Packers Huddle

been a long time since this offense operated so efficiently, MLF has made the most of the talent he has to work with, combining pre snap motion to confuse defenses and attacking with mis direction, and a good mix of quick hitters and mid to deep pass routes.

and Rodgers looks happier this year then he has in the last 4 to 5, so obvious to me along with prior comments he made that Rodgers has wanted this for years now, even though he probably wasn't really sure this scheme was his vision, he fits it near perfectly, to bad Guty chose a bench warmer instead of someone that could actually help Rodgers or the defense, what a blunder.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/emotions-m ... 51960.html

wow, 25 clicks and no response, this article is long, explains all the teaching and learning between Matt and Aaron, and how Rodgers applied himself to be his best in it, how we use pre snap motion on near half of our offensive plays, and how our offensive players, have a higher snap count then the opposing defenses safety's who typically lead most games in that category, obviously we are TOP ing well, our offense is keeping our defense rested, and with all our injury's thats a huge plus.

maybe I didn't title the article well enough, and I suppose my distaste for the Love pick is a turn off to some homers here,

25 clicks

Yoop wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2020 08:03

maybe I didn't title the article well enough, and I suppose my distaste for the Love pick is a turn off to some homers here

We have heard it before. From you. Eleventy-billion times. There is not one new piece of useful information in there.

NCF wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2020 08:04

Yoop wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2020 08:03

maybe I didn't title the article well enough, and I suppose my distaste for the Love pick is a turn off to some homers here

We have heard it before. From you. Eleventy-billion times. There is not one new piece of useful information in there.

no you havn't, wow, can't be excited about the team , I bet it broke your homer heart for me to keep ranting on this idiotic Love pick

I think this could be a really fun topic and discussion during the bye of how the MLF system has helped revive Rodgers's career and how Rodgers's play and attitude has improved etc., etc.

There are a lot of interesting discussions and honestly so far these three weeks all of our hopes and discussions of wishes after we fired MM have been realized with MLF.

But I want the conversation to stick to that topic and not go back to coaches who now coach for the Minnesota Vikings and Dallas Cowboys. Or talk about how we have no WRs (though this surprisingly got very quiet after the Vikings game) because our #1 and #2 are currently injured or talk about the crummy pick of Gary (though this also got very quiet after his good start to the year) and how it should have been for a run stuffing DT or Noah Fant or talk about the crummy pick of Jordan Love and how Gute hates Rodgers.

So hopefully we can come back to this after the Falcons game as the articles are long and it would be fun to read and discuss it. We won't have much else to talk about hopefully outside of being 4-0.

Yoop wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2020 08:14

NCF wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2020 08:04

Yoop wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2020 08:03

maybe I didn't title the article well enough, and I suppose my distaste for the Love pick is a turn off to some homers here

We have heard it before. From you. Eleventy-billion times. There is not one new piece of useful information in there.

no you havn't, wow, can't be excited about the team , I bet it broke your homer heart for me to keep ranting on this idiotic Love pick

You should have been a politician. Yes, of course, be excited. But, don't expect me to comment on it when you re-hash the same $%@# idea over and over and over and over and also, somehow, try to tie it back to the Jordan Love pick because its fun for you.

There was meme after meme about that this week. Which one is your favorite? If the Packers didn't draft Jordan Love they'd be even more 3-0?

go pak go wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2020 08:18

I think this could be a really fun topic and discussion during the bye of how the MLF system has helped revive Rodgers's career and how Rodgers's play and attitude has improved etc., etc.

The really, REALLY interesting part, for me, is how LaFleur melded his system with all of the things Rodgers wanted to continue doing. This isn't McVey or Shannahan, this is a meld of that with McCarthy. I think you hit on the important part, though, Rodgers attitude and buy-in. I don't see how a QB is supposed to succeed, even one as talented as Rodgers, if they don't even believe in the system.

NCF wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2020 08:40

go pak go wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2020 08:18

I think this could be a really fun topic and discussion during the bye of how the MLF system has helped revive Rodgers's career and how Rodgers's play and attitude has improved etc., etc.

The really, REALLY interesting part, for me, is how LaFleur melded his system with all of the things Rodgers wanted to continue doing. This isn't McVey or Shannahan, this is a meld of that with McCarthy. I think you hit on the important part, though, Rodgers attitude and buy-in. I don't see how a QB is supposed to succeed, even one as talented as Rodgers, if they don't even believe in the system.

