Packer OLine Prospects
Posted: 06 Mar 2023 21:31
So as we know, the Packers like benchmarks. On OLine, it's always been pretty easy to identify "Packer people," which is maybe why I nailed the drafting of Jon Runyan, Jr and Zach Tom within the past couple of years.
To be frank, it was easier and clearer under TT than under Gutey. It used to even be clear who were C prospects, G prospects, or OT prospects by looking at their agility drill times. Either Gutey started sticking a little bit less to the standards, or the standards shifted a little, or there was some dependent variable correlation happening to make it appear they cared about things they didn't (for instance if they care about the short-shuttle but not the 3-cone, those numbers often move similarly to each other).
That said, I have looked at the guys that the Packers have drafted, signed to a significant free agent deal under Gutey (Billy Turner), or retained with an extension under Gutey (Bakhtiari, Lucas Patrick, Yosh Nijman)for whom we have the full workout numbers. We don't have numbers on Josh Myers, Rasheed Walker, Jake Hansen, or Simon Stepaniak.
And then I cheat. I just cheat. Cole Madison is an outlier in so many ways. He was from Gutey's first draft and he just didn't pan out, maybe for the mental health reasons, but maybe just as a player, too. So I just don't count him.
That gives us a picture of what the Packers really target in the draft, which I'll show below. It's worth noting that the 3-cone maximum and the 10-yard maximum are boosted by Billy Turner's signing (both metrics) and Royce Newman's drafting (3-cone) which to me either shows a different standard for guys you've seen play in the NFL (Turner) or some looseness to the adherence. 7.77 was the previous 3-cone max. and 1.79 the 10-yard time. I still adhere to those in my mind since both are fairly consistently below that and the new maximum is a bit of a hike, relatively speaking. And while this thread is a little premature, because a ton of it relies on agility drills and a ton of those won't happen until Pro Days, I figured I'd start a collection of prospects who look like good fits.
So here are the Packers minimums, maximums and averages
And here are the combine prospects who fit the bill. A couple close calls on the 10-yard that I could add in, but for the time being, why not keep it pure?
Thanks again to [mention]BF004[/mention] for the copy/pastable sortable list; though it didn't include bench press for the OL yet at the time of my copying and pasting. Would have been nice here, but I can always add that later
EDIT: (Whoops, just realized Patterson's 3-cone and 40 are higher than the current maximums; probably not a pure fit, but don't feel like editing and re-uploading the image, haha)
To be frank, it was easier and clearer under TT than under Gutey. It used to even be clear who were C prospects, G prospects, or OT prospects by looking at their agility drill times. Either Gutey started sticking a little bit less to the standards, or the standards shifted a little, or there was some dependent variable correlation happening to make it appear they cared about things they didn't (for instance if they care about the short-shuttle but not the 3-cone, those numbers often move similarly to each other).
That said, I have looked at the guys that the Packers have drafted, signed to a significant free agent deal under Gutey (Billy Turner), or retained with an extension under Gutey (Bakhtiari, Lucas Patrick, Yosh Nijman)for whom we have the full workout numbers. We don't have numbers on Josh Myers, Rasheed Walker, Jake Hansen, or Simon Stepaniak.
And then I cheat. I just cheat. Cole Madison is an outlier in so many ways. He was from Gutey's first draft and he just didn't pan out, maybe for the mental health reasons, but maybe just as a player, too. So I just don't count him.
That gives us a picture of what the Packers really target in the draft, which I'll show below. It's worth noting that the 3-cone maximum and the 10-yard maximum are boosted by Billy Turner's signing (both metrics) and Royce Newman's drafting (3-cone) which to me either shows a different standard for guys you've seen play in the NFL (Turner) or some looseness to the adherence. 7.77 was the previous 3-cone max. and 1.79 the 10-yard time. I still adhere to those in my mind since both are fairly consistently below that and the new maximum is a bit of a hike, relatively speaking. And while this thread is a little premature, because a ton of it relies on agility drills and a ton of those won't happen until Pro Days, I figured I'd start a collection of prospects who look like good fits.
So here are the Packers minimums, maximums and averages
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Thanks again to [mention]BF004[/mention] for the copy/pastable sortable list; though it didn't include bench press for the OL yet at the time of my copying and pasting. Would have been nice here, but I can always add that later
EDIT: (Whoops, just realized Patterson's 3-cone and 40 are higher than the current maximums; probably not a pure fit, but don't feel like editing and re-uploading the image, haha)
heres his bench marks for all the positions, and how sometimes the combine test don't tell a true picture of a player, specially OL