Packers Huddle

With the trade in works with the Jets (or whatever happens in the coming days), there’s a lot of discussion about how good Rodgers still is or how much Love has noticeably improved. (Call either whatever you wish.) I just thought it’d be fun in this forum to compare the two of them as they are now. I am going with the idea that Love will be the Packers starting QB in 2023 and Rodgers will be with the Jets or some other team and also be starting.

Discuss.

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First, I think that Rodgers is still a very good QB. He isn’t what he used to be, but he is still very good, at least prior to cold January games. His arm strength is still superior. He is savvy in the mental aspects of the game. But he isn’t physically what he used to be. That includes breaking the pocket or sensing and avoiding pressure. I think a lot of teams would improve to have Rodgers at the helm. I just don’t think that he can carry a team like he could’ve in the past. To say that maybe he’s the 8th or ninth or tenth best QB is not a slight for him, because the talent in the NFL has improved in recent years. And finally, I do think that Rodgers has something to prove, that he can still play at a top level.

Second, I think that Love has as much to prove as anybody. He hasn’t been a starter yet. But the moments that he has played have been at least somewhat impressive. It looks like he has the physical tools that we would want. But he needs to learn the mental part of the game in a real time setting. The FO clearly wants him to start now. They confide in him that much. To me, I would hope that he starts as a good game manager, in that he is careful about not getting reckless with the ball. Once he learns to be careful, he also takes more shots for big plays. Until proven otherwise, I do think that now is the time that the Packers start him, whether Rodgers is gone or not.

Finally, from a more dynamic perspective, I do think that Rodgers might be able to play better on a team like the Jets than if he stays in Green Bay. He would assumably have a better defense. So, he’d normally start with a shorter field than he would in GB. While I say that, I also believe that Love will soon play better than Rodgers would in GB in 2023 (if he takes care of the ball well). That’s because he will be more likely to stick to the script that MLF gives to him. And being young, he will be more tolerant of the cold games.

I'd say both will be fine. AR will in all probability put more into TC and the off season to get his O going from day 1. I don't expect his D or STs to throw away points at the halves or have him sitting on the bench for 20 minutes while the opponents take 8 minutes off the clock. I expect him to be near the top around 5th.

Love has all the tools. The team will want a faster start than they've had the last couple of years so he will actually suit up in Pre-Season. The question will come down to decisions made by him while under pressure. I expect good choices after sitting on the bench all this time. As long as he is in the top half of the QBs I'll be satisfied his first starting year. Since we'll have eaten the dead cap and will be ready to make some moves and be a real contender in 2224. If he plays well I'm not going to cry about this years record.

Love is gonna be in for a rough year. But thats okay. It will take more than a year for him to get close to the receivers and we really dont even know how good they are yet. I say 6-11. and thats okay too. 6-11 but progress and improvement will be fine with me.

Rodgers will win lots of games because the Jets defense is good enough to keep games close, and tie will go to Rodgers in alot of games. I say 10-7 if healthy.

I agree with all the prior posts.

I also think that Love has an intangible, that the whole team genuinely likes him. They will try to support him rather than just do their jobs.

Rodgers was back to back mvp just 2 years ago and then played a season with a broken thumb. Worst receiving group in the league and a bad oline.

Love has had one start which was horrendously bad.

Rodgers will have a better year.

A motivated #12 can still win MVP in 2023. Love is a Greenhorn. I am not even sure Rodgers cannot break the pocket anymore but deliberately doesn‘t to prolong his career or avoid injuries. Rodgers is a 10y. old Ferrari, Love is a brandnew car under a white blanket.

I understand completely why GB chose to part ways with Rodgers but by no means the dude is finished, just like Favre wasnt finished in 2008. Love‘s sample space is just like Rodgers‘ in 2008: not good enough for more than plain speculation. My gut feeling: Love will become someone like Carr - good but not someone who can lead u to promised land. He‘d need a loaded team around him. So we better get as much draft picks for # 12 as we can.

I can see Love having a mildly successful first year to even really good. It’s all gonna come down to the coaching he’s received and how well the team has developed their receivers from year 1 to 2. We have cleared a lot of our bad pass catchers off the team like Watkins, Lewis, and Lazard so there’s room for last years rookies to actually have a larger role.

