Update: Daylon Mack signed to Practice Squad
Posted: 10 Sep 2020 07:10
Appears to be some nice potential there and wouldn't be surprised if he cracks the rotation right away.
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Update: Daylon Mack signed to Practice Squad
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Re: Packers Sign Daylon Mack to Active Roster
Posted: 10 Sep 2020 07:11
Re: Packers Sign Daylon Mack to Active Roster
Posted: 10 Sep 2020 07:18
Dude had a stellar pre-draft all star performance last year. I don't recall if he was at the Senior Bowl or Shrine Bowl, but he was one of the daily standouts and week winners on almost every list. I really liked him, and he's just the kind of role we need if he develops at all.
I'd rather it be a proven vet with experience in the system and thus the ability to play right away (Dareus, Harrison), but this is a mid-late round pick from 2019 who we can hope for at least as much as we got from Lancaster his rookie season, once Mack settles in. To me, that's his floor for this year, which is roster-worthy.
He went on IR as a rookie last year in November, and when the Ravens cut him, it was with a failed physical designation, so he may not have been fully recovered at the time. Apparently, based on the workout we had with him last week, we believe that he is, now.
For reference, Mack was drafted 10 picks after Keke.
From the cutdown thread last week:
I'd rather it be a proven vet with experience in the system and thus the ability to play right away (Dareus, Harrison), but this is a mid-late round pick from 2019 who we can hope for at least as much as we got from Lancaster his rookie season, once Mack settles in. To me, that's his floor for this year, which is roster-worthy.
He went on IR as a rookie last year in November, and when the Ravens cut him, it was with a failed physical designation, so he may not have been fully recovered at the time. Apparently, based on the workout we had with him last week, we believe that he is, now.
For reference, Mack was drafted 10 picks after Keke.
From the cutdown thread last week:
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑07 Sep 2020 18:29At DT we need a run stuffer, and there are a couple bigger, established names out there (Dareus and Harrison), but also, that's a role that some guys off the street can fill at least as well as Lancaster, who is basically an experienced guy off the street.
We had Daylon Mack in for a visit, and while the Ravens gave up on him pretty early, he's a guy I remember liking for this specific role as a draftee. I think he had an injury his first year and maybe didn't show up to expectations upon returning? I dunno.
Re: Packers Sign Daylon Mack to Active Roster
Posted: 10 Sep 2020 09:09
He's a massive dude, but not much of an " athlete" based on his spider chart
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/daylon-mack
super short arms means he can't keep blockers off him, but at 340 lbs, its gonna take more than hands/arms to move him
Seems like a low- cost placeholder until the real cavalry arrives.
Re: Packers Sign Daylon Mack to Active Roster
Posted: 10 Sep 2020 09:27
Remember in 2010 we signed scrap heap DT Howard Green early in season, turned out to be solid for us and an important role player in the SB run. Also tipped the ball that became Collins' pick 6 in the Superbowl.
Re: Packers Sign Daylon Mack to Active Roster
Posted: 10 Sep 2020 09:48
I don't expect a ton from this guy. But we can think of this as if we actually spent a later round draft pick on a run-plugging DT this year. Adding a young guy with tools and skills to develop who fits the role we were looking for to a tee is just like that. Not going to be any sort of 2020 difference maker, but might change a few short yardage plays down the line by the end of the season.
This is a bottom of the roster guy, and a guy I wouldn't be surprised to see bounce up and down from the PS throughout the year. But he's as good as having added a rookie this year, so it's a small step in the right direction, if nothing else.
This is a bottom of the roster guy, and a guy I wouldn't be surprised to see bounce up and down from the PS throughout the year. But he's as good as having added a rookie this year, so it's a small step in the right direction, if nothing else.
Re: Packers Sign Daylon Mack to Active Roster
Posted: 10 Sep 2020 09:48
So he's an inch shorterBSA wrote: ↑10 Sep 2020 09:09He's a massive dude, but not much of an " athlete" based on his spider chart
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/daylon-mack
super short arms means he can't keep blockers off him, but at 340 lbs, its gonna take more than hands/arms to move him
Seems like a low- cost placeholder until the real cavalry arrives.
7/8 an inch shorter arms
And 20 pounds heavier than Kenny Clark.
Re: Packers Sign Daylon Mack to Active Roster
Posted: 10 Sep 2020 10:54
thx- and the combine info is limited at best for making a useful assessment
that link from NCF to Andy Herman twitter has some cut ups of Mack, including a play vs Elgton Jenkins...
Re: Packers Sign Daylon Mack to Active Roster
Posted: 10 Sep 2020 11:15
I'm glad we picked him up. Judging from limited highlight videos the upside is clearly there.
