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!!Backthepack4ever wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 09:23Jordan Addison
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not sure why people look at Paris Johnson as just a T, he simply has elite size to be a T, but he can play any OL position, and this is Bahk's last season with us, and Toms or literally anyone else on our roster isn't and never will be as good a LT as Johnson, I'd be hard pressed to pass on him, in fact I very much doubt that I would.Labrev wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 09:381. Brian Bresee. Love the traits, but strikes me as a guy who lacks the "it" to put it together. I reserve the gamble for late Day 2.
2. Paris Johnson. 'Fine player, would be all for him if we had an LT need, but that's the least of our OL needs.
3. Calijah Kancey. I value interior penetrator IDL highly, can even get over him being short (helps win leverage battles) but lack of arm length when short is brutal.
4. CB(-Only) before Day 3. I don't care if Gonzales or Witherspoon are there and clearly the top guys. Unless it's a guy you plan to start at Safety or at least some hybrid CB/S role (a guy like Brian Branch makes sense for this) that gets almost as many snaps as a starter, there is just flat-out not enough value in CB for this team.
5. No smol guys. Ron Wolf said don't draft guys who are short and/or skinny, because undersized players' games don't translate well in cold weather football. So I am kind of "Out" on a large contingent of this year's WR class, including guys who I would love if I was a warm weather team.
I can make an exception for Zay Flowers because he's a Dawg, but the rest: Hyatt, Downs, Dell, Mims, Addison, etc... not really considering them for where they are expected to go.
I'm sure he can "play" any OL position, I just don't think he'd be good at any of them other than T. Guys who are tall and lack great power or anchor like Johnson usually do not make very good IOL.Yoop wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 10:02not sure why people look at Paris Johnson as just a T, he simply has elite size to be a T, but he can play any OL position, and this is Bahk's last season with us, and Toms or literally anyone else on our roster isn't and never will be as good a LT as Johnson, I'd be hard pressed to pass on him, in fact I very much doubt that I would.
Mike Wahle is simply a ex OL player, I value his opinion as such, but he's not a coach, so he is just a blogger who has taken his pro bioticsLabrev wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 10:17I'm sure he can "play" any OL position, I just don't think he'd be good at any of them other than T. Guys who are tall and lack great power or anchor like Johnson usually do not make very good IOL.Yoop wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 10:02not sure why people look at Paris Johnson as just a T, he simply has elite size to be a T, but he can play any OL position, and this is Bahk's last season with us, and Toms or literally anyone else on our roster isn't and never will be as good a LT as Johnson, I'd be hard pressed to pass on him, in fact I very much doubt that I would.
As well, Johnson's strong suits are his smooth movement ability and footwork. So at G you really just play to his weaknesses and largely render his actual strengths useless.
Andy Justa'Blogger had Mike Wahle on his show and asked him how he ranks the Top 4 OL for us. He had Skoronski first. Jones and Wright were second and third though I forget in which order; I wanna say that order. He had Johnson last, doesn't dislike the guy but is skeptical that there is any appreciable difference between him and Tom. And you can't say Wahle is Justa Blogger, so HA!
insults aside, I consider this the smartest thing you've maybe ever saidAPB wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 11:46I'm with @Yoop (yes, I know...like the sun aligning with Uranus...or up Uranus...whatever) in that I think OT will be the pick and if Johnson is there, it'll be him. I see the FO moving on from Bakh after this year and I'm not nearly as sold on Nijman and Tom (or those developmental guys) as the heirs apparent as some of you are.
I think Gute stays true to the Packer way and drafts for the future rather than offer immediate help for his new QB1 or, god forbid, spend another R1 pick on defense.
LT, edge, CB, receiver after QB are my positional key positions, I can figure out everything else as we go along, Ala, Andrew ReidBF004 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 11:54I think the more and more I go through this process, the less and less I 'hate' guys.
Like I was hugely against Jordan Addison, but his weight pretty much sorted that out in terms of expectations. And I think I've come around to him now that that is more know I guess. But like just thinking thinking of him as some average WR, just never saw it.
I think I am just more against bad process, like taking a TE in the first, or RT or maybe even off ball LB to an extent. Taking a guy at a position you really don't need which awkwardly forces your hand in future offseasons (Randall and Rollins pretty much made it so we couldn't resign Hyde or Hayward, AJ Dillon made it so we couldn't keep Jones and Williams, Love and Rodgers, etc. etc.). Or guys who just really aren't fits, Datone Jones.
Even if you look at him as a WR, he's 24 and coming off a significant back injury. I don't think I'd have that WR in my top 13 without like Calvin Johnson measurables.Yoop wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 12:00LT, edge, CB, receiver after QB are my positional key positions, I can figure out everything else as we go along, Ala, Andrew ReidBF004 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 11:54I think the more and more I go through this process, the less and less I 'hate' guys.
Like I was hugely against Jordan Addison, but his weight pretty much sorted that out in terms of expectations. And I think I've come around to him now that that is more know I guess. But like just thinking thinking of him as some average WR, just never saw it.
I think I am just more against bad process, like taking a TE in the first, or RT or maybe even off ball LB to an extent. Taking a guy at a position you really don't need which awkwardly forces your hand in future offseasons (Randall and Rollins pretty much made it so we couldn't resign Hyde or Hayward, AJ Dillon made it so we couldn't keep Jones and Williams, Love and Rodgers, etc. etc.). Or guys who just really aren't fits, Datone Jones.
if ya look at KIncaid as a TE it eliminates him, as a receiver though, he is in that group
That's so interesting. I mostly agree with you. I also dislike bad process, though I disagree with some of your examples of bad process.BF004 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 11:54I think the more and more I go through this process, the less and less I 'hate' guys.
Like I was hugely against Jordan Addison, but his weight pretty much sorted that out in terms of expectations. And I think I've come around to him now that that is more known I guess. But like just thinking of him as some average WR1, just never saw it.
I think I am just more against bad process, like taking a TE in the first, or RT or maybe even off ball LB to an extent. Taking a guy at a position you really don't need which awkwardly forces your hand in future offseasons (Randall and Rollins pretty much made it so we couldn't resign Hyde or Hayward, AJ Dillon made it so we couldn't keep Jones and Williams, Love and Rodgers, etc. etc.). Or guys who just really aren't fits, Datone Jones.
It's not that I don't see justifiable value in going OT at our pick, but if that's the route we are gonna go with our first, I like any of the other guys better for it:APB wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023 11:46I'm with @Yoop (yes, I know...like the sun aligning with Uranus...or up Uranus...whatever) in that I think OT will be the pick and if Johnson is there, it'll be him. I see the FO moving on from Bakh after this year and I'm not nearly as sold on Nijman and Tom (or those developmental guys) as the heirs apparent as some of you are.
I think Gute stays true to the Packer way and drafts for the future rather than offer immediate help for his new QB1 or, god forbid, spend another R1 pick on defense.