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go pak go wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2021 13:01

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2021 12:36

go pak go wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2021 12:29

No it will be.

I think it depends on expectations.

Like I expect Rodgers and Adams to not be a Packer. I don't think others have that same expectation. The easy "fat" is Rodgers, Preston, Lowry, Cobb. If you move on from those, that is as you stated, $43 million in savings. So you only have $5 million to go. The easy thing then is extend Z. and we are under the cap.

For the exception that we also need to fill like 4 roster spots just to get to the "top 51".

So really what I expect our 2022 roster to look like is an 12less, 17less, 91less, 94less roster. We also decide what to do with Z Smith to probably make the rest of the room (whether extend or cut).

We then decide between MVS/Cobb or FA and then basically buy garbage people/draft everyone else to replace them.

We literally just recommended the same moves and I called it "not a bloodbath" and you re-asserted that yes, it will be one.

Losing Rodgers and Adams is obviously HUGE. But that's the transition we're making. Losing Preston and Lowry don't move the needle a ton in terms of the talent level of our team. If we extend Z and make those moves, I like where we are. Yeah, fill out that roster with draft picks and minimum contracts. That's how it works.

And yeah, I'd like to extend MVS as a deep threat role player. It's tight, but it's not, like, an apocalypse. It's a fairly routine transition year in my eyes.

Yup. I agree. But it's because you and I already have the expectation of these guys not being Packers.

You put Yoop though in February 2022 and tell him what's gonna happen and he is gonna freak out (he has already lamented about it in Adams Contract Talk threads). The nostalgic fans are not gonna like our 2022 roster.

DrJ already talked about how "junk" our WR corps is going to be next year.

It depends on how you define bloodbath. We are going to lose players that have been absolute key linch pins the last three years. But I also believe we will have enough of a foundation to set up our next window quite quickly (like I think this team could be raring to go by 2023 if Love is up to it).

For me, the 2022 roster is all about keeping guys you believe will be contributors for that 2023 - 2025 run and make sense financially.

I expect our 2022 roster to be a .500 to 11 win roster (depending on Jordan Love). Whereas this year, even with Love, I look at this roster as a 11+ win roster.

We are also not mentioning guys we may not afford to bring back like Robert Tonyan and (Allen Lazard?). I believe they finally are UFA's after this season?

Drj820 wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2021 13:09

I would just say I think most people realize Rodgers is gone after this year at this point, Adams is still TBD...but I fully agree with YoHos analysis of how the situation is fixable and it’s just things that involve a transition...and even with that said, I still think a WR room of Lazard, MVS, Amari, Maybe Cobb, Funchess, and a new draft pick is dio doo.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2021 13:09

I also don’t think the WR room being awful has as much to do with cap space as it does just general lack of preparation or contingency plan for if Adams leaves. I would like to save the cap space and let Adams get rich somewhere else, even though I love the guy...but the team does seem to be trying to keep him. I think they know how awful the WR room is without him.

go pak go wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2021 13:20

Drj820 wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2021 13:09

I also don’t think the WR room being awful has as much to do with cap space as it does just general lack of preparation or contingency plan for if Adams leaves. I would like to save the cap space and let Adams get rich somewhere else, even though I love the guy...but the team does seem to be trying to keep him. I think they know how awful the WR room is without him.

Yeah that's easy to say.

But if we drafted WR at some point in 2019 or 2020 we would then complain about lack of depth at RB, Oline, Safety, Pass Rush, etc.

The two postiions you could point to and say we have too much in that group are Oline and Pass rush. Both seem to have lots of injuries and both will likely need the depth we have.

Also, Gary was bashed for poor use of resources. But Gary in 2022 will be might nice to have step in seamlessly when we move on from one or both of the Smiths.

The 2022 Packers WR Group will be below average. But our team is transitioning to a run type team anyways. I am not too concerned of a bad WR room for a year. One good draft pick and the room is really good again in 2023.

I've always felt like Pass Rushers are harder to find in a draft than a WR. If you have a top 20 pick, you have a great chance of getting to draft a really good WR.

go pak go wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2021 13:20

Drj820 wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2021 13:09

I also don’t think the WR room being awful has as much to do with cap space as it does just general lack of preparation or contingency plan for if Adams leaves. I would like to save the cap space and let Adams get rich somewhere else, even though I love the guy...but the team does seem to be trying to keep him. I think they know how awful the WR room is without him.

Yeah that's easy to say.

But if we drafted WR at some point in 2019 or 2020 we would then complain about lack of depth at RB, Oline, Safety, Pass Rush, etc.

The two postiions you could point to and say we have too much in that group are Oline and Pass rush. Both seem to have lots of injuries and both will likely need the depth we have.

Also, Gary was bashed for poor use of resources. But Gary in 2022 will be might nice to have step in seamlessly when we move on from one or both of the Smiths.

The 2022 Packers WR Group will be below average. But our team is transitioning to a run type team anyways. I am not too concerned of a bad WR room for a year. One good draft pick and the room is really good again in 2023.

I've always felt like Pass Rushers are harder to find in a draft than a WR. If you have a top 20 pick, you have a great chance of getting to draft a really good WR.

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2021 13:51

Having a really good receiving TE and the best receiving RB in the league makes up for a lot regarding WR's. Particularly if your team is a run first offense and your #2 WR's primary job is to block like a TE.

