Allen Lazard: Out Indefinitely

[go pak go]

[go pak go]

My guess based on discussions with a friend who has had this surgery is we are looking at likely 8 weeks minimum.

He said they don't let you do anything after this surgery for a month. So we are likely looking at December/January as a possible return now that he had surgery.

[YoHoChecko]

Yikes; straight to the surgery, eh?

Well that is worse than I thought, considering I just sorta downplayed the impact in another thread.

[BSA]

posted at the Athletic:

"Meyers is the same doctor who saw former Packers wideouts Geronimo Allison and Greg Jennings and former Packers safety Damarious Randall for core muscle injuries.
In 2018, Allison missed 11 games after core muscle surgery. Tight end Robert Tonyan suffered a core muscle injury last season, played through it while never returning to full health, and needed surgery in the offseason. Randall missed five games in 2016 after having surgery. Jennings missed seven games in 2012. missing one game immediately after suffering the injury and then had surgery after trying to play through it for two games."

5 weeks = return Nov 5th vs 49ers
11 weeks = return Dec 20th vs Panthers ( edited)

https://www.packers.com/schedule/

[YoHoChecko]

posted at the Athletic:

"Meyers is the same doctor who saw former Packers wideouts Geronimo Allison and Greg Jennings and former Packers safety Damarious Randall for core muscle injuries.
In 2018, Allison missed 11 games after core muscle surgery. Tight end Robert Tonyan suffered a core muscle injury last season, played through it while never returning to full health, and needed surgery in the offseason. Randall missed five games in 2016 after having surgery. Jennings missed seven games in 2012. missing one game immediately after suffering the injury and then had surgery after trying to play through it for two games."

5 weeks = return Nov 5th vs 49ers
11 weeks = return Dec 20th vs Lions

https://www.packers.com/schedule/

Ok, so Randall 5 games after surgery and Jennings 6 games after surgery. Allison 11. That's a big spread and a decent sample size.

As nice as the 49ers game would be clutch, rushing back for a 5-week return and a Thursday night game would surprise me.

I'll put a mental target on November 15 against the Jags and anything earlier is a bonus.

Also, looks like Dec 20th is the Panthers, 1 week after the second Lions game.

[YoHoChecko]

let's snag Whitewater Jesus from the Bills PS.

Oh that's actually not a bad idea given the familiarity.

I don't know, though, what the team thinks about Shepherd (who got legit snaps last week) and Malik Taylor, but some experienced depth would be nice in a time like this.

[Drj820]

Must have happened in a workout or something? Certainly stinks for him and us. I agree that the biggest impact will be felt in the blocking dept...but that will not be a small loss. He was very good at blocking and took it seriously.

I don’t look forward to the talking heads getting excited to say this is why we should have drafted a receiver (eye roll).

The stage will be set for EQs return. We need him. Hope he finally has something to offer the team

[RingoCStarrQB]

Aw shucks..........just when Lazard was coming into his own and this happens. Part of me still says we should have paid Randall Cobb ......... but that is water under the bridge right now and not worth debating any more.

Maybe MLF should re-tool the playbook slightly and run a split backfield with Jones and Dillon. Let Jones go in motion sometimes. See if the line can enable Dillon to pound the rock ...........help grind the D into exhaustion. Alternatively maybe our TE cast of characters can pick up the slack. Or of course EQ. Or a split backfield with both 30 and 33 back there. Both guys can be dangerous if used correctly.

[Cdragon]

Grab Kumerow off the Bill PS.

[go pak go]

It sounds as if he has a sports hernia which is different than a hernia.

Hopefully they don't use mesh to repair it. My buddy had to use mesh and he said it was painful for a really long time after surgery. It sounds as though Lazard has a sports hernia which means they hopefully don't use the mesh and just re-attach the muscle to the bone.

WHY WE DON'T USE MESH
Surgical mesh is a medical device used to provide additional support to weakened or damaged tissue. It can be used to repair a hernia.

But, a sports hernia isn't an actual hernia. It is a layman's term for a core muscle injury. And with a core muscle injury, the muscle has torn off from the bone, so the best way to repair the injury and return our patients and athletes to the field is by reattaching the muscle, not by using surgical mesh to "patch"
the injured area.

PROBLEMS WITH MESH FOR CORE MUSCLE INJURIES
The use of mesh can be very problematic for athletes at any level, especially those playing sports that require plenty of twisting and torquing of the core muscles such as golf or baseball. The nature of such activity is repetitive motion and sharp, sudden movements and change of direction, the biggest causes of a core injury. Mesh won't reattach muscle to bone.

Only in extremely rare cases of a core injury would mesh be considered as a possible option at Vincera Institute.

WHAT ABOUT FOR HERNIAS?
A hernia is a protrusion of an organ or fatty tissue through a weakened or torn abdominal muscle or connective tissue. Such a weakness lets the inner lining of your abdomen protrude and form a pouch, or bulge.

Surgical mesh can be used to repair a hernia, as it works as a "patch" to strengthen a wider area of the abdominal or groin area. It has been known to reduce the chance of hernia reoccurrence in patients. It also has been known to cause pain in patients.

Not all hernias are the same, so you should consult with your medical team at Vincera to determine if using mesh is the best scenario for repairing your hernia.

