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Tucker Kraft had interesting exit-interview comments that: the team struggled to finish, that one could feel what was brewing, that they learned valuable things about individuals on the team and the way they can impact the team, and that he needs to be a vocal leader.

What do people make of these comments?

Labrev wrote: ↑

15 Jan 2025 16:39

Tucker Kraft had interesting exit-interview comments that: the team struggled to finish, that one could feel what was brewing, that they learned valuable things about individuals on the team and the way they can impact the team, and that he needs to be a vocal leader.

What do people make of these comments?

I think I need to hear quite a bit more before coming to any opinion. Will be interesting if Kraft or other players expand on his initial comments.

I think I like his attitude though. He can certainly talk being one of the better players on the team.

Labrev wrote: ↑

15 Jan 2025 16:39

Tucker Kraft had interesting exit-interview comments that: the team struggled to finish, that one could feel what was brewing, that they learned valuable things about individuals on the team and the way they can impact the team, and that he needs to be a vocal leader.

What do people make of these comments?

The valuable things about individuals stuck out to me. Not sure what to make of it.

Lafleur said he wants certain players to be more locker room leader, Love, Kraft, Gary, Alexander if he's still around, McKinney, these players can inspire others.

My mind immediately went to Jaire when I heard what he said about "learning a lot about individuals" and their impact on the team. Something about that whole situation smells, especially in light of what Ja said in -his- exit-interviews. It feels like another Za'Darius Smith situation, with more info coming out slowly but steadily over time (it took this long, about three seasons later, for Z to spill the tea on that).

I could be totally misinterpreting him, of course, but that was my instinct.

I’m still looking at Doubs as an under the radar problem child. No one else on offense makes any sense.

Labrev wrote: ↑

15 Jan 2025 18:26

My mind immediately went to Jaire when I heard what he said about "learning a lot about individuals" and their impact on the team. Something about that whole situation smells, especially in light of what Ja said in -his- exit-interviews. It feels like another Za'Darius Smith situation, with more info coming out slowly but steadily over time (it took this long, about three seasons later, for Z to spill the tea on that).

I could be totally misinterpreting him, of course, but that was my instinct.

What's the story with Z that came out late? I thought his gripes started coming out almost immediately after he left, and that they were pretty much what we could have guessed ("I don't get respect" bla bla bla)

texas wrote: ↑

15 Jan 2025 19:18

Labrev wrote: ↑

15 Jan 2025 18:26

My mind immediately went to Jaire when I heard what he said about "learning a lot about individuals" and their impact on the team. Something about that whole situation smells, especially in light of what Ja said in -his- exit-interviews. It feels like another Za'Darius Smith situation, with more info coming out slowly but steadily over time (it took this long, about three seasons later, for Z to spill the tea on that).

I could be totally misinterpreting him, of course, but that was my instinct.

What's the story with Z that came out late? I thought his gripes started coming out almost immediately after he left, and that they were pretty much what we could have guessed ("I don't get respect" bla bla bla)

https://www.si.com/nfl/lions/news/za-da ... at-packers

I’m not gonna lie the Zadarius and Jaire issues are very similar.

I don't know anything about Jaire. Something seems off, but again, what do I really know as a fan? As much as I like how he can play, it hasn't been nearly enough lately and if he is pouting about it, let him loose. There are plenty of other guys that want to play football, let's go find some.

If this situation is how it kind of looks, I'd just cut him as soon as he's outside of any injury settlement stuff and let him go. Just like the psycho ex that might have some of your stuff, who cares, keep it, the sooner you're gone the better off I am.

If a lot of this is just media speculation and it's nothing like it appears, I'm probably still looking to trade him for anything I can get. At this point it probably wouldn't be much considering outward appearance, games lost to injury over multiple seasons and money owed.

Labrev wrote: ↑

15 Jan 2025 16:39

Tucker Kraft had interesting exit-interview comments that: the team struggled to finish, that one could feel what was brewing, that they learned valuable things about individuals on the team and the way they can impact the team, and that he needs to be a vocal leader.

What do people make of these comments?

I'm 100% comfortable with a guy like Kraft saying it. I hope it pisses off the ones it's supposed to as well and they cause more problems so we can just get them gone. He's 1 of 2 guys that showed up every game to play. You want more of those guys on your team. That guy loves football and you can see the work he puts in every week on game day. I love guys like that. Adams was like that, Rodgers was like that, Jordy was like that. Lots of others, but you get my point.

and this has been an issue spanning seasons. Rodgers alluded to it, we need accountability, we need focus, we need guys to understand their roles etc. Rasul said it, we need accountability, basically saying there are some not doing their work and skating by. We could see it this year. Penalties, presnap, lack of focus, coming out slow, looking completely unprepared to start a football game, week after week. Dropped footballs etc.

