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YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023 00:47

And I'm also not saying it's a BAD signing.

ehhhh, sure seems like thats what your saying to me.

I love this, this is leaving no stone unturned, they just spent a ton on a QB, and some support players in Lazard, Cobb, OL, and now there making sure they have a well stocked RB group.
Cook will become there feature RB, this is what a " all in" team does, I've always believed that one player can make the difference, ya just never know that unless ya bring them aboard, but we never even tried, I think you where the guy most in with Watkins, he hadn't done anything in about 3 years, ya can't compare him to Cooks, not even a little bit.

we never dangled a Cook caliber player to see if Rodgers would take a pay cut, Cook has been rumored to the Jets for a month, after the Jets showed interest Rodgers took a pay cut, ( was rumored he would regardless though) I can't think of any player the Packers brought in that even compares, maybe that TE Bennet, and even he doesn't tip the scales like Cook does for the Jets.
Cook averages a 120 yrds a game, every game, the Jets will figure out how to max that out.

the best teams year in year out have a do it all skill position player, we have Aaron Jones, thats what Cooks is and will be for the Jets.
yes the draft is churning out these type RB's each year, same with starting caliber WR's, to me it doesn't matter who produces, all that matters is that they do, and thats what ya pay for, RB yards are the cheapest yards at the football market, Cook, just like Jones for us is a great bargain.

If you’ve got the money and you can’t find a LT to buy, why not buy cook. It’s just a one year deal. I think he is still very good for one year. Not like they signed him for 4. Adding someone like dalvin can’t hurt your SB chances, that’s for sure!

Not everything has to be the most prudent move, sometimes you just have the money and want to buy a dude. Injuries happen all the time. What seems like too much talent at one position can easily become a thin position.

And with that sketchy pass protection, this team is gonna need to run the ball and play defense a lot.

Good signing .

The Bills will win the AFC East.

Yoop wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023 06:24

Cook will become there feature RB, this is what a " all in" team does, I've always believed that one player can make the difference, ya just never know that unless ya bring them aboard

As YoHo pretty much summarized, this is a big name depth signing. He will not become their feature RB if Breece Hall comes back healthy. I think with all the wear and tear this is the perfect role for Cook and I don't want to minimize his potential impact, but this is not some top of the roster addition. It's just not.

Do you take a shot on one guy now in a position that could be filled on the cheap, or do you hang on to that money and see what vets are cut loose on the 29th? Every team is dumping 37 players. That 8 mill could net 3 vets in positions of need. I'd be holding onto that cash for now. Cook would probably still be there and even cheaper at the cut.

NCF wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023 07:39

Yoop wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023 06:24

Cook will become there feature RB, this is what a " all in" team does, I've always believed that one player can make the difference, ya just never know that unless ya bring them aboard

As YoHo pretty much summarized, this is a big name depth signing. He will not become their feature RB if Breece Hall comes back healthy. I think with all the wear and tear this is the perfect role for Cook and I don't want to minimize his potential impact, but this is not some top of the roster addition. It's just not.

thats the thing though, Breece Hall may not come back to be the same player he was to start his rookie season, at least not right away, Cooks has a resume of 12 to 1500 yrd seasons, he's a shifty runner as well as a competent receiver, imo he'll get a ton of touches even if Hall is healthy, why isn't a 1500 yrd player considered a top of the roster player

nahhhh, both Hall and Cook imho will play a lot of snaps on the field at the same time, it's like what we should have been doing more of early under McCarthy with Jones and Williams, both where good runners with very good receiving skills, never figured out why Mike back burnered those two, then cut Williams, I like Dillon, but it's not as though we replaced a declining Williams.

having both Hall and Cooks if used properly could bang out 2500 to 3000 yrds this season, to me thats top of the roster production.

Yoop wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023 08:06

having both Hall and Cooks if used properly could bang out 2500 to 3000 yrds this season, to me thats top of the roster production.

OK, if they go for 2,500 yards, I owe you a Coke.

salmar80 wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023 06:04

Spending resources on RBs when AR was in GB = horrible waste, RBs are low value and not weapons for AR

Another team spending resources on RBs when AR is there = utter brilliance, RBs are bestest and key weapons for AR



Man, do you see that grass over there? On the other side of that fence? Soooo green, so shiny!

Yeah, funny how RBs count as weapons/help for the O now but not last year as the team with the best RB stable in the league.

NCF wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023 08:11

Yoop wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023 08:06

having both Hall and Cooks if used properly could bang out 2500 to 3000 yrds this season, to me thats top of the roster production.

