Packers Huddle

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

05 May 2021 20:02

MVS showed up and balled out against the Bucs. Hes got nothing to be ashamed of the way he played that game. Adams needed to be better with the opportunities he had considering the Bucs did everything they could to take him away. Lazard had the worst game Ive seen from a WR in a long time. Maybe since Adams struggle bus years.

Tampa pass rush rolled right over the OL, Rodger rarely had time to complete his route progressions, and when he did to often no one was open, a shifty slot WR is the answer for that, so obviously one could have made difference in that game,

Adams had about 10 or 11 catches in that game, for a measly 70 yrds or so, Tampa was not going to allow him to beat them, and the others couldn't get open quick enough to beat the pass rush, so of course I think a player like Ayuik, or our 3rd round choice this season could have helped us win

people act as though because we had the #1 offense, that a quality slot receiver, or another impact player like a RB wouldn't have changed anything, that goes against everything I know about the game, one play is often the only thing that decides a game, and against heavy pass rush the faster your receiver can get open the quicker the QB can get rid of the ball, also, a motion player freezes a defense for the split second it takes for MVS/ Adams/ etc to get a jump on the defender.

now Ervins stats don't quite show his effectiveness, ya wont see a stat for a jet sweep fake, yet that drags half the defense in that direction, and Ervin got 7 yrds every time he touched the ball, just enough that the defense had to honor every jet fake, so my thinking is that a better slot receiver wouldn't have faked it as often, and when he does it would hold the defense just a little longer.

seems like some of you are so bent on saying a slot guy wouldn't have mattered, and that in itself just makes no sense to me

The simple answer to the problems in the pass game against TB was once we got within a score with plenty of time was to pound AJ Dillon. The second round draft pick.

Now I am not sure who I should be mad at for that. Did Lafleur stop calling runs? Was Rodgers checking out of them bc he wanted to pass?

The answer to that ? Is who I place 75% of the blame for the loss on. The other 25% can be spread between king, Jones, Rodgers for not running on 3rd and 8, and adams for dropping Td passes.

Abandoning the run, like we always do when our a**** get tight bc we lack patience and Rodgers wants to play hero ball...is why we lost

I hope Rodgers comes back in 2021 so we can complain next spring how and why we lost the NFC Championship.

Probably will be because we only have one effective slot in Amari and we really needed 2.

BF004 wrote: ↑

05 May 2021 20:56

So according to that he is just making sure he leaves on his terms, not on the orgs. Make sense consider all he’s seen during his time in GB.

BF004 wrote: ↑

05 May 2021 20:56

Here is how you do it Aaron.

Play to your current contract.

Now that we have that settled....

Take away the feelings of the situation and the egos that have been bruised from all this.

If this all gets settled by giving Rodgers MORE money and extending him let say, 2 more years.

Who would say we try to do that?

Anyone want to stick with where it is now and plan to move on to Love?

Seems to me like an extension and a big check settles this. Might screw Love, or maybe just his first year starting is the year he is a 5th year tag.

What’s the mood?

Drj820 wrote: ↑

05 May 2021 20:58

BF004 wrote: ↑

05 May 2021 20:56

So according to that he is just making sure he leaves on his terms, not on the orgs. Make sense consider all he’s seen during his time in GB.

it's what I said all along, and what the FO doesn't seem to want to commit to, at least on paper, he wants to finish his contract and decide his future himself rather then being traded after 2022.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

05 May 2021 21:03

Take away the feelings of the situation and the egos that have been bruised from all this.

If this all gets settled by giving Rodgers MORE money and extending him let say, 2 more years.

Who would say we try to do that?

Anyone want to stick with where it is now and plan to move on to Love?

Seems to me like an extension and a big check settles this. Might screw Love, or maybe just his first year starting is the year he is a 5th year tag.

What’s the mood?

I am not all that excited in giving Rodgers more money.

I wouldn't mind working a deal where he is our guy until the 2023 season but that's about it and it would be with the caveat of reducing hi cap hits. And I primarily don't want to give Rodgers more money because our cap situation will be poor starting next year and moving forward. We simply won't be able to have a team that can go where we want to go so I view that as a great time to restart anyways.

Yoop wrote: ↑

05 May 2021 21:09

Drj820 wrote: ↑

05 May 2021 20:58

BF004 wrote: ↑

05 May 2021 20:56

So according to that he is just making sure he leaves on his terms, not on the orgs. Make sense consider all he’s seen during his time in GB.

it's what I said all along, and what the FO doesn't seem to want to commit to, at least on paper, he wants to finish his contract and decide his future himself rather then being traded after 2022.

He knows bad communicator Gutey wouldn’t say anything to him and he would wake up and find out he got traded from a schefter tweet

go pak go wrote: ↑

05 May 2021 21:11

Drj820 wrote: ↑

05 May 2021 21:03

Take away the feelings of the situation and the egos that have been bruised from all this.

If this all gets settled by giving Rodgers MORE money and extending him let say, 2 more years.

Who would say we try to do that?

Anyone want to stick with where it is now and plan to move on to Love?

Seems to me like an extension and a big check settles this. Might screw Love, or maybe just his first year starting is the year he is a 5th year tag.

What’s the mood?

I am not all that excited in giving Rodgers more money.

I wouldn't mind working a deal where he is our guy until the 2023 season but that's about it and it would be with the caveat of reducing hi cap hits. And I primarily don't want to give Rodgers more money because our cap situation will be poor starting next year and moving forward. We simply won't be able to have a team that can go where we want to go so I view that as a great time to restart anyways.

Yeah at some point Rodgers has to take the road that all the other super old guys have taken:

“we are almost billionaires, we are HOFers, we want rings...so I will take a little less now that I am almost 40 so that a guy like Corey linsley can continue to be my center”

I will change my answer about this several times.

