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Yoop wrote: ↑

25 Apr 2022 08:23

go pak go wrote: ↑

25 Apr 2022 07:06

Labrev wrote: ↑

24 Apr 2022 21:56

Brett Kollman did an OL video that made me pretty okay with taking Johnson, could be a nice piece inside while Jenkins moves over to RT. At 28, would not mind the pick.

But man, if I didn't have a serious man-crush on Kenyon Green before watching it, I definitely do now. He's pretty much like "put him at G, point him at the opposing defense and tell him, 'go kill some people' -!"

I want that on our OL. I want it something fierce.

As far as immediate impact, I think a mauler and dominant Olineman (guard) will bring more dividends to the 2022 Green Bay Packers than a 1st Round WR will.

Jenkins was a freak in the 2nd round, all rookie team, probably one of the best G/T's the team has ever drafted, this is not the normal, there are several quality G prospects in this class, imo it's debatable that they will have the rookie season of Elkton.

So you start by giving guards a qualifier noting that Elgton Jenkins was a freak and an outlier...not normal.

But then immediately follow that up with Justin Jefferson to justify the WR position. One who is also known as a freak, not normal, had a comparable first 2 years as Randy Moss in MN (Randy largely regarded as the best rookie WR to enter the game), etc.

....okay yoop.

Yeah, it is truly bananas to me how often people say "WRs these days can come right in and make an impact like Chase and Jefferson" ignoring that literally 5 WRs are drafted in the first every year and there are 2-3 examples that get relied on as proof (CeeDee Lamb being the sometimes third).

It remains an outlier for a rookie WR to be truly impactful as a starter (rather than "good year for a rookie" impactful)

That said I am out out out on Green. A first round iOL with subpar athleticism? Absolutely not. You want a mauler at guard? Take Cole Strange in the 3rd. You don't spend first round picks on subpar athletes at non-premium positions. That is madness.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

25 Apr 2022 11:37

Yeah, it is truly bananas to me how often people say "WRs these days can come right in and make an impact like Chase and Jefferson" ignoring that literally 5 WRs are drafted in the first every year and there are 2-3 examples that get relied on as proof (CeeDee Lamb being the sometimes third).

It remains an outlier for a rookie WR to be truly impactful as a starter (rather than "good year for a rookie" impactful)

That said I am out out out on Green. A first round iOL with subpar athleticism? Absolutely not. You want a mauler at guard? Take Cole Strange in the 3rd. You don't spend first round picks on subpar athletes at non-premium positions. That is madness.

Yeah.

Zion Johnson I would be excited about at 28. But a no on Green for me.

There have been 77 wide receivers taken in the first round of the draft this century. The most taken in any year was seven in 2004. Six times there have been six or more wide receivers taken in the first round, but over the past decade, the number of first-round wideouts has been consistently lower than six.

So now we get into the discussion of what makes a first-round pick at WR a successful pick?

If you use first-team All Pro selections, then only nine of the 77 first-round picks have qualified and only eight of those were as wide receivers (Corderelle Patterson made first team All Pro as a punt/kickoff returner).

If you use first team Pro Bowl selections, then 21 of these first-round wide receivers have done that. Here’s the full table with current career stats for those who are still playing:

https://www.milehighreport.com/2020/4/2 ... eivers-thi

thats 30 of the 77 taken in round one that made the PB or better or about 40%, 19 where busts that leaves 28 that had at least some sort of production, I never said whomever we chose in the first had to become chase or Jefferson.

but the Vikings used Jefferson about the same as we would have, the Vikes used the wide zone PA offense that we do, just look at the success Tae had out of the slot, same with JJ, anyone that tells me we shouldn't expect those type of results from Olave, Williams, or Wilson is blowing smoke screens, they are prototypical slotsters.

the schemes are what separates the successful guys like Jefferson from others

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

25 Apr 2022 11:37

You want a mauler at guard? Take Cole Strange in the 3rd.

I don't want "a mauler at guard." That's what you and go pak go want. *I* want THEE Mauler at Guard. We are not the same.

So yeah, I don't want Cole Strange in the 3rd or Ethan Cabbage in the 5th or whoever else. You do. *I* want The Dude in Round 1.