Completely up to him in terms of motivation and dedication. I would be gutted if we cut him 2 weeks later as it would mean we have failed to upgrade over Lancaster and our run defence. The Packers are usually quite patient in developing players so I hope they will do this with Mack but it's ultimately up to him how he responds with this opportunity.
Really....5th round pick vs UDFA should be no competition.
He hasn't had the most ideal start to his career but it's far too early to write him off and he needs time to adapt to the professionalism and rigours of the NFL.
Having said that it won't be the end of the world if he ends up on our practice squad. There's a pretty good chance he will as players like him aren't exactly in high demand.
Last year we had Lazard, Taylor, Nijman and Ramsey all on the practice squad and one year later they're all made it to the final 53.
Either our roster depth was so bad we're having to resort to PS players or the PS players are so good that the rest of the NFL missed out on them when they had the chance to nick them off the PS.
Completely up to him in terms of motivation and dedication. I would be gutted if we cut him 2 weeks later as it would mean we have failed to upgrade over Lancaster and our run defence. The Packers are usually quite patient in developing players so I hope they will do this with Mack but it's ultimately up to him how he responds with this opportunity.
Really....5th round pick vs UDFA should be no competition.
He hasn't had the most ideal start to his career but it's far too early to write him off and he needs time to adapt to the professionalism and rigours of the NFL.
Having said that it won't be the end of the world if he ends up on our practice squad. There's a pretty good chance he will as players like him aren't exactly in high demand.
Last year we had Lazard, Taylor, Nijman and Ramsey all on the practice squad and one year later they're all made it to the final 53.
Either our roster depth was so bad we're having to resort to PS players or the PS players are so good that the rest of the NFL missed out on them when they had the chance to nick them off the PS.
Re: Packers Sign Daylon Mack to Active Roster
Posted: 10 Sep 2020 11:31
there is huge promise in this kid, we wouldn't have signed him to the 53 if we thought he'd last on the PS, imo DL is the toughest transition position in football outside of QB, that he didn't make a splash for the Ravens doesn't surprise me, we need a wide body on pure run downs, someone that can hold his ground and plug a gap, and Mack has the body to do that, now he'll get some new coaches and team mates to help him become more mentally prepared, I like this signing.
Re: Packers Sign Daylon Mack to Active Roster
Posted: 10 Sep 2020 11:34
Our team, especially under Gutey, very clearly has a tools and teaching mentality. They are perfectly content to take on projects who need a lot of refinement but have upside. They do it with fliers and UDFAs and waiver pickups, but also with first round picks (Gary, Love).
Tim Boyle, to me, is a clear example. That guy had terrible numbers at a low level of football. That's the kind of guy who doesn't usually get a second look. But the Packers spotted tools and were convinced they could refine him into something.
These other guys you listed, some apply more than others. Taylor--from Division II and injured as a senior--is another guy that had high-level athletic tools, but needed to learn football on a high level. I'm sure they are looking for a combination of tools and football IQ or other sorts of intangibles.
But the key, to me, is a teaching-focused coaching staff. We're lucky enough to have had two HCs in a row that value this. Many ohers prefer scheme or discipline or motivation or evaluation or other factors. Our guys teach first and foremost. When you have good teachers, good tools, and a willingness to adjust, adapt, and learn, you can genuinely improve as a football player. So Malik Taylor didn't belong on an NFL roster last year, but he does now.
That, of course, also means there will be a ton of guys that wash out. That's what happens when you prefer tools rather than finished products... we have some balance; we take ready-to-play guys like Jenkins as well, not to mention our FA haul last year. But we seem to have more willingness to do tools and teach than a lot of teams.
Tim Boyle, to me, is a clear example. That guy had terrible numbers at a low level of football. That's the kind of guy who doesn't usually get a second look. But the Packers spotted tools and were convinced they could refine him into something.
These other guys you listed, some apply more than others. Taylor--from Division II and injured as a senior--is another guy that had high-level athletic tools, but needed to learn football on a high level. I'm sure they are looking for a combination of tools and football IQ or other sorts of intangibles.
But the key, to me, is a teaching-focused coaching staff. We're lucky enough to have had two HCs in a row that value this. Many ohers prefer scheme or discipline or motivation or evaluation or other factors. Our guys teach first and foremost. When you have good teachers, good tools, and a willingness to adjust, adapt, and learn, you can genuinely improve as a football player. So Malik Taylor didn't belong on an NFL roster last year, but he does now.
