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Every time that we reach the season's end, this is a question that the inner-GM in me wants to dream about. So, I ask myself in my pretend world about what changes I'd want to make for my team for next season.

This isn't so much about player changes, unless it's just a great big elephant in the room type of change that is desperately needed. Maybe this year, the purge of several key players is one of those issues. But again, that might be the perfect time to redesign the team, by replacing those select players who were good enough for the existing scheme with players who would better fit the scheme that the GM/HC want.

In recent years, I was CRYING for the Packers to bring more SPEED to the defense. With adding guys like Jaire, Stokes, Gary, and others, they finally heard my cry! And I think the D finally hinted at what it can be next season.

I think the main thing that I want to see evolve in the team for 2022/23 is more speed on the OFFENSE at the skill positions.
1. At WR, I think we should look for one wideout and a slot guy with LOTS of speed. That would help our scheme a lot.
2. At RB, I think if Hill stays health, that'll add speed in a great way to Jones and 28.
3. And if 12 leaves, Love/tbd having speed will be a great benefit.
4. At TE, we need a speed guy, unless we somehow keep Tonyan. Even so, I want another!
5. I think the OLine is speedy/athletic enough. But if others want to make a case otherwise...

If I needed to find another possible change, I'd have to mention just having a new ST coach. That wouldn't change the scheme of the team much, but the execution (obviously).

Otherwise, I actually like the design/scheme of the Packers. What thoughts have y'all?

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2022 08:45

3. And if 12 leaves, Love/tbd having speed will be a great benefit.

Don't want to accuse you of anything, but I have seen this misconception a few times and I think most understand where it stems from. Athletically, Jordan Love probably compares most directly to Aaron Rodgers. A good enough athlete. Maybe even a sneaky athlete. He doesn't "have speed".

To the rest of your post, I kind of like most of it. I do prefer, though, that the Packers continue to build a championship defense and FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, Special Teams unit. I think the offense can manufacture enough to win with scheme and lower level talent with some of the athletic traits you brought up. I would continue to build in the trenches on both sides of the ball and prioritize skill players on offense lower than everything else right now.

NCF wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2022 08:51

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2022 08:45

3. And if 12 leaves, Love/tbd having speed will be a great benefit.

Don't want to accuse you of anything, but I have seen this misconception a few times and I think most understand where it stems from. Athletically, Jordan Love probably compares most directly to Aaron Rodgers. A good enough athlete. Maybe even a sneaky athlete. He doesn't "have speed".

Noted. Thanks. I don't see Love as being a fast guy at QB at all. But I do see him, in his youth, as being a more willing runner than Rodgers at this point, to keep plays alive and move the chains. Maybe more comparable to Aaron a few years back.

I'm also not asking for a "running QB" either. I don't believe the idea that today's NFL is a "running QB league" now and there's no place for pocket passers. Seems like Matthew Stafford is holding his own. And Brady. And Rodgers before January. Etc...

speed at the WR would absolutely be extremely helpful.

I want to be more stout on the defensive line
I want to keep our secondary exactly like it is
I want to keep our ILB exactly like it is
I want more ammo on the Oline
I want more speed and quickness at the WR position that also correlates to STs.

go pak go wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2022 09:02

I want to be more stout on the defensive line
I want to keep our secondary exactly like it is
I want to keep our ILB exactly like it is
I want more ammo on the Oline
I want more speed and quickness at the WR position that also correlates to STs.

Your last one is huge for me.

go pak go wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2022 09:02

I want to be more stout on the defensive line
I want to keep our secondary exactly like it is
I want to keep our ILB exactly like it is
I want more ammo on the Oline
I want more speed and quickness at the WR position that also correlates to STs.

The OL is fine even if Bak is done. Just need another mid round guy for depth. The WR position is the big one. They are all slow except for MVS who is always hurt, and not quick except for Adams who is all-but gone.

NCF wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2022 08:51

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2022 08:45

3. And if 12 leaves, Love/tbd having speed will be a great benefit.

Don't want to accuse you of anything, but I have seen this misconception a few times and I think most understand where it stems from. Athletically, Jordan Love probably compares most directly to Aaron Rodgers. A good enough athlete. Maybe even a sneaky athlete. He doesn't "have speed".

But he's probably faster than AR is right now.

Speeds the need, F the weed, old saying from my hippy days

I been crying about the need for fast agile receivers so long it's a broken record, instead the focus has been for tall lanky guys that can lay out a defender blocking down field, I don't see why we can't have both.

I don't think it'll be to hard to keep most of this defense together, clearing the big money from Rodgers will alow us to extend a few players.

while I hate to say this it might be best if Bak retires if his knee problems continue, it would also free up more cap Dollars and we have T options without him that have played well for us this season, this is a young OL that will continue to get better so Love should have confidence they will protect him, and the RB's should have clear gaps to run through.