Labrev wrote: ↑

25 Apr 2022 12:55

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

25 Apr 2022 11:37

You want a mauler at guard? Take Cole Strange in the 3rd.

I don't want "a mauler at guard." That's what you and go pak go want. *I* want THEE Mauler at Guard. We are not the same.

So yeah, I don't want Cole Strange in the 3rd or Ethan Cabbage in the 5th or whoever else. You do. *I* want The Dude in Round 1.

I think THEE guy is Tyler Smith in this draft. I'd be happy with him at 28, I think he belongs in the first and probably doesn't last till then.

BF004 wrote: ↑

25 Apr 2022 13:00

I think THEE guy is Tyler Smith in this draft. I'd be happy with him at 28, I think he belongs in the first and probably doesn't last till then.

*snip*

Yeah he's interesting for sure, a little scary though. Andy Herman's video says he needs to rework his technique from the ground up.

You love to see aggression out of an OL, but there comes a point where you have to rein it in and keep the technique under control. I'm glad we brought him in for a visit because that's a guy you need to assess on a personal level.

as the wise msmre once said, OL should be assassins, not rabid dogs.

I think I would be comfortable with Olave at 22 if he is still there. 3 sport athlete in high school and didn't play wr ever until his junior year. Just listened to an interview with him on Rome and enjoyed what he had to say. He may go b4 22 me thinks though with all the wr buzz.

Labrev wrote: ↑

25 Apr 2022 13:16

Yeah he's interesting for sure, a little scary though. Andy Herman's video says he needs to rework his technique from the ground up.

You love to see aggression out of an OL, but there comes a point where you have to rein it in and keep the technique under control. I'm glad we brought him in for a visit because that's a guy you need to assess on a personal level.

as the wise msmre once said, OL should be assassins, not rabid dogs.

Wait, but aren't you yearning for the leaner with 7 penalties this year?

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

25 Apr 2022 13:47

Labrev wrote: ↑

25 Apr 2022 13:16

Yeah he's interesting for sure, a little scary though. Andy Herman's video says he needs to rework his technique from the ground up.

You love to see aggression out of an OL, but there comes a point where you have to rein it in and keep the technique under control. I'm glad we brought him in for a visit because that's a guy you need to assess on a personal level.

as the wise msmre once said, OL should be assassins, not rabid dogs.

Wait, but aren't you yearning for the leaner with 7 penalties this year?

Penalties are just the tip of the iceberg with over-aggressive play, and less of a concern to me with Smith as him just flat-out being a liability in pass pro (or even in the run for that matter if savvy defenders can exploit his sloppy play). And not a concern to me with Green.

If the play is otherwise clean, I can accept penalties from time to time if the aggression is within an acceptable range -- small price to pay for taking the other team's will to fight away and running/passing all over them.

Labrev wrote: ↑

25 Apr 2022 13:16

as the wise msmre once said, OL should be assassins, not rabid dogs.

Now there is a call back that I have not heard in a really long time.

paco wrote: ↑

25 Apr 2022 17:27

why would the league shut that down

Can't trade a tagged player for another player.

So how do people feel if we give up a 2nd and give a soon to be 30 year old TE(a damn good one), over $14M/year?

paco wrote: ↑

25 Apr 2022 17:39

So how do people feel if we give up a 2nd and give a soon to be 30 year old TE(a damn good one), over $14M/year?

Not as good as before I realized he was that old. The Baltimore/Hendrickson connection does make me wonder, though.

Waller for a 2 when you only have Rodgers for few more years and the only satisfactory result is a Súper bowl is a no brainer

I would pass on Waller.

A 2nd and the money is too rich. We don't have much money so I would like to keep it.

I just think the value we get of Bobert Tonyan on the cheap and potential resign is better value for us.

go pak go wrote: ↑

25 Apr 2022 18:29

I would pass on Waller.

A 2nd and the money is too rich. We don't have much money so I would like to keep it.

I just think the value we get of Bobert Tonyan on the cheap and potential resign is better value for us.

Robert Tonyan had 200 yards receiving last year through 8 games, pre knee injury.

Big NO on that trade. Don't give Rodgers good receivers, take them away from him.