reference, that's Cooper Kupp and Leonard Floyd for Adams or Tyreek, financially. In Packers terms, that's Adrian Amos.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 08 Jun 2022 19:27
by Drj820
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑08 Jun 2022 18:43
Wow, sounds like Cooper Kupp just signed a deal that's 3 new years and $75M in new money for a new money/new years average of $25M.
Given that he had 2 years and $29.5M left on his previous deal, that's a 5-year $105 million deal--an absolute
BARGAIN for that kind of production. He's making $8 M less per year than Adams and Tyreek. For reference, that's Cooper Kupp and Leonard Floyd for Adams or Tyreek, financially. In Packers terms, that's Adrian Amos.
I would just say I believe the 75million guaranteed attached to Kupps deal is higher than both Hills and Adams guarantee
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 09 Jun 2022 14:49
by wallyuwl
Surprised no discussion about the latest allegations against Watson from the 24th woman. Jim Rome devoted a full hour to it earlier this week. This has a lot of implications in the AFC, and possibly even the NFC because it will influence what the Browns do with Baker. Watson will surely be suspended at least 6 games, and he should get the entire season (at least). The court cases will keep piling on and be a distraction for the Browns and league office.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 09 Jun 2022 15:16
by BF004
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 09 Jun 2022 15:22
by Drj820
BF004 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2022 15:16
precciate that 12
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 09 Jun 2022 16:32
by wallyuwl
So 17 thinks Carr is better than Love.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 09 Jun 2022 17:08
by Drj820
wallyuwl wrote: ↑09 Jun 2022 16:32
So 17 thinks Carr is better than Love.
Makes sense. I’m starting to think Benkhert is better than Love.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 09 Jun 2022 17:08
by YoHoChecko
wallyuwl wrote: ↑09 Jun 2022 16:32
So 17 thinks Carr is better than Love.
Well yes, but more so he'd rather play with his best friend for 5 years than Rodgers for maybe 1, maybe 2, and then....
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 09 Jun 2022 17:11
by Drj820
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑09 Jun 2022 17:08
wallyuwl wrote: ↑09 Jun 2022 16:32
So 17 thinks Carr is better than Love.
Well yes, but more so he'd rather play with his best friend for 5 years than Rodgers for maybe 1, maybe 2, and then....
Im sure he def thinks that lol
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 09 Jun 2022 17:13
by wallyuwl
Drj820 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2022 17:08
wallyuwl wrote: ↑09 Jun 2022 16:32
So 17 thinks Carr is better than Love.
Makes sense. I’m starting to think Benkhert is better than Love.
Based on preseason, he is.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 09 Jun 2022 19:49
by Drj820
wallyuwl wrote: ↑09 Jun 2022 17:13
Drj820 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2022 17:08
wallyuwl wrote: ↑09 Jun 2022 16:32
So 17 thinks Carr is better than Love.
Makes sense. I’m starting to think Benkhert is better than Love.
Based on preseason, he is.
Adams played with Love in KC. He knows Love sucks.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 09 Jun 2022 20:42
by NCF
Drj820 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2022 19:49
wallyuwl wrote: ↑09 Jun 2022 17:13
Drj820 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2022 17:08
Makes sense. I’m starting to think Benkhert is better than Love.
Based on preseason, he is.
Adams played with Love in KC. He knows Love sucks.
Driver and Jennings played with Rodgers when he sucked. Sometimes it gets better.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 09 Jun 2022 20:57
by Drj820
NCF wrote: ↑09 Jun 2022 20:42
Drj820 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2022 19:49
wallyuwl wrote: ↑09 Jun 2022 17:13
Based on preseason, he is.
Adams played with Love in KC. He knows Love sucks.
Driver and Jennings played with Rodgers when he sucked. Sometimes it gets better.
Sometimes, yes.
But cmon....Adams comments were quite damning.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 09 Jun 2022 21:06
by YoHoChecko
Drj820 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2022 20:57
But cmon....Adams comments were quite damning.
I don't get it, truly.
Like Adams
definitely prefers playing with Carr than Love. He definitely thinks his career is better served with Carr than Love. I agree with you. But how damning is that? A 2nd-year with 1 start versus a guy who is in the league's top ten conversation? Absolutely.
Like I'm feeling pretty pessimistic on Love these days, but "I prefer Derrick Carr, my college QB and best friend, a top 10-12 QB in the league, over a completely unproven Jordan Love after two years?" This is not revelatory information. You'd be nuts not to think Carr is a safer route to stats at this point.