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We should start keeping track of these.

Jalen Wydermyer is a playmaker at the tight end position whose game will surely translate to the next level. Wydermyer had immediate success at Texas A&M as he started as a true freshman and earned Freshman All-American honors. Physically, Wydermyer is exactly what you want at the tight end position with outstanding size and very good overall athleticism. His bread and butter are his ability to win as a receiving tight end. He offers a huge frame and an extremely large catch radius to give his quarterback an easy target. Wydermyer has good body control and displays natural hands and catches the ball cleanly. He is a build-to-speed runner who lacks an explosive burst but can cover ground with a long stride.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/jale ... 4SpmSXxxzx

Wydermeyer has been a guy I've been looking at too for a good pick for us.

I would take J Williams in a heartbeat and would think he would be ready late in the season

Oh he’s a speed rusher who stinks in run support and edge setting but flies after QBs. Fascinating! I’m intrigued.

NCF wrote: ↑

02 Mar 2022 10:26

Is "speed you can't see" almost like Jordy Nelson being "sneaky fast"?

lol

Truth is, Jordy was fast!

While it's obvious that the Pack needs a couple of WRs, I actually get more excited about a diverse TE! I've been wanting one since JerMichael Finley was on board. And then we had to suffer with RichRodg for so long. (Don't get me wrong. I loved Richard and his work ethic and good hands. But he was like watching Paul Silas play basketball so long ago. No knocks on Silas either!)

[mention]Scott4Pack[/mention]

There was an interesting discussion on Twitter this morning about Speed Score and how we should be looking at that more closely than 40 times. Jordy Nelson is the poster child for that argument.



Speed Score – Bill Barnwell first posited the metric in Pro Football Prospectus to better predict running back success. The formula is (weight*200) / (40-time^4). It factors weight into a player’s 40-yard dash time assigning a premium to fast times run by bigger, often stronger, running backs.

Height-adjusted Speed Score (HaSS) – first discussed by Shawn Siegele on his Money In The Banana Stand blog, it builds on Bill Barwell’s Speed Score concept to create a more relevant metric for wide receivers and tight ends. Unlike running backs, weight and height are correlated to wide receiver and tight end production, because height expands the player’s catch radius. HaSS layers height into the traditional speed score equation by also dividing the player’s height by the average wide receiver height: 73.0 inches (6’1”) or average tight end height: 76.4 inches (6’4 5/12’’). This results in a measure of a player’s speed that also incorporates a premium on both body weight and body length.

https://www.playerprofiler.com/terms-glossary/

Sweet! I'm gonna have to check out that web site.

NCF wrote: ↑

29 Mar 2022 09:37

@Scott4Pack

There was an interesting discussion on Twitter this morning about Speed Score and how we should be looking at that more closely than 40 times. Jordy Nelson is the poster child for that argument.



Speed Score – Bill Barnwell first posited the metric in Pro Football Prospectus to better predict running back success. The formula is (weight*200) / (40-time^4). It factors weight into a player’s 40-yard dash time assigning a premium to fast times run by bigger, often stronger, running backs.

Height-adjusted Speed Score (HaSS) – first discussed by Shawn Siegele on his Money In The Banana Stand blog, it builds on Bill Barwell’s Speed Score concept to create a more relevant metric for wide receivers and tight ends. Unlike running backs, weight and height are correlated to wide receiver and tight end production, because height expands the player’s catch radius. HaSS layers height into the traditional speed score equation by also dividing the player’s height by the average wide receiver height: 73.0 inches (6’1”) or average tight end height: 76.4 inches (6’4 5/12’’). This results in a measure of a player’s speed that also incorporates a premium on both body weight and body length.

https://www.playerprofiler.com/terms-glossary/

Burks is my favorite WR in this draft. Would be happy with Williams, too. Then we need the guy Amari was supposed to be.

wallyuwl wrote: ↑

29 Mar 2022 12:03

NCF wrote: ↑

29 Mar 2022 09:37

@Scott4Pack

There was an interesting discussion on Twitter this morning about Speed Score and how we should be looking at that more closely than 40 times. Jordy Nelson is the poster child for that argument.



Speed Score – Bill Barnwell first posited the metric in Pro Football Prospectus to better predict running back success. The formula is (weight*200) / (40-time^4). It factors weight into a player’s 40-yard dash time assigning a premium to fast times run by bigger, often stronger, running backs.

