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The Green Bay Packers return to Lambeau Field to take on a former NFC Central foe, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, this Sunday.

It is the second-latest visit by the Buccaneers, a 17-14 Green Bay overtime win in Week 17 in 2000.
Dating back to 1990, the Packers are 14-1 against the Buccaneers at home in the regular season with 12 of the 15 contests being decided by single digits, including two overtime games.
The Packers and Buccaneers face off for the fourth time since 2020 (three regular season, one postseason).
The Packers' four games (including postseason) against the Buccaneers will tie for the most they have played against any non-division opponent since 2020 (Los Angeles Rams).
The Packers have won four of the last five regular-season matchups, including a 14-12 win at Tampa last season. Green Bay's .800 winning percentage against the Buccaneers during the regular season is tied for No. 4 in the NFL since 2011.
Only three of the last eight contests between the two clubs have been decided by a touchdown or less.
The winning team has scored 20-plus points in seven of the last eight games (including postseason) and 30-plus points in five of those contests.
The Packers are 3-3 in games played at 12 p.m. CT this season, including 3-1 at home.
After two straight seasons of playing on Christmas, Green Bay visits the Carolina Panthers in Week 16 on Christmas Eve. The Packers are 1-1 against NFC South teams this season.
This will be the second time this season (Weeks 2-3) that Green Bay will play back-to-back games against NFC South teams.

JustJeff wrote:Packers 38
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BF004 wrote: ↑

13 Dec 2023 15:33

Aaron’s crypronite.

Bucs NT Vita Vea (toe) missed practice on Wednesday

The massive nose tackle also missed Week 14 with the injury, so there remains a little concern about his status for Sunday’s game against the Packers. Vea is the key cog in the Bucs run defense and was one of three key defenders who missed last week and also didn’t practice for the Buccaneers on Wednesday, joining Carlton Davis and Devin White. It’s still early in the week, but the Bucs defense is looking pretty banged up right now, which could be an upgrade for many of the Packers’ skill position players.

Labrev wrote: ↑

13 Dec 2023 15:52

BF004 wrote: ↑

13 Dec 2023 15:33

Aaron’s crypronite.

Favre's too. I remember being hopeful when the Rodgers era started that he would fare better against TB, who seemed to give Favre fits, but they stymied him a lot as well. It's like there is something about their brand/style of defenses that just works well against our offenses.

I had my eye on this game for that reason, kinda fearing this one would be the "trap game" that last Sunday turned out to be.

Yoop wrote: ↑

14 Dec 2023 06:56

Labrev wrote: ↑

13 Dec 2023 15:52

BF004 wrote: ↑

13 Dec 2023 15:33

Aaron’s crypronite.

Favre's too. I remember being hopeful when the Rodgers era started that he would fare better against TB, who seemed to give Favre fits, but they stymied him a lot as well. It's like there is something about their brand/style of defenses that just works well against our offenses.

I had my eye on this game for that reason, kinda fearing this one would be the "trap game" that last Sunday turned out to be.

Toney Dungy's style of cover 2 that turns into cover 3 on passing downs which is known as the Tampa 2, it requires a duel tech MLBer that can both hang tough against th e run, but also drop into deep coverage quick, it's a 4-3 scheme.

people complain that Rodgers didn't like to throw over the middle, probably after watching Favre throw so many picks against Tampa 2 style coverage, McCarthy probably said we need to put a end to this chit

What is the difference between Tampa 2 and Cover 2?
Tampa 2 is a slight variation on Cover 2 where the middle linebacker takes his underneath zone in the middle of the field and drops just a little deeper, allowing the safeties to gain a bit more width and giving them some security in the middle of the field.Jun 29, 2023

https://www.google.com/search?q=toney+D ... e&ie=UTF-8

musclestang wrote: ↑

14 Dec 2023 10:32

Rodgers never had a problem throwing over the middle to guys that knew the offense. It wasn't until he had to rely on the St. Brown that wasn't very good, Montgomery, a guy named Amari, Deguara etc that he went there less

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

14 Dec 2023 10:36

musclestang wrote: ↑

14 Dec 2023 10:32

Rodgers never had a problem throwing over the middle to guys that knew the offense. It wasn't until he had to rely on the St. Brown that wasn't very good, Montgomery, a guy named Amari, Deguara etc that he went there less

He was shying away from it in the later part of the Nelson years as well, so that isn't necessarily true.

Yoop wrote: ↑

14 Dec 2023 11:18

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

14 Dec 2023 10:36

musclestang wrote: ↑

14 Dec 2023 10:32

Rodgers never had a problem throwing over the middle to guys that knew the offense. It wasn't until he had to rely on the St. Brown that wasn't very good, Montgomery, a guy named Amari, Deguara etc that he went there less

He was shying away from it in the later part of the Nelson years as well, so that isn't necessarily true.

was that a Rodgers thing or McCarthy, and how much did it have to do with a copy cats of Toney Dungy Tampa 2 style defense? imho lots, we saw more dedication towards having lbers with both run and coverage ability, less need to 2 dn thumpers.

