Super Bowl Thread

[RingoCStarrQB]

As expected, I see the classy ENGLES fans tore up Philly last night.

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I totaled up the pass rusher pressures from our DL, if memory serves it was about 50, I bet the Eagles totals are over 100, our sack numbers are deceptive when you stand them up against pressures

your defending why we lost, we don't get pass pressure, QB's have all day to shred our secondary, and did so

Packers had 111 pressures from their defensive front. Eagles had 100 from their defensive front.

not sure where you got those numbers, seems they are different depending where you look, this is from a quick look on google, and it makes sense to me, in 023 our 2 best had almost twice the whole pressure count of the entire DL this year, Philly had the best defense in the league this year, so your pass rush number would seem awfully low, Jalen Carter IMO would have over half those pressure counts, again different grading groups have differing numbers, and if I do each player according to PFR they will be lower than PFF.

I only watched several Philly games including last night, and their pass rush looked far better than ours, minus all the gimmicks we use to get pressure to boot, why are you and GPG defending our inability to harass the QB? I don't understand, heck all last week we discussed going after Garrett, Crosby or some other possible player to improve it


In 2024, the Green Bay Packers' defensive linemen (DL) had 83 total pressures. This was a decrease from 2023, when Gary and Clark combined for 132 pressures.
Explanation
The Packers' pass rush was inconsistent in 2024.
The Packers' DL had a low pressure rate and average time to throw for opposing quarterbacks.
The Packers' DL used more blitz packages and simulated pressures to generate disruption.
The Packers' DL finished with 45 sacks, but 20 of those came in wins.
The Packers' DL had only seven sacks in the five regular-season losses.
The Packers' DL had a disappointing performance from Kenny Clark, who had a sack rate of 0.3%.
The Packers' DL had a modest performance from Rashan Gary, who had 7.5 sacks.

[Pckfn23]

I totaled up the pass rusher pressures from our DL, if memory serves it was about 50, I bet the Eagles totals are over 100, our sack numbers are deceptive when you stand them up against pressures

your defending why we lost, we don't get pass pressure, QB's have all day to shred our secondary, and did so

Packers had 111 pressures from their defensive front. Eagles had 100 from their defensive front.

not sure where you got those numbers, seems they are different depending where you look, this is from a quick look on google, and it makes sense to me, in 023 our 2 best had almost twice the whole pressure count of the entire DL this year, Philly had the best defense in the league this year, so your pass rush number would seem awfully low, Jalen Carter IMO would have over half those pressure counts, again different grading groups have differing numbers, and if I do each player according to PFR they will be lower than PFF.

I only watched several Philly games including last night, and their pass rush looked far better than ours, minus all the gimmicks we use to get pressure to boot, why are you and GPG defending our inability to harass the QB? I don't understand, heck all last week we discussed going after Garrett, Crosby or some other possible player to improve it

They are from PFR.

The Eagles pass rush was not far superior to ours. In fact it was something they weren't great at. Your perception is based solely on the Super Bowl.

I posted stats with no comment to combat made up numbers you posted. How you see that as defending anything is beyond me.

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Chiefs are 3rd worst in yards per carry on the ground. They are 11th worst in total rushing yards.

Hunt had the 31st most rushing yards in the league and a 3.6 yard average. The worst average among the top 50 rushing leaders. Pacheco wasn't much better at 3.7.

So the question then, in my mind, is this. If you are the Eagles, how do you exploit this weakness to the extent that it tilts the game in your favor? Does it allow you to add an extra DB on most plays to defend against the pass (which will be useful against Mahomes)? Perma-spy Mahomes with a linebacker? Move your linebackers closer to the edge of the box so as to shut down the sideline throws? If you are the Eagles, there has to be some way to take advantage of this. Will it yield a game-changing result? IDK. Having one of the best QB's of all time can mask some deficiencies, I'd imagine.

As I mentioned in the other thread, ANY AND ALL WEAKNESSES WILL BE EXPOSED. The Chiefs could not run the ball. You think if they had a viable running game that the Eagles pass rush would have been as lethal as it was yesterday? I don't- not for a second. 23 and I identified this issue a week before the game. Now we I deserve recognition.

OK, I recognize you - may not sleep tonight, but I recognize you

[wallyuwl]

As expected, I see the classy ENGLES fans tore up Philly last night.