Height-adjusted Speed Score (HaSS) – first discussed by Shawn Siegele on his Money In The Banana Stand blog, it builds on Bill Barwell’s Speed Score concept to create a more relevant metric for wide receivers and tight ends. Unlike running backs, weight and height are correlated to wide receiver and tight end production, because height expands the player’s catch radius. HaSS layers height into the traditional speed score equation by also dividing the player’s height by the average wide receiver height: 73.0 inches (6’1”) or average tight end height: 76.4 inches (6’4 5/12’’). This results in a measure of a player’s speed that also incorporates a premium on both body weight and body length.

https://www.playerprofiler.com/terms-glossary/

Burks is my favorite WR in this draft. Would be happy with Williams, too. Then we need the guy Amari was supposed to be.

of the receivers we may have a chance to take or move up a few slots to get I agree Burks is my fav, if I could have my choice though I'd draft Wilson in a N Y minute, he's as close to what Justin Jefferson is in this class of any I've watched, with the right team and QB he's going to be a star.

there are so many in this class that can help this team though, which says that this is a good class, as well as points out just how limited our receiver group is, we can use a field stretching speedster, a slot guy ( maybe Aaron Rodgers) and a boundary wide out that can do some of the work we'll miss from Adams.

we see GM's every year rebuild a position in one draft, with our lack of UFA money to buy a guy, Gute might just take two early and another late, or he might take another QB

Yoop wrote: ↑

29 Mar 2022 13:19

of the receivers we may have a chance to take or move up a few slots to get I agree Burks is my fav, if I could have my choice though I'd draft Wilson in a N Y minute, he's as close to what Justin Jefferson is in this class of any I've watched, with the right team and QB he's going to be a star.

We disagree often, but I am with you 100% here. These are my two guys at the top.

That mock i posted yesterday had Wilson going #4 overall so we best be ready to trade up.

BF004 wrote: ↑

29 Mar 2022 14:00

That mock i posted yesterday had Wilson going #4 overall so we best be ready to trade up.

I love Wilson, but would much rather have another EDGE guy, or an OL, or a DL, or a S, or some combination rather than paying what it would take to go up to get him. Burks seems to be in that sweet spot where he might actually be there at 22 or a small trade up should get the job done.

NCF wrote: ↑

29 Mar 2022 14:03

BF004 wrote: ↑

29 Mar 2022 14:00

That mock i posted yesterday had Wilson going #4 overall so we best be ready to trade up.

I love Wilson, but would much rather have another EDGE guy, or an OL, or a DL, or a S, or some combination rather than paying what it would take to go up to get him. Burks seems to be in that sweet spot where he might actually be there at 22 or a small trade up should get the job done.

Burks is being mentioned by some draft guys as a "the media likes him more than the teams seem to" kind of guys. Honestly wouldn't be shocked if he's there at 28; definitely wouldn't move up from 22 for him.

He also doesn't seem like the type of guy the Chiefs would target (could be wrong), so that's another point in his favor of becoming a Packer.

the packers may want to start targeting guys they think the chiefs would target, in terms of the WR position at least.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

29 Mar 2022 14:15

the packers may want to start targeting guys they think the chiefs would target, in terms of the WR position at least.

Why? The Cheifs' WR drafting has been "let's take the guy who no one else is touching with a 10-foot pole because he beat his pregnant girlfriend" and then a ton of misses. Mecole Hardman has been less productive as a 2nd round pick than MVS was as our 5th rounder.

There is no reason to envy the Chiefs' WR drafting, or position in general. We had Adams and some scheme fit mediocre guys. They had Hill and some scheme fit below average guys.

2021: 5th round, Cornell Powell
2020: none
2019: 2nd round, Mecole Hardman
2018: 6th round, Tremon Smith (converted to CB and kick returner and wound up on the Packers later)
2017: 4th round, Jehu Chesson
2016: 4th round, Demarcus Robinson; 5th round, Tyreek Hill

Let's check out their #2 WR over the years:
2021: Mecole Hardman, 693 yards
2020: Mecole Hardman, 560 yards
2019: Sammy Watkins, 673 yards
2018: Sammy Watkins, 519 yards
2017: Albert Wilson, 554 yards
2016: #1 rookie Tyreek Hill 593 yards; #2 Jeremy Maclin 536 yards


There's just absolutely no reason to look at the Chiefs and say "maybe we should draft/acquire WRs the way they do"