General Packer News 2021

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Who?

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Who?

I don't know, but Ken Ingalls had either liked it or retweeted it, so I thought it was credible.

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now confirmed through other sources.

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Seriously, I am frustrated with King as much as the next guy. The guy is physically good, combined with occasional lapses of any thinking ability. But he is usable. I'm more concerned that we need depth at CB and that hasn't happened yet. But then, the first week of real FA action is in the books. We wouldn't expect to sign depth at this point.

No way. We need to sign a starter and draft depth. No need wasting a roster spot and money on veteran depth.

But like I said, at this point the "starter" we sign may be the starting nickel defender, upgrading on Sullivan, while letting Jackson and Hollman and a draft pick vie for the outside spot.

[Pckfn23]

I don't mind the idea of keeping the band together for a 2021 run. The only piece we really lost Linsley. Add a draft piece at guard or center and that can be dealt with. For a team that was right there last year, it's not a horrible strategy, especially considering the resources.

[YoHoChecko]

Absolutely--keeping the team together as much as we can afford and looking for inexpensive ways to sprinkle in upgrades, counting on development of young guys who haven't had many reps (AJ Dillon, Deguara, Martin, Barnes, Keke, Jackson, etc), and drafting for depth and STs is the absolute right approach to an offseason for a very good team with a window wide open...

it's the "inexpensive ways to sprinkle in upgrades" part that people are consternated about at the moment; but the "inexpensive" market is still open, so hopefully we see some sort of movement

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I mean if we are being honest with ourselves, the formula for the 2021 is the following:

1. Stay at the level you are on offense (could see even a little bit of a drop and be okay)
2. Get production out of the Smiths and Gary to where they should capable of performing.

Those two things happen....we are a legit football team. I mean legit. Those three players were by far the biggest disappointment in 2020. Preston obviously dropped significantly but Z did too. Gary did decent with his snaps but his production needs to be much higher this year. He still got a lot of passes because he's young and didn't play as much.

If we see an in-between year for Z and P (meaning they are better than 2020 but not to the god-level of 2019) and see the expected growth from Gary....the Packers are going to be the favorites in the NFC.

[YoHoChecko]

I mean if we are being honest with ourselves, the formula for the 2021 is the following:

1. Stay at the level you are on offense (could see even a little bit of a drop and be okay)
2. Get production out of the Smiths and Gary to where they should capable of performing.

Those two things happen....we are a legit football team. I mean legit. Those three players were by far the biggest disappointment in 2020. Preston obviously dropped significantly but Z did too. Gary did decent with his snaps but his production needs to be much higher this year. He still got a lot of passes because he's young and didn't play as much.

If we see an in-between year for Z and P (meaning they are better than 2020 but not to the god-level of 2019) and see the expected growth from Gary....the Packers are going to be the favorites in the NFC.

Yes, BUT...

We also can say that the formula for 2021 is getting better play our of our non-Jaire CB positions, as well. And getting better play out of our non-Clark iDL, as well. And getting better play out of our non-Adams WRs, as well.

You're not wrong. But that formula had room to change a bit had we added someone better than King or had JJ Watt taken a discount to come home and may still be on the table if, say, Snacks comes back for a full year in the program or we sign a heady nickel CB to add to the mix.

The formula is mostly continuity and get better play from guys who are on the roster and capable of playing better. But helping to get that better play through competition (be it new players or advanced development on young guys) is also a key component.

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Okay. Now Gute has fell off his rocker. We are paying everybody twice!!!!

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[Pckfn23]

Absolutely--keeping the team together as much as we can afford and looking for inexpensive ways to sprinkle in upgrades, counting on development of young guys who haven't had many reps (AJ Dillon, Deguara, Martin, Barnes, Keke, Jackson, etc), and drafting for depth and STs is the absolute right approach to an offseason for a very good team with a window wide open...

it's the "inexpensive ways to sprinkle in upgrades" part that people are consternated about at the moment; but the "inexpensive" market is still open, so hopefully we see some sort of movement

And we really didn't have the resources to go the expensive upgrades route and still be competitive in 2022.

[go pak go]

Absolutely--keeping the team together as much as we can afford and looking for inexpensive ways to sprinkle in upgrades, counting on development of young guys who haven't had many reps (AJ Dillon, Deguara, Martin, Barnes, Keke, Jackson, etc), and drafting for depth and STs is the absolute right approach to an offseason for a very good team with a window wide open...

it's the "inexpensive ways to sprinkle in upgrades" part that people are consternated about at the moment; but the "inexpensive" market is still open, so hopefully we see some sort of movement

And we really didn't have the resources to go the expensive upgrades route and still be competitive in 2022.

I think this where the hand wringing is founded. We absolutely could have upgraded via expensive resources. We just decided not to and instead decided to keep Lewis, King, Preston and Lowry.

I mean there is quite a bit of cap between 2021 and 2022 in these players that could have been freed up to go after a larger, external target.