That, of course, also means there will be a ton of guys that wash out. That's what happens when you prefer tools rather than finished products... we have some balance; we take ready-to-play guys like Jenkins as well, not to mention our FA haul last year. But we seem to have more willingness to do tools and teach than a lot of teams.
Re: Packers Sign Daylon Mack to Active Roster
Posted: 10 Sep 2020 12:21
well said Yoho, I know I often over look this stuff simply because of the things you said, it's hard for fans like us to see potential, naturally we often rely to much on stats or comments from the sports writers to form our opinions.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑10 Sep 2020 11:34Our team, especially under Gutey, very clearly has a tools and teaching mentality. They are perfectly content to take on projects who need a lot of refinement but have upside. They do it with fliers and UDFAs and waiver pickups, but also with first round picks (Gary, Love).
Tim Boyle, to me, is a clear example. That guy had terrible numbers at a low level of football. That's the kind of guy who doesn't usually get a second look. But the Packers spotted tools and were convinced they could refine him into something.
These other guys you listed, some apply more than others. Taylor--from Division II and injured as a senior--is another guy that had high-level athletic tools, but needed to learn football on a high level. I'm sure they are looking for a combination of tools and football IQ or other sorts of intangibles.
But the key, to me, is a teaching-focused coaching staff. We're lucky enough to have had two HCs in a row that value this. Many ohers prefer scheme or discipline or motivation or evaluation or other factors. Our guys teach first and foremost. When you have good teachers, good tools, and a willingness to adjust, adapt, and learn, you can genuinely improve as a football player. So Malik Taylor didn't belong on an NFL roster last year, but he does now.
That, of course, also means there will be a ton of guys that wash out. That's what happens when you prefer tools rather than finished products... we have some balance; we take ready-to-play guys like Jenkins as well, not to mention our FA haul last year. But we seem to have more willingness to do tools and teach than a lot of teams.
and if one of these less then glamorous prospects fail, I resort to nik names like Moe, Curly, or Harry, course with those mid round picks I gave that label simply because I wanted a more ready recruit at the time.
actually as someone pointed out (possibly you) every player that gets to be on a nfl team has talent, they'd never get this far without it, so once here it's all about adapting to this level of competition at a position your best suited to play, so imo it's a combination of skills and the ability to be taught that really makes the difference, and the learning curve fluctuates from player to player, so it's the teams that are allowed for one reason or another to be more patient with prospects that get the most from that hidden talent
Re: Packers Sign Daylon Mack to Active Roster
Posted: 10 Sep 2020 12:55
Sweet!
Re: Packers Sign Daylon Mack to Active Roster
Posted: 10 Sep 2020 13:00
I like this signing.
Really need that Grady Jackson/Howard Green type when it matters, like the NFC Championship game.
Guy who can come in and give you maybe 5-10 snaps a game to basically just not move at all even when double teamed. Hopefully has enough size to help collapse the pocked some in the pass game as well, even if he can't do a lick of contain or spy.
Really need that Grady Jackson/Howard Green type when it matters, like the NFC Championship game.
Guy who can come in and give you maybe 5-10 snaps a game to basically just not move at all even when double teamed. Hopefully has enough size to help collapse the pocked some in the pass game as well, even if he can't do a lick of contain or spy.
Re: Packers Sign Daylon Mack to Active Roster
Posted: 10 Sep 2020 13:07
game day rosters expanded under new CBA and maybe that allows for a specialist like Mack to contribute some key snaps
He doesn't yet have the veteran savvy like Howard Green, but its not like playing NT = Rocket Surgery
Trgovac reportedly taught Howard Green the Packers DL calls using strategically placed chairs in the hotel ballroom... the night before the game
He doesn't yet have the veteran savvy like Howard Green, but its not like playing NT = Rocket Surgery
Trgovac reportedly taught Howard Green the Packers DL calls using strategically placed chairs in the hotel ballroom... the night before the game
Re: Packers Sign Daylon Mack to Active Roster
Posted: 10 Sep 2020 15:07
Guess he is to the PS, NOT the active roster.....
Re: Packers Sign Daylon Mack to Active Roster
Posted: 10 Sep 2020 15:56
Re: Update: Daylon Mack signed to Practice Squad
Posted: 10 Sep 2020 15:57
Oh. I guess never mind on just using him to plug certain plays and complimenting Mack and hoping for upside on the 53.... 
Re: Update: Daylon Mack signed to Practice Squad
Posted: 10 Sep 2020 15:57
And we are sitting at 52 on the roster.......
Re: Update: Daylon Mack signed to Practice Squad
Posted: 10 Sep 2020 16:11
wasn't Dexter Williams already on the PS? 