The problem with Love has never been anything about him physically. He’s got the body type, strong arm, good mobility. He just makes terrible decisions when things around him aren’t perfect which is why I don’t think he will be that great of a QB. He reminds me a lot of Cutler minus what made Cutler special which is elite arm strength.

Rodgers meanwhile is just going to go off to stick it to the Packers. Especially if there’s a non conditional pick in 2024 just to give us a later pick in the draft.

I do think that Love should know his playbook exceedingly well. So, he will know where his receivers should be at any given time. He should be able to stick with the rythm passes until he gets more game time experience. But that’s the sweet thing about MLF’s playbook; it plans ways to make average QBs succeed. As long as 10 doesn’t get careless with the ball, he will do fine. It’s mostly about getting the snaps at this point. I really think this Packer team can win 10 games in 2023, as they should remain disciplined and the ST and D will improve over 2022. Might not win the division. But 10 is fine with me.

Rodgers is as savvy as they come, with all the experience that he has. (He and Brady…) He has seen it all. For what he gains over Love in that aspect, it’s almost like he is averse to the “black and white” of sticking with the playbook. (I’m surprised we don’t see more comparisons between 12 and 4 in that regard.) And didn’t the Jets win 10 games last year? If they start 12 and win less than 12, that’d be disappointing, I’d say.

One game of sample size on Love is not a sample size. I think he will have his ups and downs, but I also think the offense will be tweaked around his strengths, and I think the result will be encouraging.

Rodgers will likely come out all fired up, and I expect him to have a good year. Statistically at least, I expect it will be better than Love.

The reasons for moving on have next to nothing to do with Love vs Rodgers in 2023.

Madcity_matt wrote: ↑

21 Mar 2023 16:28

One game of sample size on Love is not a sample size. I think he will have his ups and downs, but I also think the offense will be tweaked around his strengths, and I think the result will be encouraging.

Rodgers will likely come out all fired up, and I expect him to have a good year. Statistically at least, I expect it will be better than Love.

The reasons for moving on have next to nothing to do with Love vs Rodgers in 2023.

Correct. But it does make for decent chatter. :-)

Rodgers will play similarly to his play in 2022 (when healthy), 2017, 2018, and 2019. Because without a ton of familiarity with his guys, that's who Rodgers is now. And because Hackett didn't call the plays in Green Bay and he did in Denver last year. The Jets will make the playoffs behind a top 7 defense and a 12th-15th offense. His highlight plays will be like candy in the eyes of a long-deprived fanbase. They'll win 11 games and make the playoffs, win a wild card playoff game, and lose in the divisional round. He'll be a disappointing hero to the fanbase, but still a hero to most. He'll return for one more year with unfinished business.

Love will play better than Rodgers statistically, if only slightly, but have moments of looking inept. He'll have at least two games that he simply doesn't show up. His highlight plays will delight the fanbase, but there will widespread debate about whether or not he's the guy, with ample evidence on both sides. The Packers will be some sort of media darling playoff contender, and Love will really start clicking in the back third of the season; he'll get some ill-advised "darkhorse MVP if he leads the Packers to the postseason" chatter, but not get an actual vote. They squeak into the playoffs, but will lose their first playoff game in the wild card round; "he can run the scheme, but can he win against good defenses?" will be the offseason chatter.

Love is CURRENTLY throwing to one of the worst WR groups in the NFL heading into the 2023 season.

It is certainly the least experienced.

Gutey’s record of adding cheap veteran WRs includes Devin Funchess and Sammy Watkins. Got to hope there is a veteran WR out there who adds at least a little production.

Love is CURRENTLY throwing to the worst group of TEs in the NFL and it is not even close.

Not a lot of veteran TEs still available in free agency and not much money available to acquire one but I’d be shocked if a veteran body is not added at some point.

TEs notoriously take time to develop and thus even with a promising crop to draft from it is not realistic to count on a rookie to make an impact in 2023.

In my opinion, it is premature to speculate how Jordan Love will perform in 2023 but I’ll go on record as saying that not even prime of his career MVP Aaron Rodgers could make a 2022 Sammy Watkins or a Tyler Davis look like like viable NFL players and I don’t think it should be held against Jordan Love if he is expected to rely upon such receivers in 2023.