I can't even begin to tell you how much fun I had in the 2nd half of 2006 and especially all of 2007. Favre was my hero but yet I was too young to really ever get to know the MVP Favre. Honestly the only Favre I knew was interception Favre and Favre who was 2nd seat to Ahman Green as the face of the Packers.

Until Mike McCarthy came. What Mike did to Favre and then followed up to grow Rodgers will always have such a high place in my heart.

We are now seeing this again with MLF and Aaron Rodgers and it is just so flipping cool.

And what I think is also really cool is from a personality and approach standpoint, MM and MLF couldn't be more polar opposite. Yet both are working.

I would love to have more discussions about that side of this turnaround. MLF is awesome and I hope he breaks so many Packers coaching records this year. Let's beat the Falcons first.

NCF wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2020 08:40

go pak go wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2020 08:18

I think this could be a really fun topic and discussion during the bye of how the MLF system has helped revive Rodgers's career and how Rodgers's play and attitude has improved etc., etc.

The really, REALLY interesting part, for me, is how LaFleur melded his system with all of the things Rodgers wanted to continue doing. This isn't McVey or Shannahan, this is a meld of that with McCarthy. I think you hit on the important part, though, Rodgers attitude and buy-in. I don't see how a QB is supposed to succeed, even one as talented as Rodgers, if they don't even believe in the system.

you must have just browsed the article, considered my comment about Love, and wrote it off as my continuing dislike for Guty's #1 draft picks, because this article heaps praise on MLF teaching and Rodgers eventually buying in to his plans, It was a feel good article about a job well, hense EAR CANDY
instead of accepting it as such, you come back with hostility.

as to discussing or actually complaining about FO decisions, I may do that to much, but none of you ever agree it seems, that this FO ever does anything wrong.

Since 2015 I would summarize the mistakes by the front office as the following:

Drafting D Randle instead of Erik Kendricks
Drafting Quinten Rollins instead of literally any other player in the world.
Not resigning Jared Cook and instead spending more money for Bennett and Graham for worse production.
Not resigning Hayward and Micah Hyde
Paying too much for Dean Lowry
Getting cute and not drafting TJ Watt.

There are probably others I am missing but can't think of. Any decisions 2018 and later as far as draft selections are still too early to judge. It's not that we don't praise the GM everything. It's that it's too early to judge.

And also...that's not what this thread is about.

go pak go wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2020 09:48

Since 2015 I would summarize the mistakes by the front office as the following:

Drafting D Randle instead of Erik Kendricks
Drafting Quinten Rollins instead of literally any other player in the world.
Not resigning Jared Cook and instead spending more money for Bennett and Graham for worse production.
Not resigning Hayward and Micah Hyde
Paying too much for Dean Lowry
Getting cute and not drafting TJ Watt.

There are probably others I am missing but can't think of. Any decisions 2018 and later as far as draft selections are still too early to judge. It's not that we don't praise the GM everything. It's that it's too early to judge.

And also...that's not what this thread is about.

The list of mistakes by the front office is a long one.

The entire 2015 NFL draft was a disaster. Taking Randall I was OK with until I found out the plan was to play him at CB. I thought the plan was to play Randall at FS, move HHCD to SS where his range wouldnt be such a limitation, and play Burnett in that hybrid LB role. It made zero sense to take a CB with how deep we were at the position. Then they double dipped which guaranteed we were losing Hayward which I thought it was obvious Hayward was a star. Fault also falls on Capers. Ty Montgomery was a stupid pick. It was very clear he wasnt a good WR who struggled with running routes with his thicker frame and couldnt track. The rest we know were all garbage as well.

2016 they made a good pick in Clark. Then they trade up for Spriggs which made no sense. They had the best OT tandem in the league. Why are you trading up for players that wont play? This wasnt a bad draft but that Spriggs pick was beyond stupid. I thought it was very obvious the team needed 3 positions to get better going into the year: ILB, RB, and TE. They got themselves Martinez in the draft but did nothing to improve the other two. Then that offseason signing Nick Perry to a long and large deal was IMO the 2nd most egregious over the years. You have a player who was often injured and only performed one year and we sign him to a massive deal instead of just franchise tagging him and seeing one happens. Protect yourself long term and see if he repeats. He obviously didnt.

