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Nick Chubb Hit

Posted: 19 Sep 2023 10:48
by APB
Just curious how members here feel about the tackle made on Nick Chubb last night?



The full play as it happened.



#39 Minkah Fitzpatrick is the player who rendered the hit to Chubb's knee. As seen in the 2nd video, he was not blocked into or engaged with another player prior to the hit. It was a conscious decision to go low on the ball carrier.

So what are some thoughts? Just an unfortunate part of the game? Was it dirty?

We know the NFL outwardly protects QBs from hits like this, at least while in the pocket. Should the NFL protect RBs/all players from decidedly low hits (exclusive of inadvertent) like this?

Re: Nick Chubb Hit

Posted: 19 Sep 2023 10:57
by Pckfn23
Unfortunate play in my opinion.

Re: Nick Chubb Hit

Posted: 19 Sep 2023 11:10
by Pugger
I didn't see it happen live. It must've been bad if they aren't showing replays of it. :(

Re: Nick Chubb Hit

Posted: 19 Sep 2023 11:30
by NCF
I don’t know how you play defense anymore. Guys going 100 MPH to get these big, strong, physical runners to the ground. They go high, they are making “business decisions”, they go low and they are dirty. What do they do?

Re: Nick Chubb Hit

Posted: 19 Sep 2023 11:42
by Yoop
force players to tackle the way tackling is taught, or use to be taught, MInkah went in shoulder first or what has become safe for the DB or tackler, but devastating to the ball carrier, plus it was delivered from the side right at the knee, if the cleats hold, there is little chance the knee will, something has to give.

to me these type hits are cheap football, we see this often, surprisingly, we don't see even more knee injury's as a result of low hits, every year we see lineman on IR do to low hits to the knees.

Re: Nick Chubb Hit

Posted: 19 Sep 2023 12:41
by Scott4Pack
Any news on Chubb this morning yet?

Re: Nick Chubb Hit

Posted: 19 Sep 2023 12:46
by Labrev
Minkah does not look like he is trying to hit Chubb at all, not directly anyway, just trying to throw himself in Chubb's path so as to get Chubb to trip over him and fall over. Normally, the ballcarrier would flip forward over the player tripping him, but he unfortunately got his leg caught (because the other tackler was holding him in place) and then bent out of shape. Bad luck, not dirty IMO.

Re: Nick Chubb Hit

Posted: 19 Sep 2023 13:07
by musclestang
Scott4Pack wrote:
19 Sep 2023 12:41
Any news on Chubb this morning yet?
I haven’t seen any news, but I saw a photo from the injury and that guy is in bad a bad a shape. No way around that at all.

Re: Nick Chubb Hit

Posted: 19 Sep 2023 13:19
by NCF
musclestang wrote:
19 Sep 2023 13:07
Scott4Pack wrote:
19 Sep 2023 12:41
Any news on Chubb this morning yet?
I haven’t seen any news, but I saw a photo from the injury and that guy is in bad a bad a shape. No way around that at all.
I heard multiple tears.

Re: Nick Chubb Hit

Posted: 19 Sep 2023 13:38
by wallyuwl
Tough hit, very unfortunate. Maybe Cleveland will want to trade for Dillion? :lol:

Re: Nick Chubb Hit

Posted: 19 Sep 2023 13:48
by Yoop
Labrev wrote:
19 Sep 2023 12:46
Minkah does not look like he is trying to hit Chubb at all, not directly anyway, just trying to throw himself in Chubb's path so as to get Chubb to trip over him and fall over. Normally, the ballcarrier would flip forward over the player tripping him, but he unfortunately got his leg caught (because the other tackler was holding him in place) and then bent out of shape. Bad luck, not dirty IMO.
your right, Minkah didn't intentionally go for the knee, and if not for having his foot trapped Chubb may have just tumbled forward as you say.

I still hate this type of tackling, actually hate below the waist leading with helmet and shoulders to the legs hits period, I don't care that it helps the runner or the offense, it'll still be the same for every team, and safer for the players.

we protect WR and QB's as much as possible, why not RB's and lineman, why allow chop blocking, these athletes make a living with there legs, when there lost it wipes out there team

seriously who here likes the last healthy team wins mentality of the currant NFL? I have never really been a fan of gladiator style football, where the goal is to stop the opponent from playing the rest of the game, which these type hits can produce, obviously there noting like the nuclear rocket launchers of the Johnny Lynch era, but they still do just as much damage.

Re: Nick Chubb Hit

Posted: 19 Sep 2023 13:50
by Pckfn23
Yoop wrote:
19 Sep 2023 13:48
below the waist leading with helmet and shoulders to the legs hits period
That's a textbook tackle... Eyes through the thighs, use the shoulder, drive through the legs.

