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Rank the Roster 2023: #28
Posted: 12 Jul 2023 09:17
by Waldo
Rank The Roster: 2023 Edition
1. Jaire Alexander (43%)[
+2]
2. Aaron Jones (26%)[
+6]
3. David Bakhtiari (34%)[
+1]
4. Kenny Clark (50%)[
-2]
5. Rashan Gary (57%)[
+1]
6. Elgton Jenkins (54%)[
-1]
7. DeVondre Campbell (29%)[--]
8. Christian Watson (32%)[
+14]
9. Jordan Love (32%)[
+21]
10. Preston Smith (32%)[
+2]
11. Rasul Douglas (29%)[
+2]
12. AJ Dillon (27%)[
-1]
13. Keisean Nixon (36%)[
+19]
14. Quay Walker (36%)[
+5]
15. Romeo Doubs (27%)[
+20]
16. Devonte Wyatt (39%)[
+3]
17. Zach Tom (31%)[
+20]
18. Lukas Van Ness (24%)[R]
19. John Runyan (27%)[
-1]
20. Darnell Savage (31%)[
-6]
21. Josh Myers (44%)[
-5]
22T. Eric Stokes (44%)[
-12]
22T. Luke Musgrave (24%)[R]
24. TJ Slaton (18%)[
+5]
25. Kingsley Enagbare (30%)[
+11]
26. Rudy Ford (30%)[
+10]
27. Jayden Reed (27%)[R]
28. Current (xx%)[--]
Percent of vote the winner got will be in parenthesis, position change vs. 2022 will be in brackets.
Here's how this works:
Each day there is a new thread/poll, starting at #1, on down to whereever we get. The whole point of this exercise is to have something to talk about in the lean news months to carry us to camp. Each poll will be open for voting for 24 hours. New threads will only be created on weekdays. Ties will cause a runoff poll. You may vote up to TWO players (a change that was made mid-poll last year, seemed to work well).
Simply voting is not enough!
Post why you voted for who you did and provide a player to add to the next poll (every poll will be a list of 15-20 guys, new players added in bunches every few days).
Here's the thing.
There is no criteria. This is an exercise to foster discussion therefore there are no clear criteria for ranking. Who is better right now? Who will have the best season? Who was better last year? Sort of a combo of them all? Do you take positional value into account? It really doesn't matter.
Previous Years:
Rank the Roster: 2022
Rank the Roster: 2021
Rank the Roster: 2020
Rank the Roster: 2014-2019
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #28
Posted: 12 Jul 2023 09:20
by Waldo
Board thinks Reed is going to be #3 WR over Toure, so I'll roll with that.
Sticking with Yosh as BPA. Going to go with Owens for 2nd pick, think he has a decent chance of starting at S, in which case this spot is a steal.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #28
Posted: 12 Jul 2023 09:23
by Labrev
Vote 1 goes to deQuara 'til he goes.
Vote 2, if I make one, is a random pick among Yosh, Hollins, or various upside guys e.g. Wooden, Kraft, etc.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #28
Posted: 12 Jul 2023 09:35
by Cdragon
Owens and Toure
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #28
Posted: 12 Jul 2023 09:37
by paco
I think people underestimate the impact Hollins made, even last year. And will probably make early this year. A lot depends on if Gary can start the year, but Hollins is likely to be out there a good deal unless Enagbare or someone else makes a big jump.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #28
Posted: 12 Jul 2023 09:41
by Madcity_matt
Labrev wrote: ↑12 Jul 2023 09:23
Vote 1 goes to deQuara 'til he goes.
Vote 2, if I make one, is a random pick among Yosh, Hollins, or various upside guys e.g. Wooden, Kraft, etc.
Same. Deguara my 1, picked Nijman as my 2.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #28
Posted: 12 Jul 2023 09:45
by lupedafiasco
I went Deguara. He has a unique role that doesn’t appear can be filled by anyone else. He also has the most experience at TE which is usually a position that comes into its own years 3/4. It’s possible he breaks out.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #28
Posted: 12 Jul 2023 15:13
by APB
I went Yosh and Toure.
I've been aboard the Deguara train the past couple years, hasn't done anything. Now he's gotta show it before I climb back on.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #28
Posted: 12 Jul 2023 16:26
by Yoop
we do a lot of what Dequara has improved with, Fullback or lead blocker, doubt that changes this year, and doubt either of the rookies will replace that, plus he knows all the blocking reads and adjustments, with the change at QB, those rolls may increase, Yosh has had a season to get the footwork right, RT is his to lose, doubt it.
Dequara, and Nijman
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #28
Posted: 18 Jul 2023 08:37
by TheSkeptic
I guess I am too late for #28. I was traveling. But I would have chosen Colby Wooden and Kraft.