2017 for the life of me I dont understand why they didnt take Watt. You had an aging and overpaid pass rusher in CM3 and a clear waste of cap space in Perry and you let Peppers go. This was a layup. Instead we trade down and over draft King IMO who jumped 2 rounds from where he should have went because he ran a fast 40. And the pick we got to trade back was wasted on Biegel who was gone in a year. 2nd round you take Josh Jones to be a LB which he clearly didnt want to play. Then Montravious Adams... The only redeeming qualities of this class is the RBs acquired. And then FA where they picked up Bennett who didnt fit the offense and wanted out the minute Rodgers got hurt. Jahri Evans was a solid pickup at RG to make up for the loss of Lang.

2018 we cut Daniels days before the season to massively overpay Lowry who has always been the epitome of average. Guteys draft was OK. The move to grab an extra first round pick was masterful and cant be ignored. Then he still lands Alexander. I dont fault the pickup of Jackson but its still a weird pick. Alexander was a clear man CB. Jackson was a clear zone CB. The value was good but the logic was poor. They had 3 options to get a better man CB in Carlton Davis, Isaih Oliver, or Donte Jackson. It was just a weird pick to me. They moved up to reach for Burks which seems to be a classic Gutey move at this point. JMon Moore was terrible and I still think MVS is pretty bad and Im holding out hope for ESB who I thought was tremendous value. Cole Madison was a soft wet blanket. JK Scott seems to be pretty good. The 3rd worst move I think made in recent Packers history was signing Graham. They paid him big money to play into his 30s when I thought it was clear he was close to being finished. He struggled blocking his whole career and looked like crap in SEA until it came to his contract year where he still looked slow. This was a very bad contract.

2019 pretty much convinced me that Gutey is never going to be more than average. Hes not as bad as TT but its hard to reach that level of stupidity. The Z Smith deal turned out to be huge. Hes a great player obviously. I thought the Preston deal was fine but definitely an overpay. I like the Amos deal a lot. Probably an overpay but you have to do that to get players to come here as long as you get quality thats all that matters. But in what world did Turner deserve a big deal like that?! This was the worst contract I have seen ever given to anyone thats not a QB in a long time. He didnt look terrible against the Saints but every other game this guy has been God awful. The draft was also bad. Taking Gary was dumb. You just paid big money to two pass rushers for 4 years and now you use the 12th pick to get yourself someone who isnt going to play or hes taking the spot of a big money FA. It needed to be one or the other. Waste of resources. The pick I was for was Jeffery Simmons which was a clear steal. That was discounted top 5 talent that would have been a starter at a position of need. Then he trades up for Savage. I know Gutey said he knew Savage would be gone by 28 but then you let someone else overdraft him. This is Justin Harrell logic 2.0. Jenkins was a steal to his credit. Sternberger is yet to be seen. I did really like the rest of this draft but those two first round picks I thought was poor resource management. Taking Gary over Simmons now looks even worse when Simmons is playing like the clear elite talent he was going to be before he got hurt. What a steal for the Titans smh.

2020 seems to be another strange use of resource management. I wasnt one of the people who thought we needed WR help. I said there was only so many balls to go around in a run heavy scheme. Still they sign Rick Wagner to a deal to be a backup to Turner. They took a shot of Kirksey which I thought was worth it. The definitely needed to get DL help and they refused. This whole draft class outside of Martin and maybe Deguara is built for the future when its clear the Packers window is closing especially with the upcoming FA class for us.

go pak go wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2020 09:48

Since 2015 I would summarize the mistakes by the front office as the following:

Drafting D Randle instead of Erik Kendricks
Drafting Quinten Rollins instead of literally any other player in the world.
Not resigning Jared Cook and instead spending more money for Bennett and Graham for worse production.
Not resigning Hayward and Micah Hyde
Paying too much for Dean Lowry
Getting cute and not drafting TJ Watt.

There are probably others I am missing but can't think of. Any decisions 2018 and later as far as draft selections are still too early to judge. It's not that we don't praise the GM everything. It's that it's too early to judge.

And also...that's not what this thread is about.

Not to be picky but paying too much for Dean Lowry is not in the same ballpark as the other mistakes you listed.

But I would add ( ) keeping a certain DC a couple of years too long.

u's guys are being very specific now with your complaints, worse then me even, we obviously can look back years and grade draft picks based on production, what my complaint centers on is player, slot drafted, and positional priority, we didn't need Gary over a lineman or WR, but we took him, and now that Rodgers is jizzing and in love with football again we sure as hell didn't need to take Love.

People complain about McGinn, and his honest appraisal concerning all things Packers, he didn't think much of these picks either, just like me and most of the sports people, lis, we are all homers here to at least some degree, I care, but I wont sugar coat a situation or decision I dont like.