HERNIA REPAIR WITHOUT MESH
An open repair of a hernia can be done without the use of surgical mesh by using stitches in a patient's abdominal wall to close the hole.

A laparoscopic repair or minimally invasive surgery also can be performed, as can component separation.

Not using mesh to repair a hernia can lessen a patient's pain months after surgery as well eliminate potential infection or nerve irritation from the implantation of this material into your body.

HERNIA REPAIR WITH MESH
Mesh is used to strengthen a wider area in the abdominal or groin areas to repair a hernia. It can decrease the chance of a hernia reoccurrence.

When surgical mesh is used to repair the hernia, it can create a new pain for patients. That pain can last for months after a hernia surgery. Often, patients experiencing pain after a surgical mesh hernia repair are told that there's no way to fix that and it becomes more about pain management.

While the use of surgical mesh may repair your hernia, remember that it still is a foreign implant inserted into your body. That can lead to infection and nerve irritation. The surgeons at Vincera Institute have removed such mesh from a growing number of patients who have reported experiencing pain from a hernia mesh repair surgery.

[TheSkeptic]

Grab Kumerow off the Bill PS.

this

[go pak go]

I'm not as high on grabbing Kumerow as others are here unless we get another injury.

We play with 3 WRs. There is a chance Q could be coming back soon as well as Adams. For sure we likely have Adams by the Bucs game. So that means we already have 5 WRs at that time and could be 6 if Q comes back and Swerv is a WR.

We kept Taylor and Shep over Kumerow for a reason. Kumerow didn't light the world on fire last year. It's time to let the young guys show what they can do. I honestly am very excited for Shep and Taylor at least has the body to be a blocker.

The only reason I would say bring in Kumerow is because of his blocking. But you also need a guy who can catch too and Kumerow has never been that guy after August. Malik Taylor is a large man and we took Malik Taylor over Kumerow. It's time to stick with that decision.

[Cdragon]

He knows the offense so he can step right in, He's had 20 catches on 32 targets 12 of those were 1st downs. At least AR will occasionally throw to him. You can't say that about Shep or Malik who haven't gotten a target yet.

[BF004]

[NCF]

I still think we are fine, but Devin Funchess would be looking awfully good right now if he were available. I hope they give Robert Foster a shot.

[paco]

Time for Shepherd's coming out party. Despite only have 1 catch, he has the most experience after MVS. But I suspect we'll see a lot of Big Bob, Sternberger, Ervin, and Jones catching passes.

[YoHoChecko]

It would be kind of hilarious if we came out in a lot of 4-WR personnel and guys that have zero tape just to show we can.

Not advicating for it, but like a Malik Taylor, Darius Shepherd smoke show would be the funniest outcome.

[go pak go]

He knows the offense so he can step right in, He's had 20 catches on 32 targets 12 of those were 1st downs. At least AR will occasionally throw to him. You can't say that about Shep or Malik who haven't gotten a target yet.

Just because they haven't shown anything before doesn't mean we can't rely on them.

Hell. The person we are trying to replace was in the same spot last year. Nobody gave Lazard a second thought until he proved we should give him a second though.

Shep did nothing but catch balls this August which honestly based on his rookie season says a lot. I mean you talk about a guy going from a high of being a TC sleeper. Making the team. Being the starting returner. Getting meaningful snaps. Sh*tting the bed on a primetime game. Getting cut. Coming back to the Psquad and then use the offseason to come back to camp, when everyone has written you off, and do nothing but catch balls and garner the respect of Rodgers and Adams....that's impressive.

And then you have have Malik Taylor who is the same size as Kumerow and likely would have stuck on the Psquad and cleared waivers if the Packers cut him. Yet the Packers didn't cut him. They made an actual effort to keep him over Kumerow.

So live with that decision.

[Drj820]

Shepherd is terrible, let’s see what Robert foster or Malik can do for us.

[Cdragon]

He knows the offense so he can step right in, He's had 20 catches on 32 targets 12 of those were 1st downs. At least AR will occasionally throw to him. You can't say that about Shep or Malik who haven't gotten a target yet.

Just because they haven't shown anything before doesn't mean we can't rely on them.

Hell. The person we are trying to replace was in the same spot last year. Nobody gave Lazard a second thought until he proved we should give him a second though.

Shep did nothing but catch balls this August which honestly based on his rookie season says a lot. I mean you talk about a guy going from a high of being a TC sleeper. Making the team. Being the starting returner. Getting meaningful snaps. Sh*tting the bed on a primetime game. Getting cut. Coming back to the Psquad and then use the offseason to come back to camp, when everyone has written you off, and do nothing but catch balls and garner the respect of Rodgers and Adams....that's impressive.

And then you have have Malik Taylor who is the same size as Kumerow and likely would have stuck on the Psquad and cleared waivers if the Packers cut him. Yet the Packers didn't cut him. They made an actual effort to keep him over Kumerow.

So live with that decision.

Hey i hope they are great but until they actually get a target they are nothing but bodies. But nothing says you can't grab a guy who knows your system when Lazard goes on IR for 2 months in case other guys go down. Lazard is the 3rd wr missing games after only 3 weeks. It would be smart to add to the room either Jake or somebody else that catches their eyes.