Actually pay real money to get a top STs Coach. Grab the top ILB or S. We'll need a front to back D that can withstand Love's growing pains. Speed with hands at WR.

More designed QB runs. I say this every season when we are bounced after going 3 and out repeatedly. Don't care if Rodgers is 39 or whatever.

It's like you're kneecapping yourself if the defenses don't respect the run at all.

Also my dream would be to bring in Art Briles as an offensive assistant. It will never happen, but he is maybe the most innovative offensive guru I have ever seen. It was described to me that most coaches don't truly "get it" and that most of them just learn a scheme or two, whatever scheme they were originally taught when coming up, and then they just hit that over and over again. Well, Briles is definitely not a guy who is that.

Oh yeah, also I want more thugs in the locker room. I want a few guys who would be in jail if they weren't football players.

We should transition to an offense closer to what LaFleur OC'd in Tennessee, more of a run-heavy attack. Not only will Love start at QB, our WR room is going to take a hit, but we still have a quality OL and one of the best RB duos in the league. Go back to that, run to set up the pass/PA.

MLF and AR also collaborated on the playbook to mainly put together plays that Rodgers liked, and it didn't seem to me like there was a similar "Love playbook" when Jordan was in. We should probably change that now that Love (I expect) is our Franchise QB

D looks to be in good shape if we bring back Campbell and/or Rasul, I would just add a few guys who can rush the passer with one or both of the Smiths likely gone (not necessarily EDGE rushers, some IDL or ILBs who can do the job are just as good if not better).

We also may need to add some safety talent. Amos is likely gone soon, and Savage while decent does not appear to be the Nick Collins-level gamechanger a lot of us were hoping.

And for the love of everything good and holy, hire a competent ST coach.

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2022 08:54

NCF wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2022 08:51

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2022 08:45

3. And if 12 leaves, Love/tbd having speed will be a great benefit.

Don't want to accuse you of anything, but I have seen this misconception a few times and I think most understand where it stems from. Athletically, Jordan Love probably compares most directly to Aaron Rodgers. A good enough athlete. Maybe even a sneaky athlete. He doesn't "have speed".

Noted. Thanks. I don't see Love as being a fast guy at QB at all. But I do see him, in his youth, as being a more willing runner than Rodgers at this point, to keep plays alive and move the chains. Maybe more comparable to Aaron a few years back.

I'm also not asking for a "running QB" either. I don't believe the idea that today's NFL is a "running QB league" now and there's no place for pocket passers. Seems like Matthew Stafford is holding his own. And Brady. And Rodgers before January. Etc...

Comparing Love with Rodgers in any way is absurd. If Love were a backup on any team besides the Packers this forum would be goofing on him. Unfortunately this is where we are at. Tough spot going forward.

That is easy. Trade Rodgers and use the 1st the get for him to draft a WR#1. If he is still worth a 1st to anyone.

Fyi, if Adams and Rodgers go together to the same team, he is worth a #1 and maybe a #3 this year or a #2 next year. If they go to different teams the most he is worth is a late 1st or an early 2nd. But Denver has the money to sign them both.

This might be a little bit off from what you mean, but I really think they need to get rid of this asinine organizational structure where the GM isn't in charge of all aspects of the team. The fact that the president spends a lot of time in the locker room and the cap manager is at the same organizational level as the GM leads to a dysfunctional organization. The Ron Wolf organizational structure is what is needed again. The GM should be in charge of all aspects of the team, the cap manager should merely manage the cap numbers and the president is the GM's boss and handles PR stuff for the organization.

williewasgreat wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2022 05:26

This might be a little bit off from what you mean, but I really think they need to get rid of this asinine organizational structure where the GM isn't in charge of all aspects of the team. The fact that the president spends a lot of time in the locker room and the cap manager is at the same organizational level as the GM leads to a dysfunctional organization. The Ron Wolf organizational structure is what is needed again. The GM should be in charge of all aspects of the team, the cap manager should merely manage the cap numbers and the president is the GM's boss and handles PR stuff for the organization.

It's hard for me to back that because this current structure has provided the best rosters the Packers have had consistently in my lifetime. I can't argue with the rosters that have been put on the field.

williewasgreat wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2022 05:26

This might be a little bit off from what you mean, but I really think they need to get rid of this asinine organizational structure where the GM isn't in charge of all aspects of the team. The fact that the president spends a lot of time in the locker room and the cap manager is at the same organizational level as the GM leads to a dysfunctional organization. The Ron Wolf organizational structure is what is needed again. The GM should be in charge of all aspects of the team, the cap manager should merely manage the cap numbers and the president is the GM's boss and handles PR stuff for the organization.

spot on, when the cap finance person (Russ Ball) tells the coach he can't hire a cord of his chosing because it cost a mil. to much even though it doesn't count against the cap you certainly have the cart in front of the horse, leave Rush Ball and Mark Murphy to do there thing and let football people run this team.