I think this needs a Community Note, that it really is Minneapolis summer 2020.

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Packers had 111 pressures from their defensive front. Eagles had 100 from their defensive front.

not sure where you got those numbers, seems they are different depending where you look, this is from a quick look on google, and it makes sense to me, in 023 our 2 best had almost twice the whole pressure count of the entire DL this year, Philly had the best defense in the league this year, so your pass rush number would seem awfully low, Jalen Carter IMO would have over half those pressure counts, again different grading groups have differing numbers, and if I do each player according to PFR they will be lower than PFF.

I only watched several Philly games including last night, and their pass rush looked far better than ours, minus all the gimmicks we use to get pressure to boot, why are you and GPG defending our inability to harass the QB? I don't understand, heck all last week we discussed going after Garrett, Crosby or some other possible player to improve it

They are from PFR.

The Eagles pass rush was not far superior to ours. In fact it was something they weren't great at. Your perception is based solely on the Super Bowl.

I posted stats with no comment to combat made up numbers you posted. How you see that as defending anything is beyond me.

sorry you guys are right , this year the Eagles rush was not up to their previous years, when they average around 170 pressures, our best in a decade was 171 in 2021, typically we average about 130 to 140, so my perception was tainted by not just the SB, but also previous success.

[williewasgreat]

A lot of the Eagles pass rush success in 5he Super Bowl was due to the fact that the Chiefs OL sucked big time. They have been leaky all season.

[Scott4Pack]

For consideration:

The front 4 of Philly (actually has a little ring to it) can't have anything taken away from them for last night. It's okay to be amazed at how much they whooped the OLine for KC. No doubt. Have hardly seen anything like that. But it's due to various factors and not simply about being 4 future HOFers combined.
1. KC's OLine has been held together by duct tape much of the season. The fact that Mahommes guided them to as many wins as they had, especially in the playoffs, is remarkable in itself.
2. Yeah, those front 4 are very good and still have a higher ceiling than they showed in the regular season.
3. Fangio had a really good game plan is sticking with pressure from the front 4 only. That allowed guys like DeJean and others to have more support than usual and play well in their own right.
4. That front 4 was super-motivated. You could tell they were ready for this game and were ready to take heads. They were much more prepared than KC.

That defense may have played the best defensive Superb Owl of any team ever. And they were a top 5 unit all year. But I'm not ready to suggest that they return from other-worldly in the SB to being routinely a very good D next September. They do deserve credit for kicking tail like they did. But we will be able to beat them next year, if only our WRs can hold onto the ball and we don't turn it over!

[Scott4Pack]

So the question then, in my mind, is this. If you are the Eagles, how do you exploit this weakness to the extent that it tilts the game in your favor? Does it allow you to add an extra DB on most plays to defend against the pass (which will be useful against Mahomes)? Perma-spy Mahomes with a linebacker? Move your linebackers closer to the edge of the box so as to shut down the sideline throws? If you are the Eagles, there has to be some way to take advantage of this. Will it yield a game-changing result? IDK. Having one of the best QB's of all time can mask some deficiencies, I'd imagine.

As I mentioned in the other thread, ANY AND ALL WEAKNESSES WILL BE EXPOSED. The Chiefs could not run the ball. You think if they had a viable running game that the Eagles pass rush would have been as lethal as it was yesterday? I don't- not for a second. 23 and I identified this issue a week before the game. Now we I deserve recognition.

the biggest issues was the Chiefs had to play catch up ball, which played right into the strength of the Philly defense, pass rush, Pilly got outstanding pressure from just there front 4, which allowed them a extra coverage defender, as well as a player off ball to stop any big runs, recognition granted

I'm thinking you were watching a different game than I was. The Eagles were asserting their will from the onset. It only took less than a half for the score to reveal that. If the first INT wasn't enough, then the 2nd (Baun's) surely was.

The Chiefs couldn't/wouldn't run the ball and the Eagles knew it coming in. Their front four teed off all game.

I have to wonder why Andy Reid didn't occasionally run earlier. It's like, run, even when you can't, just so the front line doesn't get caved every snap. Mahommes must've been praying for mercy.

[APB]

Every day is more inexcusable to take Hordan Morgan over Dejean. My god is he a great player.

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Every day is more inexcusable to take Hordan Morgan over Dejean. My god is he a great player.

