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What is Mike Sherman's Packers legacy? He had Hall of Fame QBs and a darn good RB with Ahman Green.

Decent coach and even worse GM than Gute with the 12th pick in the 2019 draft.

I know. I didn't think that was possible either.

Fun fact. I was like twelve feet from Mike Sherman when the infamous “asleep at the combine” picture was taken. He was nodding off. It was real.

What’s the story behind Mikey getting named GM? Certainly wasn’t like a belichik who had just straight up earned the right to be GM if he demanded the role.

Always seemed out of character to give Sherman that much power.

I know he wasn’t great, but I always liked him as a guy. Seemed like a good dude.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2022 23:46

What’s the story behind Mikey getting named GM? Certainly wasn’t like a belichik who had just straight up earned the right to be GM if he demanded the role.

Always seemed out of character to give Sherman that much power.

I know he wasn’t great, but I always liked him as a guy. Seemed like a good dude.

Harlan retired after the 2003 renovation referendum was passed (I think it was passed in like 1998 and construction completed for the 2003 opener) convinced the board to give the GM job to Sherman.

go pak go wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2022 23:01

Decent coach and even worse GM than Gute with the 12th pick in the 2019 draft.

I know. I didn't think that was possible either.

Gary is FAR from Gute's worst first round pick, or any pick. You are short one year.

Decent enough coach, terrible GM. I also feel like a big part of his legacy is that he let Favre really be "the man" in Green Bay, and kind of let it get out of hand, in a way that set the stage for the issues that were Sherman's undoing and persisted after his time here.

That said, seemed like a nice enough guy who valued being part of this franchise. I will always have at least a modicum of respect for him after getting in Sapp's face about the cheap shot on Clifton.

wallyuwl wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022 00:31

go pak go wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2022 23:01

Decent coach and even worse GM than Gute with the 12th pick in the 2019 draft.

I know. I didn't think that was possible either.

Gary is FAR from Gute's worst first round pick, or any pick. You are short one year.

wallyuwl wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022 00:29

Drj820 wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2022 23:46

What’s the story behind Mikey getting named GM? Certainly wasn’t like a belichik who had just straight up earned the right to be GM if he demanded the role.

Always seemed out of character to give Sherman that much power.

I know he wasn’t great, but I always liked him as a guy. Seemed like a good dude.

Harland retired after the 2003 renovation referendum was passed (I think it was passed in like 1998 and construction completed for the 2003 opener) convinced the board to give the GM job to Sherman.

actually was around for the Ted hire in 05, the Packers owe a lot to Bob Harlan,

In addition to Wolf, Harlan also hired Ted Thompson as general manager in 2005. In all, Harlan worked for the Packers for 37 years. "He hired good people and let them run it," said Ron Wolf, Harlan's epoch-making hire.

Both Bob and Ron Wolf told Holmgren the org would never give the duel roll of GM and coach to one person again, two years later Wolf retired, and Bob promoted coach Sherman to GM,

always thought Sherman was a good coach, excellent OL coach, but not that good a GM

Yoop wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022 09:18

wallyuwl wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022 00:29

Drj820 wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2022 23:46

What’s the story behind Mikey getting named GM? Certainly wasn’t like a belichik who had just straight up earned the right to be GM if he demanded the role.

Always seemed out of character to give Sherman that much power.

I know he wasn’t great, but I always liked him as a guy. Seemed like a good dude.

Harland retired after the 2003 renovation referendum was passed (I think it was passed in like 1998 and construction completed for the 2003 opener) convinced the board to give the GM job to Sherman.

actually was around for the Ted hire in 05, the Packers owe a lot to Bob Harlan,

In addition to Wolf, Harlan also hired Ted Thompson as general manager in 2005. In all, Harlan worked for the Packers for 37 years. "He hired good people and let them run it," said Ron Wolf, Harlan's epoch-making hire.

Both Bob and Ron Wolf told Holmgren the org would never give the duel roll of GM and coach to one person again, two years later Wolf retired, and Bob promoted coach Sherman to GM,

always thought Sherman was a good coach, excellent OL coach, but not that good a GM

You would have thunk that the Packers management would have listened to Lombardi before giving Sherman the dual role. That was a blunderous move on the part of the Packers post-Wolf management. Was there ever any accountability of that bad decision? Same goes for the Devine hire.

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2022 07:09

Yoop wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022 09:18

wallyuwl wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022 00:29

Harland retired after the 2003 renovation referendum was passed (I think it was passed in like 1998 and construction completed for the 2003 opener) convinced the board to give the GM job to Sherman.

actually was around for the Ted hire in 05, the Packers owe a lot to Bob Harlan,

In addition to Wolf, Harlan also hired Ted Thompson as general manager in 2005. In all, Harlan worked for the Packers for 37 years. "He hired good people and let them run it," said Ron Wolf, Harlan's epoch-making hire.