OK, if they go for 2,500 yards, I owe you a Coke.

haha, I'll take that Coke, and gladly return that favor, basically thats what we've been getting from Jones and Dillon, or there abouts, imho, if ya want to play hurry up ball then having two scheme diverse RB's is a must.

basically these days ya got 2.7 ticks to get rid of the ball, that amounts to a quick look at a couple routes and decide who to go to, the 3rd is a dump off to the RB or TE, there is no time for much else.

if you got another good RB on a rookie contract then appr. 10 mil on another 1500 yrd prospect is chump change, as long as ya use him enough to get that production.

we leave so much yrdage on the table between Jones and Dillon, same way we did with Jones and Williams, I know it was in hopes of extending there careers, was the trade off worth it?

Labrev wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023 08:17

salmar80 wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023 06:04

Spending resources on RBs when AR was in GB = horrible waste, RBs are low value and not weapons for AR

Another team spending resources on RBs when AR is there = utter brilliance, RBs are bestest and key weapons for AR



Man, do you see that grass over there? On the other side of that fence? Soooo green, so shiny!

Yeah, funny how RBs count as weapons/help for the O now but not last year as the team with the best RB stable in the league.

and Lafleur said, we didn't use Jones enough.

you have a habit of twisting anything I say to suit your agenda, there where times when the run wasn't moving the chains, as well as obvious mis cues with blocking, still Lafleur did say that should not have amounted to using the run less.

folks here are discounting RB production and the position, when has that position not been considered a weapon? the only positions in football that can possibly provide cheaper production are Kicker and return specialist

Drj820 wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023 06:50

If you’ve got the money and you can’t find a LT to buy, why not buy cook. It’s just a one year deal. I think he is still very good for one year. Not like they signed him for 4. Adding someone like dalvin can’t hurt your SB chances, that’s for sure!

Not everything has to be the most prudent move, sometimes you just have the money and want to buy a dude. Injuries happen all the time. What seems like too much talent at one position can easily become a thin position.

And with that sketchy pass protection, this team is gonna need to run the ball and play defense a lot.

Good signing .

Speaking of prudent moves, this post is much more prudent than the one that made this about the Packers front office by saying "Some teams will use cap space to acquire as many playmakers as they can. Some won’t."

That's the commentary I am responding to.

Again, I never said it was a bad pick-up or one they will regret. My posts are to push back on the narrative that it's a top-line signing of a playmaker in a way that other teams--including our own--aren't doing.

He's a depth piece with noticeably declining play over the past 2 seasons who can still provide juice in small numbers. Did they Jets have bigger needs than RB2? Yes. Did the Jets have better options to sign with that money than a RB? I dunno.

But as others were saying, I'd rather add RB depth through the glut of cuts upcoming and spent any cash resources on other positions. But that's subjective. This signing is fine. It just shouldn't be treated like it's going to move the needle one way or the other for this Jets team. I would have no more or less faith in the Jets' chances and their offense if they grabbed whichever RB we cut next week off of waivers between Goodson and Wilson. I just don't think this affects the team, and I am pushing back because people are praising what I see as a run-of-the mill gamble on a declining name player.

If I were a Jets fan, I would for sure have hope that we see some 2020 Cook and that last season was mostly a temporary blip due to a shoulder injury making him play more controlled and reserved. But I hope I would know better than to count on it. But maybe not. Some lessons you gotta learn more than once.

Yoop wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023 08:59

Labrev wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023 08:17

Yeah, funny how RBs count as weapons/help for the O now but not last year as the team with the best RB stable in the league.

and Lafleur said, we didn't use Jones enough.

you have a habit of twisting anything I say to suit your agenda, there where times when the run wasn't moving the chains, as well as obvious mis cues with blocking, still Lafleur did say that should not have amounted to using the run less.

It doesn't matter if you said it or not. Many people here definitely had a dismissive attitude towards the fact that we had a great RB stable that are now turning around and soying out about NYJ signing Dalvin Cook. That is a true statement even if you were not one of those people, because many people who did still exist.

People here say it all the time about our 2020 Draft, because no WRs. If you say that, then YES, you *are* saying that -only- WRs count as weapons on O, and that RBs (and TEs) do not. Okay, well by that WR-centric thinking, Dalvin Cook is not a weapon.

I just don't see the decline your describing Yoho, the Jets never used him as we did Jones as a receiver, and there are plenty of variables that can account for run decline, which seems minimal

as with just about everything we do on offense, we get more production per play from our players, Jones ran less with a higher per play averages, same with receiving, so it comes down to how a player is used I think.

I'am a pass first fan, but have always felt we left a lot of run yards in the playbook instead of on the field, heck McCarthy's motto ( run to keep the defense honest) carried over sometimes with Lafleur, or Rodgers it seemed.

I see this Jets signing in that light, both RB's can run for over a K and both can produce 300 yrds receiving, or even more, to me that is top line offensive production, just as it would be for 2 very good WR's

Labrev wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023 09:42

Yoop wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023 08:59

Labrev wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023 08:17

Yeah, funny how RBs count as weapons/help for the O now but not last year as the team with the best RB stable in the league.

and Lafleur said, we didn't use Jones enough.

you have a habit of twisting anything I say to suit your agenda, there where times when the run wasn't moving the chains, as well as obvious mis cues with blocking, still Lafleur did say that should not have amounted to using the run less.