I like DeJean, but was not enamored by him, Nagler made a great point, Williams played just as well till the injury shut him down, so well he also made the all rookie team, and OL often take a year to start, to bad he got hurt, we may have beaten Philly

[Labrev]

I was initially really big on DeJean but I cooled a little on him because he's not that great of a fit in a defense that runs lots of man coverage, COD not a strength. He was actually a better fit for the scheme Barry ran, which itself is based on the defense of the current Eagles DC, Fangio. I still kinda wanted him, but more for S opposite McKinney.

So yeah, I really don't see it as some egregious error to pass on him. I mean he nearly fell to our 2 for cripes sake.

CB is also not what cost us this year, it was our inability to score points, when we only needed 23 to win (probably less if we throw one less INT). It's a need, but it's not what cost us this year.

[NCF]

So yeah, I really don't see it as some egregious error to pass on him. I mean he nearly fell to our 2 for cripes sake.

He did!! We traded down from our spot in Round 2.

[go pak go]

I was initially really big on DeJean but I cooled a little on him because he's not that great of a fit in a defense that runs lots of man coverage, COD not a strength. He was actually a better fit for the scheme Barry ran, which itself is based on the defense of the current Eagles DC, Fangio. I still kinda wanted him, but more for S opposite McKinney.

So yeah, I really don't see it as some egregious error to pass on him. I mean he nearly fell to our 2 for cripes sake.

CB is also not what cost us this year, it was our inability to score points, when we only needed 23 to win (probably less if we throw one less INT). It's a need, but it's not what cost us this year.

If Javon Bullard ends up being a great nickle and Williams is a great safety...all will be forgiven for sure.

Right now I think we are all more confident Williams will be that guy whereas the jury is still out on Bullard.

[RingoCStarrQB]

Some people were trying to put the Chiefs (Andy Reid) and Engles on pedestals above Halas and Lambeau with respect to championships, consecutive or otherwise. Morons! Engles drooling over their prior wins over the 1960 Lombardi Packers and one of the Bellichicky Brady teams. Morons! Irrational Twisted Spastics!

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Some people were trying to put the Chiefs (Andy Reid) and Engles on pedestals above Halas and Lambeau with respect to championships, consecutive or otherwise. Morons! Engles drooling over their prior wins over the 1960 Lombardi Packers and one of the Bellichicky Brady teams. Morons! Irrational Twisted Spastics!

we've been disrespected immensely

[NCF]

I just had to double-check this again. Absolutely insane.

Since the Packers have won the Super Bowl in 2010 (January 2011), there have been 14 Super Bowls. Exactly 4 of those games have featured neither Brady or Mahomes (and only 1 in the last 9 years). One game featured both. In those 4 years where neither made it, those teams lost in the AFC Title Game.

On the NFC side, it's been nothing but parity. SF has made 7 NFCCG appearances and 0 Super Bowl Titles to show for it. Next, somewhat surprisingly is your GB Packers with 4. Then, Philly with 3.

The others:

ATL, SEA, LA with 2
NYG, CAR, ARZ, MN, NO, TB, DET, & WAS with 1

I'm sure this has all been digested before, but crazy how one conference has been completely dominated by 2 teams and the other conference has been practically wide open.

[Cdragon]

I just had to double-check this again. Absolutely insane.

Since the Packers have won the Super Bowl in 2010 (January 2011), there have been 14 Super Bowls. Exactly 4 of those games have featured neither Brady or Mahomes (and only 1 in the last 9 years). One game featured both. In those 4 years where neither made it, those teams lost in the AFC Title Game.

On the NFC side, it's been nothing but parity. SF has made 7 NFCCG appearances and 0 Super Bowl Titles to show for it. Next, somewhat surprisingly is your GB Packers with 4. Then, Philly with 3.

The others:

ATL, SEA, LA with 2
NYG, CAR, ARZ, MN, NO, TB, DET, & WAS with 1

I'm sure this has all been digested before, but crazy how one conference has been completely dominated by 2 teams and the other conference has been practically wide open.

I think part of it is the cake walk theory, and major part of that is bad owners picking bad GMs endlessly turning their franchises inside out. With supposed parity everybody should rise and fall. In reality too many teams never get off the floor.

[RingoCStarrQB]

Only 2 women shot during the ENGLES parade today. Someone tried cutting into the Port-a-Potty line.