Both Bob and Ron Wolf told Holmgren the org would never give the duel roll of GM and coach to one person again, two years later Wolf retired, and Bob promoted coach Sherman to GM,

always thought Sherman was a good coach, excellent OL coach, but not that good a GM

You would have thunk that the Packers management would have listened to Lombardi before giving Sherman the dual role. That was a blunderous move on the part of the Packers post-Wolf management. Was there ever any accountability of that bad decision? Same goes for the Devine hire.

We shouldn't have let Harlan retire. We should have fired him!!!!

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2022 07:09

Yoop wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022 09:18

wallyuwl wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022 00:29

Harland retired after the 2003 renovation referendum was passed (I think it was passed in like 1998 and construction completed for the 2003 opener) convinced the board to give the GM job to Sherman.

actually was around for the Ted hire in 05, the Packers owe a lot to Bob Harlan,

In addition to Wolf, Harlan also hired Ted Thompson as general manager in 2005. In all, Harlan worked for the Packers for 37 years. "He hired good people and let them run it," said Ron Wolf, Harlan's epoch-making hire.

Both Bob and Ron Wolf told Holmgren the org would never give the duel roll of GM and coach to one person again, two years later Wolf retired, and Bob promoted coach Sherman to GM,

always thought Sherman was a good coach, excellent OL coach, but not that good a GM

You would have thunk that the Packers management would have listened to Lombardi before giving Sherman the dual role. That was a blunderous move on the part of the Packers post-Wolf management. Was there ever any accountability of that bad decision? Same goes for the Devine hire.

It was a will of ego's, Holmgren wanted power over just being the coach, and Wolf refused to give it to him, the conclusion to it according to many including Ron Wolf was the loss of the SB to Denver because Holmgren was more focused on the future versus the present, as he spent part of the run up focused on Seattle, how true that is could be debated forever, Wolf called the loss a huge disappointment, and blamed it squarely on Mike Holmgren.

always like Holmgren, but I believed Ron Wolfs side of the story, thats all we heard leading up to that SB was about Holmgren and Seattle, that had to have a massive affect upon the players

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2022 07:09

Yoop wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022 09:18

wallyuwl wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022 00:29

Harland retired after the 2003 renovation referendum was passed (I think it was passed in like 1998 and construction completed for the 2003 opener) convinced the board to give the GM job to Sherman.

actually was around for the Ted hire in 05, the Packers owe a lot to Bob Harlan,

In addition to Wolf, Harlan also hired Ted Thompson as general manager in 2005. In all, Harlan worked for the Packers for 37 years. "He hired good people and let them run it," said Ron Wolf, Harlan's epoch-making hire.

Both Bob and Ron Wolf told Holmgren the org would never give the duel roll of GM and coach to one person again, two years later Wolf retired, and Bob promoted coach Sherman to GM,

always thought Sherman was a good coach, excellent OL coach, but not that good a GM

You would have thunk that the Packers management would have listened to Lombardi before giving Sherman the dual role. That was a blunderous move on the part of the Packers post-Wolf management. Was there ever any accountability of that bad decision? Same goes for the Devine hire.

Why did you post a photo of Bengston here and not Devine? Bengston was another mistake by this franchise but I doubt anyone would have succeeded in that situation. That team was getting very long in the tooth by the time Lombardi stepped down.

When I think of Sherman I only think of failure and missed opportunity. Sorry to him, because he seems like a respectable guy. But we wasted Favre's prime. Then he went to A&M and everyone here was excited but I told them not to get their hopes up. And then he only lasted a few years there too.

I had wondered if Sherman was not only the "last guy standing" as he was hired for GM, but the only guy standing. He never had any huge credentials that warranted giving him that position. And sure nuf, there was a huge exodus of talent with him at the helm. He might've been the worst GM of the Packers in my lifetime.

As a HC, he was probably a good rudder-holder; a coach that was never likely to guide you to the Super Bowl, but good enough to present a respectable team, especially with a HOF QB.

Pugger wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2022 11:16

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2022 07:09

Yoop wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022 09:18

actually was around for the Ted hire in 05, the Packers owe a lot to Bob Harlan,

In addition to Wolf, Harlan also hired Ted Thompson as general manager in 2005. In all, Harlan worked for the Packers for 37 years. "He hired good people and let them run it," said Ron Wolf, Harlan's epoch-making hire.

Both Bob and Ron Wolf told Holmgren the org would never give the duel roll of GM and coach to one person again, two years later Wolf retired, and Bob promoted coach Sherman to GM,

always thought Sherman was a good coach, excellent OL coach, but not that good a GM

You would have thunk that the Packers management would have listened to Lombardi before giving Sherman the dual role. That was a blunderous move on the part of the Packers post-Wolf management. Was there ever any accountability of that bad decision? Same goes for the Devine hire.