For some guys I think it's just who they are and we need to get them gone. For others, I think they were so young they let the press clippings from last year affect their preparation this year. I'm hoping they learned a bit from it and focus more on their craft moving forward.

and for the trouble makers, see ya.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

15 Jan 2025 21:37

texas wrote: ↑

15 Jan 2025 19:18

Labrev wrote: ↑

15 Jan 2025 18:26

My mind immediately went to Jaire when I heard what he said about "learning a lot about individuals" and their impact on the team. Something about that whole situation smells, especially in light of what Ja said in -his- exit-interviews. It feels like another Za'Darius Smith situation, with more info coming out slowly but steadily over time (it took this long, about three seasons later, for Z to spill the tea on that).

I could be totally misinterpreting him, of course, but that was my instinct.

What's the story with Z that came out late? I thought his gripes started coming out almost immediately after he left, and that they were pretty much what we could have guessed ("I don't get respect" bla bla bla)

https://www.si.com/nfl/lions/news/za-da ... at-packers

I’m not gonna lie the Zadarius and Jaire issues are very similar.

Like Jaire the Packers staff probably felt the injury would improve with some rest, where surgery could lead to IR, it's a gamble most teams would make, the goal is the ability to help the team this season, if surgery is still needed, do so in the off season, when your paid like a top player, then your expected to play threw some bumps and bruises

I think to change the culture it starts at the top, while true players can hold each other accountable, the emphasis for that has to start with coaching.

Thinking about this more because now this is really interesting. What do we think about Rasheed Walker? Was it him or Rhyan that LaFleur made the poop in hand analogy? His overall performance was up and down. We knew he was talented when he was drafted. Is he all-in or coasting on talent?

On defense, other than Jaire, the only other guy I could make any kind of assumption about is LVN and that is only because I just haven't read a whole lot of positive notes about him. Stokes, despite up and down (mostly down) performances, receives nothing but rave reviews for his work ethic. Kenny, Gary, McKinney, all excellent leaders. A guy like Eric Wilson, despite only being a role player, same thing. I suppose two guys that deserve a closer look are Wyatt and Walker.

Anyway, I don't want this to turn into a witch hunt, but I hope we get some more tea leaves or outright answers to Kraft's comments, because they are pretty damning.

NCF wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 08:02

On defense, other than Jaire, the only other guy I could make any kind of assumption about is LVN and that is only because I just haven't read a whole lot of positive notes about him. Stokes, despite up and down (mostly down) performances, receives nothing but rave reviews for his work ethic. Kenny, Gary, McKinney, all excellent leaders. A guy like Eric Wilson, despite only being a role player, same thing. I suppose two guys that deserve a closer look are Wyatt and Walker.

I am not convinced with Stokes. His benching at the end of the season sends a pretty clear message that the staff was not impressed. Whether it was completely performance related or there were other issues, we'll likely never know.

I think Wyatt might be a part of it. He seems to fit the profile of immensely talented but a player who appears to be plateauing early. He did have some red flag issues pre-draft that might indicate character issues.

Jaire missing from the list of MLF locker room guys is telling. I defend Jaire more than most but you can't ignore all these red flags.

I have very little interest in sussing out individuals that Kraft might be talking about, and a lot of interest in Kraft's demeanor and play style becoming more contagious as he gains more clout and experience in the locker room. The staff will be responsible for knowing the ins and outs, and it's the kind of thing we at home really can't be too sure of. I love that he feels this way. I love that he wants to do something about it. And I hope that he and those like him win the culture of the team.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 10:40

I have very little interest in sussing out individuals that Kraft might be talking about, and a lot of interest in Kraft's demeanor and play style becoming more contagious as he gains more clout and experience in the locker room. The staff will be responsible for knowing the ins and outs, and it's the kind of thing we at home really can't be too sure of. I love that he feels this way. I love that he wants to do something about it. And I hope that he and those like him win the culture of the team.

Fair enough. To each their own.

Now, where were we? Ah yes...

Pretty obvious he was talking about Robert Saleh and too many voices in Matt LeFluer's head.

The dots are connecting. Clear as day.

go pak go wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 10:54

Pretty obvious he was talking about Robert Saleh and too many voices in Matt LeFluer's head.

The dots are connecting. Clear as day.

well then how about these dots, it's Lafleurs job to command accountability, as well as Loves job to do so on the field, and Love acts so unemotional, when receivers screw up, which they have, just maybe Love should say something, instead Love walks to the side line, head down like a dejected step child.

that rubs off on the try hard guys like Kraft.

during those two games with Willis everyone was giving 110%, with Love, it doesn't seem the same, maybe Love is the problem.

Yoop wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 16:46

during those two games with Willis everyone was giving 110%, with Love, it doesn't seem the same, maybe Love is the problem.

I think the players had the mentality of "we need to help him" with Willis in because he's the backup QB, and you expect QB2 to need more help to run an offense well, so everyone sharpens their focus, whereas when Love is in, the attitude becomes "oh we got Jordan, we good" and guys get complacent. They think they don't need to work as hard to get results on O because Love will make it easy.

When have you ever seen Love ever walk back to the sideline with his head down as if he is pouting or a "dejected step child?"

Are you saying that because Love doesn't stomp his feet, glare, or yell at his teammates he isn't saying something to them when they screw up?

And you are saying Kraft is calling out Love??

Man, these aren't dots, these are galaxies you are trying to connect.