Re: Nick Chubb Hit

Posted: 19 Sep 2023 14:14
by Drj820
wallyuwl wrote:
19 Sep 2023 13:38
Tough hit, very unfortunate. Maybe Cleveland will want to trade for Dillion? :lol:
Jones is already missing games. Whether hes underperforming or not, at this point, we kind of need dillon

Re: Nick Chubb Hit

Posted: 19 Sep 2023 14:20
by Yoop
Pckfn23 wrote:
19 Sep 2023 13:50
Yoop wrote:
19 Sep 2023 13:48
below the waist leading with helmet and shoulders to the legs hits period
That's a textbook tackle... Eyes through the thighs, use the shoulder, drive through the legs.
never use to be, he didn't even attempt to wrap up, thats a cheap shot shoddy tackle, and always has been.

Re: Nick Chubb Hit

Posted: 19 Sep 2023 14:42
by MY_TAKE
Ughh!!!
First time I seen it. No opinion on the tackle right now, just literally heart broken for Chubbs. :cry:

Re: Nick Chubb Hit

Posted: 19 Sep 2023 14:45
by Pckfn23
Yoop wrote:
19 Sep 2023 14:20
Pckfn23 wrote:
19 Sep 2023 13:50
Yoop wrote:
19 Sep 2023 13:48
below the waist leading with helmet and shoulders to the legs hits period
That's a textbook tackle... Eyes through the thighs, use the shoulder, drive through the legs.
never use to be
So tackling above the waist was how it used to be?

Re: Nick Chubb Hit

Posted: 19 Sep 2023 15:05
by Yoop
Pckfn23 wrote:
19 Sep 2023 14:45
Yoop wrote:
19 Sep 2023 14:20
Pckfn23 wrote:
19 Sep 2023 13:50


That's a textbook tackle... Eyes through the thighs, use the shoulder, drive through the legs.
never use to be
So tackling above the waist was how it used to be?
never said that, but it figures you would interpret it that way, if I wanted to converse with a child, I'd call my grand kids

Re: Nick Chubb Hit

Posted: 19 Sep 2023 15:13
by Pckfn23
Yoop wrote:
19 Sep 2023 15:05
Pckfn23 wrote:
19 Sep 2023 14:45
Yoop wrote:
19 Sep 2023 14:20


never use to be
So tackling above the waist was how it used to be?
never said that, but it figures you would interpret it that way, if I wanted to converse with a child, I'd call my grand kids
When I said, eyes through the thighs, use the shoulder, drive through the legs, you said that is not how it used to be. You also are calling tackles to the legs or below the waist cheap and explained how you hate them. So the only other alternative would be tackling above the waist... So, explain how tackling "used to be."

FYI, this is about tackling and only tackling.

Re: Nick Chubb Hit

Posted: 19 Sep 2023 15:29
by Yoop
Pckfn23 wrote:
19 Sep 2023 15:13
Yoop wrote:
19 Sep 2023 15:05
Pckfn23 wrote:
19 Sep 2023 14:45


So tackling above the waist was how it used to be?
never said that, but it figures you would interpret it that way, if I wanted to converse with a child, I'd call my grand kids
When I said, eyes through the thighs, use the shoulder, drive through the legs, you said that is not how it used to be. You also are calling tackles to the legs or below the waist cheap and explained how you hate them. So the only other alternative would be tackling above the waist... So, explain how tackling "used to be."

FYI, this is about tackling and only tackling.
he did nothing of the sort, just look at the vid, he was looking at the ground as he turned his body, and his arms are closed in to his chest, this was meant to be a glancing shoulder hit, fine, but he doesn't use the arms

your condoning exactly what I doubt coaches teach, I know I never was, eyes up, arms extended, hit with the shoulder and wrap, all he attempted to do was hit with the shoulder, whatever, everyone does it, I just don't like it.

go look at the vid APB brought, and then try and hand me this eyes through the thighs, he was looking at the path to the ground ahead of the runner, where he was going to dive to, this aint water polo, hit the mid section and wrap up the ball carrier, the way the game is taught, this diving at the legs to stop the opponent is why we see so many missed tackles, it's garbage ball.

Re: Nick Chubb Hit

Posted: 19 Sep 2023 15:39
by Pckfn23
[mention]Yoop[/mention] I didn't say Fitzpatrick did any of those things...

What am I condoning? Eyes through the thighs, hit with the shoulder, drive through the legs, shoot the arms and wrap. That's a tackling. Nothing cheap about going for the legs or below the waist.