Why did you post a photo of Bengston here and not Devine? Bengston was another mistake by this franchise but I doubt anyone would have succeeded in that situation. That team was getting very long in the tooth by the time Lombardi stepped down.

I tried to find the actual speech on the internet but was unsuccessful. But if I recall what I heard Coach / GM Lombardi stated at the news conference when Phil Bengtson was announced as Head Coach .......... he said something to effect that it has become increasingly clear that one man can not do both jobs. Something like that. This is what I found on the internet after a quick search "Lombardi announced at a press conference that he was stepping down as coach of the Packers to concentrate on his duties as general manager. When he finished explaining his decision, he announced that Phil Bengtson would succeed him as head coach." Maybe others here have a more detailed account of what Coach / GM Lombardi said at the podium.

What's also interesting is "In February 1969, Lombardi became head coach and general manager of the Washington Redskins. The Redskins finished at 7–5–2, their first winning record since the 1955 season." I surmise that Vince just wanted to coach again. The GM and equity position with the Redskins was just the icing on the cake.

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2022 16:04

Pugger wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2022 11:16

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2022 07:09

You would have thunk that the Packers management would have listened to Lombardi before giving Sherman the dual role. That was a blunderous move on the part of the Packers post-Wolf management. Was there ever any accountability of that bad decision? Same goes for the Devine hire.

Why did you post a photo of Bengston here and not Devine? Bengston was another mistake by this franchise but I doubt anyone would have succeeded in that situation. That team was getting very long in the tooth by the time Lombardi stepped down.

I tried to find the actual speech on the internet but was unsuccessful. But if I recall what I heard Coach / GM Lombardi stated at the news conference when Phil Bengtson was announced as Head Coach .......... he said something to effect that it has become increasingly clear that one man can not do both jobs. Something like that. This is what I found on the internet after a quick search "Lombardi announced at a press conference that he was stepping down as coach of the Packers to concentrate on his duties as general manager. When he finished explaining his decision, he announced that Phil Bengtson would succeed him as head coach." Maybe others here have a more detailed account of what Coach / GM Lombardi said at the podium.

What's also interesting is "In February 1969, Lombardi became head coach and general manager of the Washington Redskins. The Redskins finished at 7–5–2, their first winning record since the 1955 season." I surmise that Vince just wanted to coach again. The GM and equity position with the Redskins was just the icing on the cake.

If your going to do the cooking, then ya want a say about the ingredients used, I think Vince wanted total control just as he had with us, in fact I think the reason Vanisi was never given the title was because I. he was young, and 2. Vince wanted final say with everything, which worked out, and who knows, If Jack wouldn't have died a couple years later he may have eventually given him the title.

Bengston was a great DC, who else would Vince give the job to, as Pugger said, that dynasty had run it's course, all aged out vets, ( it really is a shame that Jack had died, Vince was not a very good talent scout) Phil inherited a declining team, and it stayed that way for 20 more years.

Ol Mikey Sherman, a hell of a assistant coach, very organized, it's why Holmgren hired him, 6th winningest coach in Packer history, lost his claim to fame because his first ballot HOF QB couldn't resist throwing the ball to the opposing DB.

When Wolf and Harlan decided to give GM job to coach Sherman I always had the feeling it was Ron giving the middle finger to Holmgren for his actions leading up to the SB with Denver, if you remember, it was filled with Holmgren going to Seattle headlines every day, very distracting obviously to the team, Wolf was irate after that loss, and put the blame squarely on Holmgren's distractive job seeking thing with Seattle.

At least that how I remember that unfolding.

What I remember about Sherman is one year he kept saying if you want to win a championship, you have to go out and get it. You have to take it…..then against Philly’s tiring defense on 4th down Sherman elected to punt the ball.

So much for slogans. He didn’t have the guts to go for it.

Funny story. My dad used to work for the NFL , only for games at Lambeau. He would occasionally get me a Field Pass for games throughout the 90's and 00's. I can't remember what year it was but it was right after Ted took over and fired Sherman. My dad pointed at 3 really nice cars parked inside the parking garage. One was Ted Thompson's, the next Mike McCarthy's, and the 3rd was Brett Favre. He said that Thompson and McCarthy hated that he parked away from the rest of the team and this started during the Sherman years, but they decided not to rock the boat and kick him back outside.

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2022 20:06

What is Mike Sherman's Packers legacy? He had Hall of Fame QBs and a darn good RB with Ahman Green.

To me, out of all the Packers teams that never won a Super Bowl, the Sherman teams were the most fun to watch. He was definitely lovable- a player's coach through and through.