It doesn't matter if you said it or not. Many people here definitely had a dismissive attitude towards the fact that we had a great RB stable that are now turning around and soying out about NYJ signing Dalvin Cook. That is a true statement even if you were not one of those people, because many people who did still exist.

People here say it all the time about our 2020 Draft, because no WRs. If you say that, then YES, you *are* saying that -only- WRs count as weapons on O, and that RBs (and TEs) do not. Okay, well by that WR-centric thinking, Dalvin Cook is not a weapon.

are you seriously saying because I didn't mention our RB's that I didn't consider them WEAPONS?

I can't even follow the rest of your remark

do you mean? a hell, I have no idea what you mean

lets put it this way, RB's are not enough, having two RB's is still not enough, it's a passing league, yes RB's do also catch football, but they do not replace a bonafide combine approved wide receiver

Yoop wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023 09:46

I just don't see the decline your describing Yoho, the Jets never used him as we did Jones as a receiver, and there are plenty of variables that can account for run decline, which seems minimal

Mike my man, I posted a whole article articulating specifically where the advanced metrics are seeing decline and each section discussed how that plays out or compares to the eye test watching the tape. If you don't "see" the decline, then you're simply ignoring evidence.

Obviously, the Vikings saw the decline, and cut him. The league saw the decline and left him floundering in free agency for 2 months. And the jets, even, saw enough of a decline that he is being paid a performance-incentive-based $8 million (that will almost definitely wind up being closer to $6 million) compared to the $14 million he was originally owed this year.

I'm just not sure what has to happen for people to believe that someone with a big recognizable name and past performance of devastating explosiveness just isn't the same player anymore if we have ALL these points to share and it still isn't penetrating

Spoiler

The only solution I can think of to have the specific group of people on here and around the internet that are insisting that this is a big signing for the Jets is to have the Packers sign him--then suddenly they'll realize that Cook maybe isn't the same player, doesn't have a starting role on his newly-signed team, and probably wasn't the preferred use of resources.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023 09:56

Mike my man, I posted a whole article articulating specifically where the advanced metrics are seeing decline and each section discussed how that plays out or compares to the eye test watching the tape. If you don't "see" the decline, then you're simply ignoring evidence.

I'll never be as up to date concerning analytics as you, and I read your post twice, and I admit his last season with the Vikes did show decline, but again minimal.

I look at Cooks as cheap production, the Vikes dropped him mostly do to his contract, and across the league we are seeing teams stone walling RB's do 2nd contracts or RB's on the last year with big money do them.

the Jets got Cooks for less then they paid Lazard, less then KC paid for MVS, and I'd bet you a 16 OZ Cherry Coke ( you and NCS can share) that Cooks out produces both this season, not only do I think Cooks will get that 8 mil. this year, I expect he may get that again in 2024, I'am still convinced that GM's pay for production, it's just cheaper now to do it with RB's then it was a couple years back.

Yoop wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023 09:53

I can't even follow the rest of your remark

do you mean? a hell, I have no idea what you mean

I am talking about something other than you or your pet topics. Now your brain is broken. It's the meme of the glitching NPC that ran out of its pre-programmed dialogue lines, only real.

Yoop wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023 06:24

Cook averages a 120 yrds a game, every game, the Jets will figure out how to max that out.

If this were true, I'd be all-in on the signing. Unfortunately, it is not true.

Not sure where you got those numbers from but here is his yardage data for 2022 and beyond:

2022:
Rushing: 1173 yds
Receiving: + 295 yds
Total = 1468 yds

Games: 17

Yards/Game (2022) = 86.3 yds/gm

Career:
Rushing: 5993 yds
Receiving: + 1794 yds
Total = 7787 yds

Games: 73

Yards/Game (Career) = 106.6 yds/gm

And that was as the established no.1 RB in a favorable scheme. He'll be lucky to get half the yards/game he saw in Minny.

APB wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023 12:12

Yoop wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023 06:24

Cook averages a 120 yrds a game, every game, the Jets will figure out how to max that out.

If this were true, I'd be all-in on the signing. Unfortunately, it is not true.

Not sure where you got those numbers from but here is his yardage data for 2022:

Rushing: 1173 yds
Receiving: + 295 yds
Total = 1468 yds

Games: 17

Yards/Game = 86.3 yds/gm

And that was as the established no.1 RB in a favorable scheme. He'll be lucky to get half the yards/game he saw in Minny.

4 games last season he eclipsed 120 total yards. 4 games in 2021 he eclipsed 120 total yards. 7 in 2020. 7 in 2019. 1 in 2018. 1 in 2017.