I will go for a promising rookie any day over a guy who has been around for 3 or 4 years and is still a backup.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #28
Posted: 20 Jul 2023 18:07
by Scott4Pack
Amazing how there are so many on this roster that have a lot to prove. It isn’t just the rookies either. But for a short list of reasons, I really think that the largest number of guys will pull through and do very well.
Back in the early 90s, before Favre and White transformed the team, there were a lot of young guys too. They needed time to develop and overcome those Cowboy teams. But once they did, it was very special.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #28
Posted: 20 Jul 2023 18:54
by Cdragon
Scott4Pack wrote: ↑20 Jul 2023 18:07
Amazing how there are so many on this roster that have a lot to prove. It isn’t just the rookies either. But for a short list of reasons, I really think that the largest number of guys will pull through and do very well.
Back in the early 90s, before Favre and White transformed the team, there were a lot of young guys too. They needed time to develop and overcome those Cowboy teams. But once they did, it was very special.
Had the boys not been on the competition committee, forcing us to play at Dallas every year we might have taken them in 95. Favre never got comfortable until the 2nd Q rolled in down there.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #28
Posted: 23 Jul 2023 10:55
by TheSkeptic
Can we do a few more? In a few days there will be a lot of other things to talk about.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #28
Posted: 23 Jul 2023 11:30
by Yoop
Scott4Pack wrote: ↑20 Jul 2023 18:07
Amazing how there are so many on this roster that have a lot to prove. It isn’t just the rookies either. But for a short list of reasons, I really think that the largest number of guys will pull through and do very well.
Back in the early 90s, before Favre and White transformed the team, there were a lot of young guys too. They needed time to develop and overcome those Cowboy teams. But once they did, it was very special.
this roster has more depth then it's had in a decade, last season proved that rookies can start and play well.
what catapulted us above the Cowboys and Niners of the 90's was the addition of skill position talent, all 3 of Rison, Howard and Keith Jackson, where instrumental with that SB run, as well as White, Robinson, Ahman Green and others
https://archive.jsonline.com/sports/pac ... 79931.html
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #28
Posted: 24 Jul 2023 03:58
by CWIMM
Yoop wrote: ↑23 Jul 2023 11:30
this roster has more depth then it's had in a decade, last season proved that rookies can start and play well.
The defense has definitely enough talent to perform at a high level, unfortunately I'm not convinced Barry is good enough to have them play up to potential.
There are a lot of question marks on offense though, starting with Love and the extremely young receiving corps. I read somewhere that the team's targets at wide receiver and tight ends are the second youngest unit in the NFL over the last 30 years, with only the 2017 Browns having had an even younger receiving corps. That didn't end well for them.
In addition I'm curious on how the offensive line will perform without having the benefit of a HOF quarterback possible making up for shortcoming on it.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #28
Posted: 24 Jul 2023 07:18
by TheSkeptic
CWIMM wrote: ↑24 Jul 2023 03:58
Yoop wrote: ↑23 Jul 2023 11:30
this roster has more depth then it's had in a decade, last season proved that rookies can start and play well.
The defense has definitely enough talent to perform at a high level, unfortunately I'm not convinced Barry is good enough to have them play up to potential.
There are a lot of question marks on offense though, starting with Love and the extremely young receiving corps. I read somewhere that the team's targets at wide receiver and tight ends are the second youngest unit in the NFL over the last 30 years, with only the 2017 Browns having had an even younger receiving corps. That didn't end well for them.
In addition I'm curious on how the offensive line will perform without having the benefit of a HOF quarterback possible making up for shortcoming on it.
IMO, head coaches and DC's are over-rated. We need look no farther than the Patriots. Now that they have mediocre players they have a mediocre record. Belichick has not changed, the players changed. If Belichick regains his mojo it will because of player acquisition, not coaching. Similarly, if GB brings the Lombardi trophy home in February of 2025, it will not be because of MLF or Barry, it will be because of Love, Watson, Musgrave, Tom, and the defensive players - primarily whether Gary makes a full recovery and whether LVN is the next Gary without having to wait a year as Gary did. And the credit for these players is with Gute.
The only doubts I have about the GB receivers are if Watson and Doubs stay healthy. They need a third option, but someone, Reed, Musgrave or Kraft will be that third option - this season's Christian Watson. They might even have a credible 4th option from those 3.
I don't understand how an aging QB losing his ability to run makes up for shortcomings in the Oline. Luke Butkus being a 1st year coach last season had a lot more to do with last season's sub par Oline performance than any QB. Jenkins being fully recovered and Myers and Runyan having good years is orders of magnitude more important than any QB.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #28
Posted: 24 Jul 2023 08:33
by Yoop
CWIMM wrote: ↑24 Jul 2023 03:58
Yoop wrote: ↑23 Jul 2023 11:30
this roster has more depth then it's had in a decade, last season proved that rookies can start and play well.