Gute did a great job year 1 (even though I wanted the ILB Edmunds (think that was his name) trading back, gaining a 1st and taking Alexander was brilliant, and moving for Savage and taking Jenkins where also, the other 2 first rounders, not so much.

Yoop wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2020 08:03

wow, 25 clicks and no response, this article is long, explains all the teaching and learning between Matt and Aaron, and how Rodgers applied himself to be his best in it, how we use pre snap motion on near half of our offensive plays, and how our offensive players, have a higher snap count then the opposing defenses safety's who typically lead most games in that category, obviously we are TOP ing well, our offense is keeping our defense rested, and with all our injury's thats a huge plus.

maybe I didn't title the article well enough, and I suppose my distaste for the Love pick is a turn off to some homers here,

25 clicks

Based on prior reaction to one of my earlier posts on a different thread, I may be the only homer who liked the Love pick based on the obvious (lit a fire under you know who's you know what). However what I think is obvious has not been widely advocated or accepted across Packers-Huddle, and I can live with that at least for now. We won't know the real summary statement until either Rodgers gets injured or he leaves the Packers, whether the Love pick was a great pick or not. Other theories exist as well.

In the meantime, the greatest 21 game new head coach start in the history of the Packers can not be ignored and should be celebrated ......... with or without a decent defensive front 7 or healthy top flight receivers, combined with capable tight ends to bring it to the next level (win the NFCCG).

Blocking and Tackling !! And running the ball!!

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2020 15:05

Yoop wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2020 08:03

wow, 25 clicks and no response, this article is long, explains all the teaching and learning between Matt and Aaron, and how Rodgers applied himself to be his best in it, how we use pre snap motion on near half of our offensive plays, and how our offensive players, have a higher snap count then the opposing defenses safety's who typically lead most games in that category, obviously we are TOP ing well, our offense is keeping our defense rested, and with all our injury's thats a huge plus.

maybe I didn't title the article well enough, and I suppose my distaste for the Love pick is a turn off to some homers here,

25 clicks

Based on prior reaction to one of my earlier posts on a different thread, I may be the only homer who liked the Love pick based on the obvious (lit a fire under you know who's you know what). However what I think is obvious has not been widely advocated or accepted across Packers-Huddle, and I can live with that at least for now. We won't know the real summary statement until either Rodgers gets injured or he leaves the Packers, whether the Love pick was a great pick or not. Other theories exist as well.

In the meantime, the greatest 21 game new head coach start in the history of the Packers can not be ignored and should be celebrated ......... with or without a decent defensive front 7 or healthy top flight receivers, combined with capable tight ends to bring it to the next level (win the NFCCG).

Blocking and Tackling !! And running the ball!!

thing is though, We know how competitive Rodgers is, he wont tolerate less then 100% effort from himself or anyone else, coaches included, the only real issue that came up was Murphy not discussing the coaching hire with Aaron prior to the hire, pretty rude if ya ask me, Rodgers found out about it from another player if memory serves, so they had a talk and Murphy said give it a chance, don't rock the boat, thats about the only negative stuff I've heard, and as this article high lights, it's a old dog new trick thing, so there is some un learning of old ingrained stuff you did prior and replacing it with the new.
I don't think Rodgers needed any incentive to work as hard as he must have to be doing this now, minus a actual TC or installs he appears to have digested MLF schemes pretty well, we have so many different pre snap motions Rodgers needs a arm band to remember them all, we pre snap motin on almost half of our offensive plays.

think about this, ( closing window of oppertunity) Rodgers will go into the HOF as one of the best QB's ever, with 1 (one) super bowl appearance and win, nah, if Murphy and Gute picked Love with the idea that Aaron needed a kick in the butt to inspire him would mean Aaron doesn't care about winning another Lombardi.

maybe your right and they did feel that way, but I think the chip on Rodgers shoulder now is directed at everyone that something wasn't done sooner, cause he does want another trophy, probably more then anyone at 1265, sure the Love pick pissed him off, but he was pissed prior to the pick last year because of his and other limitations, just takes time to install and perfect a offense, same with defense, this stuff is not like climbing back on your Schwinn Voyager ST bicycle after years of garage storage

lol guys, do not feed the TROLL...

