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[lupedafiasco]

Actually it’s not. Lack defense has kept him from winning more.

pretty obvious lol

Defense did their job in 2013, 2014, 2015, 2021.

Just score 23 points in all these games in regulation and Rodgers is moving to the next round. That's 4 seasons out of the 9 playoff appearances after the SB that the defense showed up and the Packers still lost.

You bring up all these years where Rodgers and the defense do enough to win and special teams ruins it.

2014 we played a historically great defense and Rodgers did what he needed to do to win but special teams gave up an obvious TD in a fake FG that anyone with half a brain saw coming and they blew one of the easiest onside kicks ever.

In 2015 Rodgers had literally nothing to throw to. It was worse than it is now running out Janis and Abbrederis and he did enough to get us to OT until Randall’s stupid ass thought we were in zone and turned Fitzgerald lose.

2021 again Rodgers did what he needed to given the circumstances of a banged up OL, &%$@ receivers, and an inept coach. The special teams were insurmountable.

[Drj820]

pretty obvious lol

Defense did their job in 2013, 2014, 2015, 2021.

Just score 23 points in all these games in regulation and Rodgers is moving to the next round. That's 4 seasons out of the 9 playoff appearances after the SB that the defense showed up and the Packers still lost.

You bring up all these years where Rodgers and the defense do enough to win and special teams ruins it.

2014 we played a historically great defense and Rodgers did what he needed to do to win but special teams gave up an obvious TD in a fake FG that anyone with half a brain saw coming and they blew one of the easiest onside kicks ever.

In 2015 Rodgers had literally nothing to throw to. It was worse than it is now running out Janis and Abbrederis and he did enough to get us to OT until Randall’s stupid ass thought we were in zone and turned Fitzgerald lose.

2021 again Rodgers did what he needed to given the circumstances of a banged up OL, &%$@ receivers, and an inept coach. The special teams were insurmountable.

Like the Packer front office, many forget the importance of special teams in here

[go pak go]

pretty obvious lol

Defense did their job in 2013, 2014, 2015, 2021.

Just score 23 points in all these games in regulation and Rodgers is moving to the next round. That's 4 seasons out of the 9 playoff appearances after the SB that the defense showed up and the Packers still lost.

You bring up all these years where Rodgers and the defense do enough to win and special teams ruins it.

2014 we played a historically great defense and Rodgers did what he needed to do to win but special teams gave up an obvious TD in a fake FG that anyone with half a brain saw coming and they blew one of the easiest onside kicks ever.

In 2015 Rodgers had literally nothing to throw to. It was worse than it is now running out Janis and Abbrederis and he did enough to get us to OT until Randall’s stupid ass thought we were in zone and turned Fitzgerald lose.

2021 again Rodgers did what he needed to given the circumstances of a banged up OL, &%$@ receivers, and an inept coach. The special teams were insurmountable.

That's fine. Then change the language to "Special Teams held Rogers back from winning more" rather than defense. But it's always defense that is brought up.

And I will never get on board with Rodgers did enough to win in 2021. 10 points of production is never winning football. That is a losing performance. That's like congratulating the defense for playing winning football in a 45 to 42 victory.

[go pak go]

Defense did their job in 2013, 2014, 2015, 2021.

Just score 23 points in all these games in regulation and Rodgers is moving to the next round. That's 4 seasons out of the 9 playoff appearances after the SB that the defense showed up and the Packers still lost.

You bring up all these years where Rodgers and the defense do enough to win and special teams ruins it.

2014 we played a historically great defense and Rodgers did what he needed to do to win but special teams gave up an obvious TD in a fake FG that anyone with half a brain saw coming and they blew one of the easiest onside kicks ever.

In 2015 Rodgers had literally nothing to throw to. It was worse than it is now running out Janis and Abbrederis and he did enough to get us to OT until Randall’s stupid ass thought we were in zone and turned Fitzgerald lose.

2021 again Rodgers did what he needed to given the circumstances of a banged up OL, &%$@ receivers, and an inept coach. The special teams were insurmountable.

Like the Packer front office, many forget the importance of special teams in here

like you?