I seriously thought it was so funny when people complained Rodgers wouldn't throw over the middle, no one seemed to even consider why, Rodgers was just afraid, scared, or whatever,

musclestang wrote: ↑

14 Dec 2023 11:43

I thought it was obvious why he did. #1 was a big drop off in receiver quality or availability. When decent guys were on the field and went across the middle, they did get the ball. #2, we didn't have a consistent quality TE for the past decade in GB who often get middle of field passes. and #3, he had a shoulder injury he came back from and then had the tibial plateau injury he played on and couldn't really step and was floating a few passes. That was also when we tried making St. brown on of those receivers.

and IMO, all very good reasons to shy away from the middle. I imagine if Rodgers had a rookie like Reed on the team and not one like Amari Rodgers the narratives would be a bit different.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

14 Dec 2023 11:29

Yoop wrote: ↑

14 Dec 2023 11:18

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

14 Dec 2023 10:36

He was shying away from it in the later part of the Nelson years as well, so that isn't necessarily true.

was that a Rodgers thing or McCarthy, and how much did it have to do with a copy cats of Toney Dungy Tampa 2 style defense? imho lots, we saw more dedication towards having lbers with both run and coverage ability, less need to 2 dn thumpers.

I seriously thought it was so funny when people complained Rodgers wouldn't throw over the middle, no one seemed to even consider why, Rodgers was just afraid, scared, or whatever,

No one said Rodgers wouldn't throw over the middle. This is your extreme interpretation of it. He did shy away from it, however. That is a proven fact. Why was it? Rodgers was too cautious at times.

Yoop wrote: ↑

14 Dec 2023 14:08

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

14 Dec 2023 11:29

Yoop wrote: ↑

14 Dec 2023 11:18

was that a Rodgers thing or McCarthy, and how much did it have to do with a copy cats of Toney Dungy Tampa 2 style defense? imho lots, we saw more dedication towards having lbers with both run and coverage ability, less need to 2 dn thumpers.

I seriously thought it was so funny when people complained Rodgers wouldn't throw over the middle, no one seemed to even consider why, Rodgers was just afraid, scared, or whatever,

No one said Rodgers wouldn't throw over the middle. This is your extreme interpretation of it. He did shy away from it, however. That is a proven fact. Why was it? Rodgers was too cautious at times.

and that is extreme BS, ya' all said it, and Muscle is spot on, so much has been made that Rodgers was scarred to throw over the middle, never did you listen or even care why, he shied away from it for some of the same receiver others do, the game evolves, what was once common to do offensively, defenses eventually take away or ya simply lack the players that excel in those schemes, like the Nelsons or the Cooks, or Finleys or Cobbs, instead ya have the likes of the 3 stooges, he never shied away from throwing to Adams any place Adams ran a route, or Jones either.

there are reasons for why things happen, there really are.

Labrev wrote: ↑

14 Dec 2023 11:57

We have digressed off topic. The original point as it related to GB's history with the upcoming opponent was relevant to the OP.

Rodgers's willingness or not to throw over the middle, by itself, is not.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

14 Dec 2023 14:27

Yoop wrote: ↑

14 Dec 2023 14:08

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

14 Dec 2023 11:29

No one said Rodgers wouldn't throw over the middle. This is your extreme interpretation of it. He did shy away from it, however. That is a proven fact. Why was it? Rodgers was too cautious at times.

and that is extreme BS, ya' all said it, and Muscle is spot on, so much has been made that Rodgers was scarred to throw over the middle, never did you listen or even care why, he shied away from it for some of the same receiver others do, the game evolves, what was once common to do offensively, defenses eventually take away or ya simply lack the players that excel in those schemes, like the Nelsons or the Cooks, or Finleys or Cobbs, instead ya have the likes of the 3 stooges, he never shied away from throwing to Adams any place Adams ran a route, or Jones either.

there are reasons for why things happen, there really are.

No, no one ever said he WOULD NOT throw over the middle. He obviously did throw over the middle, but to a lesser extent than his peers and it was not just because of the last of WRs the last several years. This phenomenon dates back to the mid 2010s. The why is simple. He viewed INTs as the cardinal sin of quarterbacking. Something to be avoid at all costs. For example 2016 saw Nelson, Adams, Cobb, and Cook, but even back then Rodgers had started his aversion to throwing over the middle. Was it maybe exacerbated in later years with less talent? Sure, but it has been proven to be the case even before that.