I don't think people are wrong for being mad we didn't go that route. But I also think it is unfair or premature to expect that a 2021 free agent, which most players available had poor 2020 seasons, would necessarily be an upgrade of our own players who had poor 2020 seasons just for the sake that they are different players from a different organization.

[Pckfn23]

Absolutely--keeping the team together as much as we can afford and looking for inexpensive ways to sprinkle in upgrades, counting on development of young guys who haven't had many reps (AJ Dillon, Deguara, Martin, Barnes, Keke, Jackson, etc), and drafting for depth and STs is the absolute right approach to an offseason for a very good team with a window wide open...

it's the "inexpensive ways to sprinkle in upgrades" part that people are consternated about at the moment; but the "inexpensive" market is still open, so hopefully we see some sort of movement

And we really didn't have the resources to go the expensive upgrades route and still be competitive in 2022.

I think this where the hand wringing is founded. We absolutely could have upgraded via expensive resources. We just decided not to and instead decided to keep Lewis, King, Preston and Lowry.

I mean there is quite a bit of cap between 2021 and 2022 in these players that could have been freed up to go after a larger, external target.

I don't think people are wrong for being mad we didn't go that route. But I also think it is unfair or premature to expect that a 2021 free agent, which most players available had poor 2020 seasons, would necessarily be an upgrade of our own players who had poor 2020 seasons just for the sake that they are different players from a different organization.

Not exactly, we would have been hard pressed to be better off and still been competitive with the cap in 2022. It simply would have been VERY tough if not impossible. Lewis and King are going to count for less than $6 million in cap space for 2021. That does not equal an expensive free agent. We already reworked Preston Smith's cap hit to save close to what we would have had we cut him. Cutting Lowry weakens an already thin position to only save $3.3 Million. So without signing King, Lewis, and cutting Lowry we save something like $9 million in cap space this year for 1 player and I wouldn't even call that an expensive route to go.

I think you WAY over estimate what we could do without sacrificing 2022 or weakening the team. Do I like the signing of Lewis and King, not especially, but I can see the logic and see that they could be effective pieces.

We were strapped before the cap fell hard. NO ONE could have predicted that 1 year ago.

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Preston Smith is still costing us essentially $8 million if you look at it from a 2021 and 2022 window outlook. Looking at this contract decision of keeping, cutting or restructuring didn't really change.

Basically all Preston Smith's deal did was push his dead cap of $7 - $8 million from 2021 to 2022 and allow us to keep the player for another year. If the Preston has a good year...it will be worth it. If Preston has a 2020 year however, that's where the argument of "we could have used that $8 million for a higher impact player like a Watt and just have Gary take Preston's snaps" starts to hold water.

[Pckfn23]

Why would we look at it from a 2 year perspective for him when we are talking 2021 cap hits??

[wallyuwl]

Looks like they are making moves to free up space to sign someone.

The problem is they wasted a bunch of money signing a guy like King and not Linsley. Kept Preston when they have Z and #52 (Gary). Overpaid Lewis.

If you free up space but use it on the wrong things it puts you in a worse position.

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Legit one of the most entertaining games I've ever watched.

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Preston Smith is still costing us essentially $8 million if you look at it from a 2021 and 2022 window outlook. Looking at this contract decision of keeping, cutting or restructuring didn't really change.

Basically all Preston Smith's deal did was push his dead cap of $7 - $8 million from 2021 to 2022 and allow us to keep the player for another year. If the Preston has a good year...it will be worth it. If Preston has a 2020 year however, that's where the argument of "we could have used that $8 million for a higher impact player like a Watt and just have Gary take Preston's snaps" starts to hold water.

thing is last year was Prestons worst season, each place ya look gives a different # of total pressures, best I can find is last year he only had 26 ( sacks, hits and hurry's), prior he's always been in the mid 40's, so obviously Guty thinks he can bounce back up, hope he's right.
Gary had 40+ and played less then half the snaps, but ya need every bit of pass rush you can get, so we need more then just Z and Gary,

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Preston Smith is still costing us essentially $8 million if you look at it from a 2021 and 2022 window outlook. Looking at this contract decision of keeping, cutting or restructuring didn't really change.

Basically all Preston Smith's deal did was push his dead cap of $7 - $8 million from 2021 to 2022 and allow us to keep the player for another year. If the Preston has a good year...it will be worth it. If Preston has a 2020 year however, that's where the argument of "we could have used that $8 million for a higher impact player like a Watt and just have Gary take Preston's snaps" starts to hold water.

thing is last year was Prestons worst season, each place ya look gives a different # of total pressures, best I can find is last year he only had 26 ( sacks, hits and hurry's), prior he's always been in the mid 40's, so obviously Guty thinks he can bounce back up, hope he's right.
Gary had 40+ and played less then half the snaps, but ya need every bit of pass rush you can get, so we need more then just Z and Gary,

Absolutely. And if he does bounce back, it will be a great decision. If he doesn't, people will have a reason to be upset at the decision.