Actually it’s not. Lack defense has kept him from winning more.

pretty obvious lol

[Yoop]

I can't believe anyone would blame Rodgers for so many PO exits, in every loss there are other obvious miscues besides just the few he makes, which in one game or another every QB makes, the odds are against us to ever have a QB close to his ability, and the argument that we don't need one like him is that a great defense and running game will be good enough, I'am astounded at the short sightedness of some of you, we been building this defense for over a decade, and ST's holds the record for the most ineptness of any unit in the league, a quality defense such as the talent that we have now is so short lived, and the same with ST's, and teams will shut down our running game minus the fear of a passing attack just as the Jets and Commanders did.

there is a valid reason QB's like Rodgers get paid what he got, the alternative is far worse without him, your all going to gain first hand knowledge of that in another couple years

[Labrev]

At the end of the day it's about pointing up more points than the other team, regardless how the other team got them. Sorry, but 13-22 points is not "insurmountable," especially if you purport to be an elite QB; Josh McCown could have won the SF game last year.

Also, Rodgers did not have a GOOD game most of those losses. You have to go back to 2015 when the team lost a playoff game but Rodgers himself actually played well. That and 2009 are basically the only times where we can say that. He was bad in pretty much all the other losses.

[lupedafiasco]

Defense did their job in 2013, 2014, 2015, 2021.

Just score 23 points in all these games in regulation and Rodgers is moving to the next round. That's 4 seasons out of the 9 playoff appearances after the SB that the defense showed up and the Packers still lost.

You bring up all these years where Rodgers and the defense do enough to win and special teams ruins it.

2014 we played a historically great defense and Rodgers did what he needed to do to win but special teams gave up an obvious TD in a fake FG that anyone with half a brain saw coming and they blew one of the easiest onside kicks ever.

In 2015 Rodgers had literally nothing to throw to. It was worse than it is now running out Janis and Abbrederis and he did enough to get us to OT until Randall’s stupid ass thought we were in zone and turned Fitzgerald lose.

2021 again Rodgers did what he needed to given the circumstances of a banged up OL, &%$@ receivers, and an inept coach. The special teams were insurmountable.

That's fine. Then change the language to "Special Teams held Rogers back from winning more" rather than defense. But it's always defense that is brought up.

And I will never get on board with Rodgers did enough to win in 2021. 10 points of production is never winning football. That is a losing performance. That's like congratulating the defense for playing winning football in a 45 to 42 victory.

Ok but those are the STs gaffe games.

What about 2011? Defense couldn’t stop the Giants and gave up a halftime Hail Mary. 2012 they couldn’t stop Kaep to save their life. 2016 they could stop the Falcons. 2019 they couldn’t stop the 49ers run game. 2020 they King got burned for two long TDs.

Come on man. I know you’re trolling.

[Yoop]

At the end of the day it's about pointing up more points than the other team, regardless how the other team got them. Sorry, but 13-22 points is not "insurmountable," especially if you purport to be an elite QB; Josh McCown could have won the SF game last year.

Also, Rodgers did not have a GOOD game most of those losses. You have to go back to 2015 when the team lost a playoff game but Rodgers himself actually played well. That and 2009 are basically the only times where we can say that. He was bad in pretty much all the other losses.

2020, 7 dropped passes, 2015 mind bending blunder from Bostek just to name two, this bull crap that Rodgers doesn't play well in PO games has always been a defense mechanism to shield the coaching and the lack of talent on the team.

KC is a great example of a team with a expensive QB that doesn't skimp on providing him with impact talent on offense, instead of acknowledging the short comings of the GM's past and present to neglect to furnish a 1st ballot HOF QB with quality at that position, you invent situations where he may have done better, look around the league, and tell me the goal in playoffs isn't to be conservative, limit mistakes, our problem has been others beating ourselves making them, why would anyone expect Rodgers to over come dropped passes, or a Bosteck jumping in front of Jordy Nelson, or all the other issues Rodgers has had to over come, people use Rodgers as a scape goat.

[Raptorman]

Then why does my mind immediately go to Kaepernick running all over the frozen Tundra, HaHa misplaying a 2-point conversion, Burnett laying down, and Tramon getting beat in O.T., Randall not knowing the coverage, and a game winning drive pounded down our throat on the ground?

Defense might have statistically held up those days, but they were abused in the biggest moments, badly.

I'm not looking at stats. I'm looking at raw points at the end of 4 quarters.

2013 - 49ers score 20
2014 - Seattle scores 22 (defense also gives offense plenty of opportunity with 5 turnovers)
2015 - Cardinals score 20
2021 - 49ers score 13 and defense allows 6

For a team that is offensive minded....that is absolutely winning defense. You tell me those scores with us having the most talented player of all time and I am confident we win every game.

I get it. I'm just saying that in every single one of those scenarios the defense gave up the winning points on the final drive.

How the defense does during the regular season matters. How does in the playoffs matters more. Just look at the two years E. Manning and the Giants won.

