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I'm a little surprised I haven't seen any discussion about this here yet, considering all the interest in the salary cap and Coronavirus and such. But the Packers revenues came in for a look at the NFL and such, along with some comments about future revenues.

I bolded a couple key points in the article.
Packers earnings show NFL on solid financial footing despite pandemic
By Daniel Kaplan Jul 21, 2020

The financial losses during the COVID-19 pandemic for most sports teams and leagues are staggering, with much of the industry’s business model centered around fans coming through the turnstiles. Jerry Reinsdorf, who owns the Chicago White Sox and Bulls, has said his losses could get into the nine figures. The NBA has said it could lose over $1 billion.

Then there is the NFL, which, despite all the chatter about the league and players needing to hammer out a revenue agreement, not only has had the luxury of time but of money too. On a Zoom call to announce his team’s earnings, Green Bay Packers president Mark Murphy said the national TV and sponsorship check the team gets from the mothership at 345 Park Avenue — league headquarters — is enough by itself to cover player expenses.

And so if you say we play an entire season without any fans, roughly, we would still have two-thirds of our revenue,” Murphy said.

While the other 31 teams don’t release earnings, each club gets the same national revenue payment from the league. So the $296 million in national revenues the Packers got in the fiscal year ending March 31, 2020 means the 32 teams split $9.47 billion before a single ticket was sold. And that number will go higher this year because of annual increases in media contracts.

“Guess you know the big thing to mention there is the first time over $500 million,” Murphy said of the Packers’ overall revenues. “And obviously the national revenue grew at a very healthy pace. I think that’s a tribute to the continuing popularity of the NFL, and shows, and most of that is related to our broadcast agreements that (have) built-in increases in those. And as we look to the future, we feel very, very good about those continuing to grow at that pace.”

Murphy expressed optimism the season would occur, though he is less certain about fans in the stands at Lambeau Field. If fans are allowed, only about 15 percent of the famed venue’s 81,441 seats will get sold (he used a range between 10,000 and 12,000 fans). As many teams have, the Packers are sending a letter today to season ticket holders asking whether they wish to opt-in or out of their ducats this season.

“And this, it’s going to be challenging enough just to put games on and keep our players healthy, our coaches, our staff,” Murphy said. “And then you add in bringing fans into the equation. So we’re going to look at it, maybe by quarters (of the season) or game by game, in terms of determining whether and how many fans to have in the stadium.”

The Packers, like all NFL teams, are going to suffer a significant revenue decline. In the fiscal year ending March 31, the team took in $210.9 million of local revenue, a good portion of which will disappear. That’s why the league and NFLPA are engaged in talks about what to do.

If they do nothing, and hypothetically that is an option, the salary cap gets readjusted next year and according to the union, could decline to $120 million from $198.2 million this season. Nobody wants that, as it would wreak havoc with assembling rosters, and of course near-term player pay.

The NFLPA has proposed spreading the reduction out over the last nine years of the CBA, from 2022 to 2030, Murphy said, so no hit this year or next.

“We don’t think it should be spread out that far,” Murphy said. “Hopefully we can reach a compromise.”


As for the Packers’ earnings themselves, the results rebounded from a year earlier, when they were weighted down by free agent bonuses and a league concussion settlement payment. So the team gets to boast about its net profit rising 9,610.4 percent from $724,000 to $70.3 million.

The Packers, despite playing in the smallest NFL market, rank ninth in the league in revenues (meaning more than a quarter of NFL teams each rake in over half a billion dollars annually.)

The Packers are the only NFL team without an owner (Murphy is the owner representative at league meetings) and the only publicly owned team. A board of directors reports to the team’s 361,169 shareholders representing 5,009,562 shares. While the Packers don’t have the deep pockets of an owner, they have what amounts to a rainy day fund, which is at $411 million.

“[A] lot of uncertainty as every business and every organization has, we do feel, though, that the organization is well-positioned to weather this pandemic,” Murphy said.

The surge in coronavirus cases across the country is concerning, he said, but he’s confident the league can manage.

“You know, I think, quite honestly … when you see the numbers across the country, and particularly in certain states, it does give you some pause,” he said. “But I do, I feel confident in the steps that we’ve taken as a league, the protocols that we’re putting in place. I think our testing is going to be … the most comprehensive of any sport. So I think I feel confident that we’ll get the season in, and whether fans are in the stands, that’s an area where I have a real question.”

Though Murphy is optimistic about the season, he was wearing a polo shirt with the logo of the Ryder Cup Whistling Straits. The 2020 Ryder Cup, originally scheduled to be held this September in Whistling Straits an hour south of Green Bay, has been postponed until 2021.

Hopefully for the NFL, that’s not an omen.
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With no or very few fans the numbers next year won't look as good. Plus Pro Shop revenue will probably be down a lot, which is a big part of their local revenue.

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wallyuwl wrote:
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With no or very few fans the numbers next year won't look as good. Plus Pro Shop revenue will probably be down a lot, which is a big part of their local revenue.
I wonder what the split is for Pro Shop online sales versus on premise. I agree it will be down, but I wonder how much. If they play games, I think online sales and interest in the season should remain strong. Down some, but still strong.
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wallyuwl wrote:
24 Jul 2020 12:34
With no or very few fans the numbers next year won't look as good. Plus Pro Shop revenue will probably be down a lot, which is a big part of their local revenue.
It literally says that in the article--no fans would mean they get about 2/3 of the revenue.

