Packers Huddle

It seems like there’ll be enough chatter about this for many good reasons in the weeks to come. But for the sake of a historical place marker, let it be noted that the Packers are on a losing skid and just lost to the lowly Lions. But the following are also true:
1. Injuries, injuries, injuries. (I don’t remember a season it has ever been this bad. Ever.
2. More youth at WR than we probably should have.
3. Aaron Rodgers will still be PAID next year. (And we’re only half way done with this year!)

So, what is there to do with Aaron?

We have to play him. We pay him too much money to bench him.

We can’t trade him unless a team wants a LOT of dead money and a QB that probably isn’t close to what he has been.

I think we play him against Dallas. You have to do that, with McCarthy coming into town and such. But beyond that…

I think that a declining Rodgers is still better than some starting QBs. He just isn’t at the elite level any more. He still has the arm strength. I think his processing speed and/or lack of learning the new defensive tricks has hampered him. Maybe we can’t teach an old dog new tricks? That’s really the one or two things that are hurting him.

So, toss the idea of playoffs. But he surely isn’t going to be the weak spot of this team (the Lions loss notwithstanding). I can live with playing him this year, while giving Love plenty of playing time. But next year, if he doesn’t retire, is going to be cringe-worth.

Rodgers will be starting for the Packers next year.

First four rounds should be nothing but receiver and oline.

bud fox wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2022 15:02

Rodgers will be starting for the Packers next year.

First four rounds should be nothing but receiver and oline.

Well then the Packers have at best a 1% chance of making the playoffs next season.

Unless Love gets to start several games this season and looks good, the Packers need a QB. So there goes the 1st round and the second round to move up in the first. The only way the Packers can get a top QB next spring is if they start Love all the remaining games and he loses them all. If they play Rodgers, he will win 1 or 2 remaining games and then the Packers are picking in the 5-10 range.

So much for your plan. Most likely they do not play Love and no one knows at the end of the season whether they need to draft a QB.

bud fox wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022 03:09

Yeah, I watched it too. And your point is?

That Watkins takes himself out of the play by running a corner route to the wrong side of the field. Did you even wonder why? I'll tell you most probably why, because Rodgers made some subtle movement that told Watkins that the called play was cancelled and he should just get open because he was 1-on-1. So he did. And then Rodgers ran the called play anyway.

Rodgers had the signals down pat with Davonte, they were almost always on the same page, called play or changed play. That does not work with rookies nor with Watkins who is in his first season as a Packer. And so all the WR's are confused and playing tentatively. And it is Rodger's fault for demanding the impossible from the WR's.

Maybe benching Rodgers would provide him with just the kick up the backside that he needs to concentrate on being the best footballer he can be.

As his game is based on perfect understanding with his receivers, then perhaps he'll turn up to practice next summer and try and gain that understanding.

I remember a ton of idiots saying Rodgers was done in 2017/18 and the team fired the real problems and went in a new direction and he was back in MVP form.

You dont get rid of Rodgers because he is declining. Hes not playing great, but hes not declining in terms of ability. Maybe motivation and commitment, but not talent or ability.

Give Rodgers some receivers who arent awful and a playcaller who has creative ability beyond the first quarter and all of sudden Rodgers will look just fine.

Its true he isnt worth 50m a year this year. But that doesnt mean hes washed. Hes just able to overcome the awful situation like he could at 31 years old.

You get rid of Rodgers not because of him, but because you realize that even with him this team missed their SB window. They choked it away. Once you accept that then you are just ready to rebuild and look to future. And that probably wont include a 38 year old 50m a year man. Thats why you say bye bye.

but hes not declining in terms of... talent or ability.

I don't disagree with the rest of the post or even the over all sentiment, but the above is definitely happening. He will turn 39 in 22 days, that means he is a decade off what is a normal/late male peak. To what extent he is declining, you can decide, but he without a doubt is. Couple that with a rebuild and there is little reason to bring him along on that journey.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022 06:43

I remember a ton of idiots saying Rodgers was done in 2017/18 and the team fired the real problems and went in a new direction and he was back in MVP form.