[go pak go]

You bring up all these years where Rodgers and the defense do enough to win and special teams ruins it.

2014 we played a historically great defense and Rodgers did what he needed to do to win but special teams gave up an obvious TD in a fake FG that anyone with half a brain saw coming and they blew one of the easiest onside kicks ever.

In 2015 Rodgers had literally nothing to throw to. It was worse than it is now running out Janis and Abbrederis and he did enough to get us to OT until Randall’s stupid ass thought we were in zone and turned Fitzgerald lose.

2021 again Rodgers did what he needed to given the circumstances of a banged up OL, &%$@ receivers, and an inept coach. The special teams were insurmountable.

That's fine. Then change the language to "Special Teams held Rogers back from winning more" rather than defense. But it's always defense that is brought up.

And I will never get on board with Rodgers did enough to win in 2021. 10 points of production is never winning football. That is a losing performance. That's like congratulating the defense for playing winning football in a 45 to 42 victory.

Ok but those are the STs gaffe games.

What about 2011? Defense couldn’t stop the Giants and gave up a halftime Hail Mary. 2012 they couldn’t stop Kaep to save their life. 2016 they could stop the Falcons. 2019 they couldn’t stop the 49ers run game. 2020 they King got burned for two long TDs.

Come on man. I know you’re trolling.

2011, 2012, 2016, 2020 would be the other part of the 5 of 9 losses (that's how math works). And the defense does and should own part of the responsibility on those.

To say the defense is the reason Rodgers doesn't have more wins is only correct 5 of the 9 seasons. 4 of the 9 seasons the defense did their part.

In the NFL, 4 of 9 seasons having a defense doing their part honestly is pretty damn good. Yoop talks all the time how hard it is to have a consistently good defense. The narrative is dumb. It makes no sense to continue to slam a defense over 9 seasons in the playoffs when 4 of those losses the defense allowed 20, 22 (and created 5 turnovers), 20, and 6 points. That's not losing football from a defensive standpoint if you are the Packers.

At least work a little harder to point the blame to the respective correct parties.

[lupedafiasco]

That's fine. Then change the language to "Special Teams held Rogers back from winning more" rather than defense. But it's always defense that is brought up.

And I will never get on board with Rodgers did enough to win in 2021. 10 points of production is never winning football. That is a losing performance. That's like congratulating the defense for playing winning football in a 45 to 42 victory.

Ok but those are the STs gaffe games.

What about 2011? Defense couldn’t stop the Giants and gave up a halftime Hail Mary. 2012 they couldn’t stop Kaep to save their life. 2016 they could stop the Falcons. 2019 they couldn’t stop the 49ers run game. 2020 they King got burned for two long TDs.

Come on man. I know you’re trolling.

2011, 2012, 2016, 2020 would be the other part of the 5 of 9 losses (that's how math works). And the defense does and should own part of the responsibility on those.

To say the defense is the reason Rodgers doesn't have more wins is only correct 5 of the 9 seasons. 4 of the 9 seasons the defense did their part.

In the NFL, 4 of 9 seasons having a defense doing their part honestly is pretty damn good. Yoop talks all the time how hard it is to have a consistently good defense. The narrative is dumb. It makes no sense to continue to slam a defense over 9 seasons in the playoffs when 4 of those losses the defense allowed 20, 22 (and created 5 turnovers), 20, and 6 points. That's not losing football from a defensive standpoint if you are the Packers.

At least work a little harder to point the blame to the respective correct parties.

I think you are leaving out the opponents. In all those losses except maybe the 2015 loss to the Cardinals the opposition had a significantly better defense. Some of them are historically great defenses.

[Drj820]

Defense, offense, special teams…doesn’t matter which side of the ball you want to blame..they’ve all fallen short in January for one reason…toughness. The packers for over a decade have been a finesse team. They roll bad teams, and get smacked in the mouth by tough teams. They rarely deliver the smacking themselves. Could be Tampa smacking Aaron Jones and making him fumble, San Fran running for 200 yards, STs choking…doesn’t matter. The common theme is meeting a physical team that likes to impose their will and the packers getting tight and losing the game.

It’s a mentality and the packers lack it

[lupedafiasco]

Defense, offense, special teams…doesn’t matter which side of the ball you want to blame..they’ve all fallen short in January for one reason…toughness. The packers for over a decade have been a finesse team. They roll bad teams, and get smacked in the mouth by tough teams. They rarely deliver the smacking themselves. Could be Tampa smacking Aaron Jones and making him fumble, San Fran running for 200 yards, STs choking…doesn’t matter. The common theme is meeting a physical team that likes to impose their will and the packers getting tight and losing the game.