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24 Jul 2020 12:34
With no or very few fans the numbers next year won't look as good. Plus Pro Shop revenue will probably be down a lot, which is a big part of their local revenue.
I wonder what the split is for Pro Shop online sales versus on premise. I agree it will be down, but I wonder how much. If they play games, I think online sales and interest in the season should remain strong. Down some, but still strong.
I expect a lot of sales (like BOGO's etc.) to motivate product sale to try and offset the loss in stadium revenue.
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How do they know the revenues of the other teams outside of the Packers?
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go pak go wrote:
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How do they know the revenues of the other teams outside of the Packers?
the same why one business estimates the expenses of another competing business, wouldn't you think team expenses are similiar for most teams? maybe there are a couple exceptions (Jonesville) but I'd think there all pretty close.

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go pak go wrote:
24 Jul 2020 18:24
How do they know the revenues of the other teams outside of the Packers?
the same why one business estimates the expenses of another competing business, wouldn't you think team expenses are similiar for most teams? maybe there are a couple exceptions (Jonesville) but I'd think there all pretty close.
No it's not about estimating. It's about this statement.
The Packers, despite playing in the smallest NFL market, rank ninth in the league in revenues (meaning more than a quarter of NFL teams each rake in over half a billion dollars annually.)
How do they know this? Especially because the Packers FSTs were such a big hub hub in 2010/2011 showing the NFLPA as a base how much money these teams actually make.

Do teams publicly release their revenue numbers but keep their expense numbers quiet? Are these estimates based on public numbers (like tickets sold times ticket price)?

I just get confused how this "private" information is released.
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I still can't help but feel for all the local owners with bars, restaraunts, loding, The Jersey Store etc.

They are the ones who will feel the real pain here.

Depending on when they bought their property/business...their equity should be fine. But if you got in later on when the buy in price was higher....this would be real tough.
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go pak go wrote:
25 Jul 2020 07:33
Yoop wrote:
25 Jul 2020 06:54
go pak go wrote:
24 Jul 2020 18:24
How do they know the revenues of the other teams outside of the Packers?
the same why one business estimates the expenses of another competing business, wouldn't you think team expenses are similiar for most teams? maybe there are a couple exceptions (Jonesville) but I'd think there all pretty close.
No it's not about estimating. It's about this statement.
The Packers, despite playing in the smallest NFL market, rank ninth in the league in revenues (meaning more than a quarter of NFL teams each rake in over half a billion dollars annually.)
How do they know this? Especially because the Packers FSTs were such a big hub hub in 2010/2011 showing the NFLPA as a base how much money these teams actually make.

Do teams publicly release their revenue numbers but keep their expense numbers quiet? Are these estimates based on public numbers (like tickets sold times ticket price)?

I just get confused how this "private" information is released.
I imagine it has to do with the NFL's financial statements (private). As members, though, I am sure the NFL has to report back to the teams certain aspects and I would assume one of those aspects would be a listing of revenues by teams. As part of revenue sharing, I'm sure everyone has a very close eye on what is being shared versus what is being kept.
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I imagine it has to do with the NFL's financial statements (private). As members, though, I am sure the NFL has to report back to the teams certain aspects and I would assume one of those aspects would be a listing of revenues by teams. As part of revenue sharing, I'm sure everyone has a very close eye on what is being shared versus what is being kept.
Yeah, I believe revenue sharing requires the top eight earning teams to contribute extra more to the bottom eight earring teams so those rankings have always been kept internally, and often published in order without numbers.

I know they've changed revenue sharing in each CBA, so this info may be dated, but that's how it was done for a long time.

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NCF wrote:
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As members, though, I am sure the NFL has to report back to the teams certain aspects and I would assume one of those aspects would be a listing of revenues by teams. As part of revenue sharing, I'm sure everyone has a very close eye on what is being shared versus what is being kept.
Absolutely, everything is checked and audited. Not only because the teams don't trust each other but because the players' cut is tied to the total revenue and they go through it with forensic accountants to make sure they are getting their fair share. When the last CBA was done in 2011, the Owners had siphoned off some cash under the guise of "stadium improvements" and they got caught.
To make it up, each team had to kick in an extra $ 2 million to cover the discrepancy. The NFL doesn't make all of those numbers public, but the league and the individual teams have access to all of the financials. And they all know where they stand on local revenue, tix sales, merch sales etc

Sometimes hear the wealthy owners taking shots at Mike Brown in Cincy - he doesn't do crap to market his team and the other owners are unhappy because their cut from Cincy is anemic year after year
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It is incredible the worldwide brand the packers have built, for such a small market. Every other team in other sports that are from a small market get branded as a “smart market team” and never get on tv. The packers sell themselves well thanks to great tradition, that power G, the beautiful green classic uniforms, and the emphasis Vince Lombardi put on branding and being marketable when he came to town.
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