No one defeats Father Time. That was 5 years ago. Rodgers was 34 years old. In less than a month he will be 39.

I remember a ton of people saying that the Packers should let Favre come back and that Rodgers was made of glass and had bad technique.

I wanted to move on. Well, which side were you on? Let me guess, you were calling people idiots for wanting to move on.

Rodgers in MVP form is still a playoff choke artist. Even in his SuperBowl-winning season, he needed to be carried by a defense that could score points *for* him because he sucked in the NFCCG as always and then couldn't put away PIT in the 'Bowl game while they were still very much in the game.

On top of that, can't teach an old dog new tricks. Rodgers's game is aging like milk. He relied on a great arm to get away with a lack of mechanics and still tries to run around to buy time even though he's lost a step and was never very durable. He should have been changing the way he plays and be more of a pocket passer. Right now, he's the 5th worst QB from a clean pocket (two of the worse QBs are the starters in Indy and Carolina, who just started playing).

Do whatever it takes to get rid of him.

simply fix the OL, and Rodgers is better, add or get improvement from existing receivers and Rodgers is better, he may have declined some, but odds are that he is better then anyone we can replace him with, over 30 dropped passes screams that our problems don't lay at the feet of Rodgers, and just look this OL, what we should do is concentrate on fixing the obvious, and less on thinking we have to do something at QB.

specially when we can't do much about it anyway

Labrev wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022 08:13

Rodgers in MVP form is still a playoff choke artist. Even in his SuperBowl-winning season, he needed to be carried by a defense that could score points *for* him because he sucked in the NFCCG as always and then couldn't put away PIT in the 'Bowl game while they were still very much in the game.

On top of that, can't teach an old dog new tricks. Rodgers's game is aging like milk. He relied on a great arm to get away with a lack of mechanics and still tries to run around to buy time even though he's lost a step and was never very durable. He should have been changing the way he plays and be more of a pocket passer. Right now, he's the 5th worst QB from a clean pocket (two of the worse QBs are the starters in Indy and Carolina, who just started playing).

Do whatever it takes to get rid of him.

blah blah blah, Rodgers isn't the reason we lost last years playoff game, part of it , sure, in 2020 PO game receivers dropped 7 passes, 2 where TD passes

and part of his problem from clean pockets are over 30 dropped passes in 9 games, people that put all this crap on Rodgers are fools to think he wouldn't do better with the 2020 OL and just one ( 1) competent WR.

He's not going anywhere unless he wants to, get use to it.

The offensive line has been at least adequate to good the last 2-3 weeks when it comes to pass blocking. Even with the make shift olines we are still 18th in pressure percentage: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... vanced.htm

30 dropped passes??
https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/tmleade ... L&rank=232
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... vanced.htm

Adding/developing our WRs is an obvious fix and needs to happen. Our offensive line getting healthy will be another. However, there is no, "Rodgers may have declined," about it. He is soon to be 39, he absolutely has. Again, to what degree, you can decide, but it is happening.

Yoop wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022 09:15

Labrev wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022 08:13

Rodgers in MVP form is still a playoff choke artist. Even in his SuperBowl-winning season, he needed to be carried by a defense that could score points *for* him because he sucked in the NFCCG as always and then couldn't put away PIT in the 'Bowl game while they were still very much in the game.

On top of that, can't teach an old dog new tricks. Rodgers's game is aging like milk. He relied on a great arm to get away with a lack of mechanics and still tries to run around to buy time even though he's lost a step and was never very durable. He should have been changing the way he plays and be more of a pocket passer. Right now, he's the 5th worst QB from a clean pocket (two of the worse QBs are the starters in Indy and Carolina, who just started playing).

Do whatever it takes to get rid of him.

blah blah blah, Rodgers isn't the reason we lost last years playoff game, part of it , sure, in 2020 PO game receivers dropped 7 passes, 2 where TD passes

and part of his problem from clean pockets are over 30 dropped passes in 9 games, people that put all this crap on Rodgers are fools to think he wouldn't do better with the 2020 OL and just one ( 1) competent WR.