Lets worry about 2022 in the draft and next offseason. Plenty of things can happen before this time next year to make this a non-issue.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2021 01:51

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2021 13:51

Having a really good receiving TE and the best receiving RB in the league makes up for a lot regarding WR's. Particularly if your team is a run first offense and your #2 WR's primary job is to block like a TE.

Lets worry about 2022 in the draft and next offseason. Plenty of things can happen before this time next year to make this a non-issue.

We got CMC?

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2021 03:40

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2021 01:51

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2021 13:51

Having a really good receiving TE and the best receiving RB in the league makes up for a lot regarding WR's. Particularly if your team is a run first offense and your #2 WR's primary job is to block like a TE.

Lets worry about 2022 in the draft and next offseason. Plenty of things can happen before this time next year to make this a non-issue.

We got CMC?

Jones is a better receiver than McCaffrey. Wish people would not use initials for teams other than the Packers.

BF004 wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2021 06:47

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2021 03:40

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2021 01:51

We got CMC?

Jones is a better receiver than McCaffrey. Wish people would not use initials for teams other than the Packers.

No, he absolutely is not.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2021 09:02

I completely understand enjoying what we have this year and not talking about potential perils of 2022, but we are discussing resigning adams and looking at what life might be like without him. On that note, I don’t care if you want to run the ball 75% of the time and your rbs can catch, this isn’t 1972. You need the threat of passing in the league to keep 8 guys out of the box. We certainly will need to draft and quickly develop someone with a high ceiling, find a way to bring in someone, or we will not be setting Love up for success until we do.

That said, I like what we have in 2021. Amari is that dude.

salmar80 wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2021 09:31

Drj820 wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2021 09:02

I completely understand enjoying what we have this year and not talking about potential perils of 2022, but we are discussing resigning adams and looking at what life might be like without him. On that note, I don’t care if you want to run the ball 75% of the time and your rbs can catch, this isn’t 1972. You need the threat of passing in the league to keep 8 guys out of the box. We certainly will need to draft and quickly develop someone with a high ceiling, find a way to bring in someone, or we will not be setting Love up for success until we do.

That said, I like what we have in 2021. Amari is that dude.

All-in has a cost. A high one. Would not be all-in without it.

Love just isn't going to have everything in his first year starting that AR has this season.

Keeping Adams is possible, but just barely. If we do so, there will be tough cuts to the D and to the depth. I dunno if Adams wants to gamble it, depends on the other possibilities for him.

What I'm very happy about is that Love is gonna have a Oline and running game to support him. Likely fine TEs, too. First year starting behind a bad Oline and being forced to pass is the worst combo you can do to a young QB. A great stable WRs and no time to throw is gonna end badly.

You want weapons for the passing game, too, but we just may have to go young there. Luckily colleges produce way more ready-to-contribute WRs than OL or TEs.

go pak go wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2021 09:57

salmar80 wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2021 09:31

Drj820 wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2021 09:02

I completely understand enjoying what we have this year and not talking about potential perils of 2022, but we are discussing resigning adams and looking at what life might be like without him. On that note, I don’t care if you want to run the ball 75% of the time and your rbs can catch, this isn’t 1972. You need the threat of passing in the league to keep 8 guys out of the box. We certainly will need to draft and quickly develop someone with a high ceiling, find a way to bring in someone, or we will not be setting Love up for success until we do.

That said, I like what we have in 2021. Amari is that dude.

All-in has a cost. A high one. Would not be all-in without it.

Love just isn't going to have everything in his first year starting that AR has this season.

Keeping Adams is possible, but just barely. If we do so, there will be tough cuts to the D and to the depth. I dunno if Adams wants to gamble it, depends on the other possibilities for him.

What I'm very happy about is that Love is gonna have a Oline and running game to support him. Likely fine TEs, too. First year starting behind a bad Oline and being forced to pass is the worst combo you can do to a young QB. A great stable WRs and no time to throw is gonna end badly.

You want weapons for the passing game, too, but we just may have to go young there. Luckily colleges produce way more ready-to-contribute WRs than OL or TEs.

This is a really good post.

salmar80 wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2021 10:07

go pak go wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2021 09:57

salmar80 wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2021 09:31

All-in has a cost. A high one. Would not be all-in without it.

Love just isn't going to have everything in his first year starting that AR has this season.

Keeping Adams is possible, but just barely. If we do so, there will be tough cuts to the D and to the depth. I dunno if Adams wants to gamble it, depends on the other possibilities for him.

What I'm very happy about is that Love is gonna have a Oline and running game to support him. Likely fine TEs, too. First year starting behind a bad Oline and being forced to pass is the worst combo you can do to a young QB. A great stable WRs and no time to throw is gonna end badly.

You want weapons for the passing game, too, but we just may have to go young there. Luckily colleges produce way more ready-to-contribute WRs than OL or TEs.

This is a really good post.

Thanks, but I forgot: Love will also have an entrenched offensive-minded HC, who has shown great adaptability and innovation. No musical chairs at offensive scheme builders in the horizon.

I'd like to say he'd also have a steady and talented front office, but Gutey may have the hottest seat for any GM with comparable success ever.

BF004 wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2021 13:52

#NeverForgot

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2021 15:06

Hold up you’re telling me JustJeffs name wasn’t Jeff…

paco wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2021 15:59

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2021 16:13

paco wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2021 15:59

I had high hopes for him. Gutey has now drafted 2 lineman that just up and called it quits.

I mean I guess they’re young guys but why declare for the draft if you don’t intend to play.