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2020 15:05

Yoop wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2020 08:03

wow, 25 clicks and no response, this article is long, explains all the teaching and learning between Matt and Aaron, and how Rodgers applied himself to be his best in it, how we use pre snap motion on near half of our offensive plays, and how our offensive players, have a higher snap count then the opposing defenses safety's who typically lead most games in that category, obviously we are TOP ing well, our offense is keeping our defense rested, and with all our injury's thats a huge plus.

maybe I didn't title the article well enough, and I suppose my distaste for the Love pick is a turn off to some homers here,

25 clicks

Based on prior reaction to one of my earlier posts on a different thread, I may be the only homer who liked the Love pick based on the obvious (lit a fire under you know who's you know what). However what I think is obvious has not been widely advocated or accepted across Packers-Huddle, and I can live with that at least for now. We won't know the real summary statement until either Rodgers gets injured or he leaves the Packers, whether the Love pick was a great pick or not. Other theories exist as well.

In the meantime, the greatest 21 game new head coach start in the history of the Packers can not be ignored and should be celebrated ......... with or without a decent defensive front 7 or healthy top flight receivers, combined with capable tight ends to bring it to the next level (win the NFCCG).

Blocking and Tackling !! And running the ball!!

I also liked the Love pick as soon as I watched film closely. And not because he lit a fire but because he was clearly the BPA. When there is a group of similarly talented players you draft the one you need most. But when a player is head and shoulders above everyone else, as the BPA, you take him regardless of need. Love was an NBA center among the Junior HS players in Shawano.

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2020 08:00

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2020 15:05

Yoop wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2020 08:03

wow, 25 clicks and no response, this article is long, explains all the teaching and learning between Matt and Aaron, and how Rodgers applied himself to be his best in it, how we use pre snap motion on near half of our offensive plays, and how our offensive players, have a higher snap count then the opposing defenses safety's who typically lead most games in that category, obviously we are TOP ing well, our offense is keeping our defense rested, and with all our injury's thats a huge plus.

maybe I didn't title the article well enough, and I suppose my distaste for the Love pick is a turn off to some homers here,

25 clicks

Based on prior reaction to one of my earlier posts on a different thread, I may be the only homer who liked the Love pick based on the obvious (lit a fire under you know who's you know what). However what I think is obvious has not been widely advocated or accepted across Packers-Huddle, and I can live with that at least for now. We won't know the real summary statement until either Rodgers gets injured or he leaves the Packers, whether the Love pick was a great pick or not. Other theories exist as well.

In the meantime, the greatest 21 game new head coach start in the history of the Packers can not be ignored and should be celebrated ......... with or without a decent defensive front 7 or healthy top flight receivers, combined with capable tight ends to bring it to the next level (win the NFCCG).

Blocking and Tackling !! And running the ball!!

I also liked the Love pick as soon as I watched film closely. And not because he lit a fire but because he was clearly the BPA. When there is a group of similarly talented players you draft the one you need most. But when a player is head and shoulders above everyone else, as the BPA, you take him regardless of need. Love was an NBA center among the Junior HS players in Shawano.

What on film stood out to you, Love showed no more then a bunch of other QB's drafted late first round, just as many question marks as there are obvious answers, for cripe sakes he hasn't been activated this year and can't beat out the UDFA Boyle, people think Love is the same as our last late first round pick QB Rodgers, and that nothing but conjecture, and hope, it's very thin ice.


and even without checking there are higher rated players that we passed on, who will provide more team production then Love will in at least the first 3 years of his contract, we could have picked up a Love type QB in the next 3 or 4 years, people defend this pick, then complain about OL,DL, ILB, WR (me) etc. picks like Love and Gary are the reasons we have not restocked those other positions, sometimes drafting the best talent on your board (very debatable since talent ratings in that slot range are very close and mostly position driven? doesn't help soon enough, or never do, if your always building the future you'll waste precious talent in the now.

I've lost respect for Guty, if we don't win another SB in the Rodgers era it will be due to the last few years of Thompson and so far with Guty, Murphy seems like the brightest bulb in the room, resigned Rodgers and got him a very good coach, what he needs to do now is tell his GM to quit using top draft slots on backup players.

Why do we insist on re-hashing the Jordan Love conversation, again, on the night of a huge game for us?

NCF wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2020 11:00

Why do we insist on re-hashing the Jordan Love conversation, again, on the night of a huge game for us?

cause I felt like responding to Skeptic, and I don't feel like playing all the games in this forum, have already commented in several threads about the game tonight, I would bring another article or two but you don't like those either, just like you pissed and moaned about this one, maybe you should list some things for me to talk about with the other 3 or 4 people that posted so far today.