It’s a mentality and the packers lack it

Its the roster construction. Theyve routinely had poor run offenses and/or poor run defenses. So they get pounded in the trenches and wear down which leads to being discouraged.

[Yoop]

3 best defenses the last 12 years, are 2010, ( only top 10 defense in Rodgers career) and 2020, and 2021 about 12 th each, the 4th best was 2015 with a 15 ranking

https://lombardiave.com/2022/07/06/pack ... dgers-era/

seems pretty accurate to me, 2011 we had the 32nd ranked defense in the league

again, we spent tons of resources to build defense, and we are stocked with players due either resigning or we'll let them walk, I remember going 5 years to getting a FS to match with Burnette, years waiting to get a Campbell, and a stretch of about 4 years where we lost every starter from a position group or another,, so ya, I'll stand by my post that it is very difficult to keep a talented defense together, we spent practically every high pick doing it, and have one top 10 defense to show for it.

Offense is more simple, a good to great QB, a handful of quality receiver talent, a OL that can pass pro, and your good to go, sorta obvious when ya look where draft capitol went, might not be the best formula for winning SB's, but it'll open the front door.

GPG quote

n the NFL, 4 of 9 seasons having a defense doing their part honestly is pretty damn good. Yoop talks all the time how hard it is to have a consistently good defense. The narrative is dumb. It makes no sense to continue to slam a defense over 9 seasons in the playoffs when 4 of those losses the defense allowed 20, 22 (and created 5 turnovers), 20, and 6 points. That's not losing football from a defensive standpoint if you are the Packers.

thats 4 top 15 defenses, and 5 much worse, and during the 9 year span how many 1st and 2nd round draft picks went to defense? how many are still on the roster, I don't know why you'd say it's a false narative, very few teams have been able to keep a great defense together as long as they can a offense

[RingoCStarrQB]

3 best defenses the last 12 years, are 2010, ( only top 10 defense in Rodgers career) and 2020, and 2021 about 12 th each, the 4th best was 2015 with a 15 ranking

https://lombardiave.com/2022/07/06/pack ... dgers-era/

seems pretty accurate to me, 2011 we had the 32nd ranked defense in the league

again, we spent tons of resources to build defense, and we are stocked with players due either resigning or we'll let them walk, I remember going 5 years to getting a FS to match with Burnette, years waiting to get a Campbell, and a stretch of about 4 years where we lost every starter from a position group or another,, so ya, I'll stand by my post that it is very difficult to keep a talented defense together, we spent practically every high pick doing it, and have one top 10 defense to show for it.

Offense is more simple, a good to great QB, a handful of quality receiver talent, a OL that can pass pro, and your good to go, sorta obvious when ya look where draft capitol went, might not be the best formula for winning SB's, but it'll open the front door.

GPG quote

n the NFL, 4 of 9 seasons having a defense doing their part honestly is pretty damn good. Yoop talks all the time how hard it is to have a consistently good defense. The narrative is dumb. It makes no sense to continue to slam a defense over 9 seasons in the playoffs when 4 of those losses the defense allowed 20, 22 (and created 5 turnovers), 20, and 6 points. That's not losing football from a defensive standpoint if you are the Packers.

thats 4 top 15 defenses, and 5 much worse, and during the 9 year span how many 1st and 2nd round draft picks went to defense? how many are still on the roster, I don't know why you'd say it's a false narative, very few teams have been able to keep a great defense together as long as they can a offense

Defense is such a beautiful thing when executed properly. Defense Wins Championships and Turnovers Win Games. The Pack is 3 and 5 and -3 overall turnover-wise. We're going on the road Sunday to play in a dome where the opposing team is averaging around 35 points per game on offense. I think as long as we have Rasul and Jaire we have a chance to get turnovers.

“You’re supposed to be a helluva defensive team! Didn’t look like it to me! Eighty yards down the field, just like that!”. "Everybody's grabbin' out there .............. grab grab grab."

[Half Empty]

Or, 11 points per game in the last three.

[BF004]

Yes

[RingoCStarrQB]

So pathetic. He wouldn't have even won this. Vikings and Bears will grasp at anything they can.

So a player wins an award and the team promoting that win is "grasping at anything they can." Wow. But yeah, the team shouldn't have tried to let the fans know that one of their favorite players won a minor award by the NFL.

I'll let this one marinade for a bit and see if you can figure this out on your own.

Even Ringo figured it out.

[BF004]

[paco]

Colts fired Frank Reich.