He's not going anywhere unless he wants to, get use to it.

This is a serious question.

What was the 2nd TD drop in the 2020 NFCCG? I remember the Adams drop. Not the other one on the top of my head.

Yoop wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022 09:15

blah blah blah, Rodgers isn't the reason we lost last years playoff game, part of it , sure, in 2020 PO game receivers dropped 7 passes, 2 where TD passes

Yeah, there's always some excuse. If not WR, it will be OL, or D, or ST. That's exactly how you know he's a loser.

Rodgers is never the reason we lose those games, because he plays not to lose. He just goes 3-and-out in critical, must-score moments to avoid the INT. He needed to be the reason we WIN those games, i.e. go out and make the winning play. In the playoffs, you have to TAKE the game from the opponent. That's not Rodgers, gotta avoid the INT at all costs.

and part of his problem from clean pockets are over 30 dropped passes in 9 games, people that put all this crap on Rodgers are fools to think he wouldn't do better with the 2020 OL and just one ( 1) competent WR.

I don't care; he will just end up choking the playoffs away like always.

He's not going anywhere unless he wants to, get use to it.

Cool, I'm not going anywhere either: get 'use'<sic> to it.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022 09:21

The offensive line has been at least adequate to good the last 2-3 weeks when it comes to pass blocking. Even with the make shift olines we are still 18th in pressure percentage: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... vanced.htm

30 dropped passes??
https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/tmleade ... L&rank=232
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... vanced.htm

Adding/developing our WRs is an obvious fix and needs to happen. Out offensive line getting healthy will be another. However, there is no, "Rodgers may have declined," about it. He is soon to be 39, he absolutely has. Again, to what degree, you can decide, but it is happening.

The fact that Aaron Rodgers is 8th in passing yards and our offense is scoring less than 15 points per game is very, very telling.

High level, our defense is keeping us in games. The defense has allowed 20 points or less (meaning excluding points the offense directly gives to the opponent) in 6 games. So in at least 6 games, we should have been able to run, run, run but instead based on the data....we are choosing to pass and failing incredibly at it.

What are some of the numbers for QB's once they hit 40?

Aaron isn't your average cat, but Tom Brady shouldn't be the expectation either.

BF004 wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022 09:59

What are some of the numbers for QB's once they hit 40?

Aaron isn't your average cat, but Tom Brady shouldn't be the expectation either.

Here are all the seasons for a 40+ year old QB, tabulated on Dec. 31st of that season, which would be next year for Rodgers:
https://stathead.com/tiny/zq2kl

6 times a 40+ QB started all the games, 5 of those 6 are Tom Brady, the other is Brett Favre.

QB Rating about 80:

go pak go wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022 09:38

Yoop wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022 09:15

Labrev wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2022 08:13

Rodgers in MVP form is still a playoff choke artist. Even in his SuperBowl-winning season, he needed to be carried by a defense that could score points *for* him because he sucked in the NFCCG as always and then couldn't put away PIT in the 'Bowl game while they were still very much in the game.

On top of that, can't teach an old dog new tricks. Rodgers's game is aging like milk. He relied on a great arm to get away with a lack of mechanics and still tries to run around to buy time even though he's lost a step and was never very durable. He should have been changing the way he plays and be more of a pocket passer. Right now, he's the 5th worst QB from a clean pocket (two of the worse QBs are the starters in Indy and Carolina, who just started playing).

Do whatever it takes to get rid of him.

blah blah blah, Rodgers isn't the reason we lost last years playoff game, part of it , sure, in 2020 PO game receivers dropped 7 passes, 2 where TD passes

and part of his problem from clean pockets are over 30 dropped passes in 9 games, people that put all this crap on Rodgers are fools to think he wouldn't do better with the 2020 OL and just one ( 1) competent WR.

He's not going anywhere unless he wants to, get use to it.

This is a serious question.

What was the 2nd TD drop in the 2020 NFCCG? I remember the Adams drop. Not the other one on the top of my head.

Lazard right?