Right now, I honestly don't feel like we can afford it unless we go much further out than I'm willing to.

Like he's already signed for 2021, 2022, and 2023

An extension that gives him "a ton of money" and is long enough to be spread it out probably has to add two years? 2024 and 2025? He'd be signed through age 42?

Having him signed through 40 always felt perfect for me. It's where I was comfortable. I'd feel comfortable making it guaranteed he's here through the end of that current deal and trying to squeeze a little more money into that timeframe

But like I said, I'll change my mind a zillion times on that.

bud fox wrote: ↑

05 May 2021 20:32

APB wrote: ↑

05 May 2021 20:11

bud fox wrote: Our receivers failed massively against the Bucs.

NFCCG Stats:

“Failed” Packers WRs: 28 targets / 17 receptions / 61% comp / 254 yds / 2 TD / 9.1 yds/att

“Fabled” Bucs WRs: 22 targets / 11 receptions / 50% comp / 213 yds / 2 TD / 9.7 yds/att

I mean, seriously. Did they play a flawless game? Absolutely not. Did they “fail massively” against a strong Bucs defense? Hardly. Arguing they did just makes you look foolish.

...er.

You are literally using stats in which the biggest influence is QB play.

They were not getting open. They had bad drops.

Bucs receivers were saving Brady's wishful sky high balls with unbelievable plays.

Very foolish by you.

So let me see if I got this...

Anything good happens, it’s the QB. Anything bad, it’s on the WRs.

Unless, of course, we’re talking about the Bucs. Then it’s the opposite.

Got it.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

05 May 2021 21:15

I will change my answer about this several times.

Right now, I honestly don't feel like we can afford it unless we go much further out than I'm willing to.

Like he's already signed for 2021, 2022, and 2023

An extension that gives him "a ton of money" and is long enough to be spread it out probably has to add two years? 2024 and 2025? He'd be signed through age 42?

Having him signed through 40 always felt perfect for me. It's where I was comfortable. I'd feel comfortable making it guaranteed he's here through the end of that current deal and trying to squeeze a little more money into that timeframe

But like I said, I'll change my mind a zillion times on that.

Is there any precedent for giving a qb a long extension that goes into their 40s? Feel like brees and Brady both were doing one to two year deals all the way up until they left or retired. And they seemed to want it that way.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

05 May 2021 21:22

Is there any precedent for giving a qb a long extension that goes into their 40s? Feel like brees and Brady both were doing one to two year deals all the way up until they left or retired. And they seemed to want it that way.

That's what's weird, right? Like, most guys here would WANT a deal structured like Rodgers' where you're toward the end of it, you have 1-2 years almost definitely left and then you take it 1-2 years at a time, both personally and contractually.

But the fact that he no longer had CONTROL over that (in his mind) because the team drafting Love ensured that his clock was started, rather than meaning at some point there's be a choice. Developing and showing off Love for 3 seasons and treading him for a return is not some unreasonable option if Aaron Rodgers is still saying "yeah I'm coming back"

But something about the scneario kept leaving Rodgers repeating that he was coming to grips with not having that control anymore. And this moment in his contract, before Love is evaluated and a known quantity, after the team has executed their free agency offseason plan to push chips in for one-two years... this was the TIME he picked that he could leverage to re-gain control.

I get the sense the Rodgers camp is seeing how poorly this is going from a PR standpoint and are looking to soften their stance a bit. If they can reframe this into just another contract renegotiation, it’s a lot easier to explain away in the aftermath.

You watch, he’ll get another payday and then finally go on record saying it was all overblown nonsense. Won’t have a clue where the leaks came from nor where the idea he’d never play for GB again came from. He loves the organization and the fans...THE FANS!! The absolute best fans! No way he wouldn’t relish the opportunity to play in front of the greatest fan base in sports!

Just you all wait, it’s coming...

I also have seen a lot of people that are close to Rodgers starting to say the leak wouldn’t have come from him, yet they did not say that early.

They just explained that they understand why he was mad.

Rodgers is losing the PR battle bad so far

Yeah, I think in a world of the current player-friendly media environment especially that a lot of people misjudged how this would play. Wilde on Twitter seems shocked fans are not taking Rodgers' side. Some people really read the room wrong.

Gute can’t communicate and he has suspect drafts, but fans overall seem to like him too. Feel like everyone thinks the “Fire the GM or trade me” deal was too dirty for most people. Nobody thinks Gute deserves that yet.

I think the jury is still out on Gute. Dont love him, don’t hate him. Don’t think he should be fired yet until we see what Love can do or more of his time as GM plays out.

APB wrote: ↑

05 May 2021 21:20

bud fox wrote: ↑

05 May 2021 20:32

APB wrote: ↑

05 May 2021 20:11

NFCCG Stats:

“Failed” Packers WRs: 28 targets / 17 receptions / 61% comp / 254 yds / 2 TD / 9.1 yds/att

“Fabled” Bucs WRs: 22 targets / 11 receptions / 50% comp / 213 yds / 2 TD / 9.7 yds/att

I mean, seriously. Did they play a flawless game? Absolutely not. Did they “fail massively” against a strong Bucs defense? Hardly. Arguing they did just makes you look foolish.

...er.

You are literally using stats in which the biggest influence is QB play.

They were not getting open. They had bad drops.

Bucs receivers were saving Brady's wishful sky high balls with unbelievable plays.

Very foolish by you.

So let me see if I got this...

Anything good happens, it’s the QB. Anything bad, it’s on the WRs.

Unless, of course, we’re talking about the Bucs. Then it’s the opposite.

Got it.

No you watch the game.

You obviously missed it.