The defense has definitely enough talent to perform at a high level, unfortunately I'm not convinced Barry is good enough to have them play up to potential.
There are a lot of question marks on offense though, starting with Love and the extremely young receiving corps. I read somewhere that the team's targets at wide receiver and tight ends are the second youngest unit in the NFL over the last 30 years, with only the 2017 Browns having had an even younger receiving corps. That didn't end well for them.
In addition I'm curious on how the offensive line will perform without having the benefit of a HOF quarterback possible making up for shortcoming on it.
I think people naturally equate youth with learning curve, and that, with expected mistakes and broken plays, and that is often the case, thing is Love isn't a rookie QB, and he has 3 receivers that showed last season they are up to the challenge, and at least 2 in this draft that look just as ready this season to contribute.
and Love passed the eye test in I admit a small back up roll last season, several occasions under a extreme pass rush forced him to maneuver to avoid the sack and throw the ball, imo Love is a lot further along then most rookie starting QB's, I think he'll do fine
same with OL, we finally have the left side players back, and I see no reason not to expect Meyers to play better or at least as well as he did as a rookie, same for Runyan and Nijman, our OL's tend to be very good pass pro, so that will help Love.
minus unforeseen injury's our offense will be a lot better then the product we saw last season, while the QB and receivers are young, I don't see that as a reason for the group not to excel.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #28
Posted: 24 Jul 2023 08:51
by Yoop
TheSkeptic wrote: ↑24 Jul 2023 07:18
CWIMM wrote: ↑24 Jul 2023 03:58
Yoop wrote: ↑23 Jul 2023 11:30
this roster has more depth then it's had in a decade, last season proved that rookies can start and play well.
The defense has definitely enough talent to perform at a high level, unfortunately I'm not convinced Barry is good enough to have them play up to potential.
There are a lot of question marks on offense though, starting with Love and the extremely young receiving corps. I read somewhere that the team's targets at wide receiver and tight ends are the second youngest unit in the NFL over the last 30 years, with only the 2017 Browns having had an even younger receiving corps. That didn't end well for them.
In addition I'm curious on how the offensive line will perform without having the benefit of a HOF quarterback possible making up for shortcoming on it.
IMO, head coaches and DC's are over-rated. We need look no farther than the Patriots. Now that they have mediocre players they have a mediocre record. Belichick has not changed, the players changed. If Belichick regains his mojo it will because of player acquisition, not coaching. Similarly, if GB brings the Lombardi trophy home in February of 2025, it will not be because of MLF or Barry, it will be because of Love, Watson, Musgrave, Tom, and the defensive players - primarily whether Gary makes a full recovery and whether LVN is the next Gary without having to wait a year as Gary did. And the credit for these players is with Gute.
The only doubts I have about the GB receivers are if Watson and Doubs stay healthy. They need a third option, but someone, Reed, Musgrave or Kraft will be that third option - this season's Christian Watson. They might even have a credible 4th option from those 3.
I don't understand how an aging QB losing his ability to run makes up for shortcomings in the Oline. Luke Butkus being a 1st year coach last season had a lot more to do with last season's sub par Oline performance than any QB. Jenkins being fully recovered and Myers and Runyan having good years is orders of magnitude more important than any QB.
you can down play coaches all you want to, imho it takes both great players and great coaching to make a great team, we had great talent assembled in the late 1950's, it took Lombardi to mold them into the dynasty that group became.
every season we see rookie receivers blossom almost immediately, minus the surgery on Watson and prorate his ypg out over the whole season and he would have had over 1200 yards, almost the same for Doubs, why wouldn't I expect that from Reed or Wicks this season, specially when Love has been training with them since the draft.
I get that people don't want to expect to much, that way they wont be disappointed should failure occur, to me that is a glass half empty approach, I chose to be more optimistic.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #28
Posted: 24 Jul 2023 10:28
by Waldo
TheSkeptic wrote: ↑23 Jul 2023 10:55
Can we do a few more? In a few days there will be a lot of other things to talk about.
Yes, sorry, I was traveling last week. Actually made it to Lambeau for lunch at the 1919 cafe and some pics under the statues, was not expecting to on the trip, but it seemed like a good place to stop and get lunch.
Re: Rank the Roster 2023: #28
Posted: 24 Jul 2023 13:00
by APB
Waldo wrote: ↑24 Jul 2023 10:28
TheSkeptic wrote: ↑23 Jul 2023 10:55
Can we do a few more? In a few days there will be a lot of other things to talk about.
Yes, sorry, I was traveling last week. Actually made it to Lambeau for lunch at the 1919 cafe and some pics under the statues, was not expecting to on the trip, but it seemed like a good place to stop and get lunch.
If those pics aren't shared here, it never happened....just saayin'
