Rodgers wants out

[Pckfn23]

Paraphrasing:

The people make the organization and build the foundation of those entities.

Never about the draft pick, loves Jordan. Lot of fun. Love coaching staff, teammates, and fanbase.

It's about a philosophy and maybe forgetting about the people, character, culture, doing things the right way.

Last year thrown into motion.

It's about the people.

[Pckfn23]

[Drj820]

Cant say Kenny didn’t try to break some news. Only news I got out of it was that Rodgers likes everyone but Murphy and Gute and their “philosophy” has caused this riff.

[Pckfn23]

[German_Panzer]

Reading between the lines of his interview, Rodgers wants to leave. The only way to fix is to fire Gute, else a trade is virtually unavoidable.

[Scott4Pack]

So let me understand. The guy who not long ago extended his contract and has played for what, 16 years, is NOW and only in the last years, dealing with people issues? Seriously?

I don't want to dismiss anything that Aaron says or feels. But I've been in the workplace for 40 years. I'd have been shocked if "people issues" or "culture issues" were only an issue for ONE of those years.

Maybe he should just shut up and play. He might play 5 more years, if his old bones stay healthy. That isn't very much. And he's drawing away from his legacy with all of this holdout.

[dsr]

Reading between the lines of his interview, Rodgers wants to leave. The only way to fix is to fire Gute, else a trade is virtually unavoidable.

And that's what he thinks is "the right way"? For the GM to be appointed by the QB?

[lupedafiasco]

The way I interpreted it was that Rodgers has not liked the way the organization has handled moving on from players which is fair but it’s like that everywhere.

You think about CM3 talking about being cut wrapping up a 10 year career in a 2 minute phone call. Jordy cut. Graham cut. Sittin cut. Most of them rightfully so but with that Rodgers saw what was coming. He said as much when he said a wrench was thrown in the Packers plans when he won MVP.

I think Rodgers feels he could do a better job which I totally can relate to.

[packman114]

Meanwhile Z and Kenny Clark show up to OTAs. Kenny Mayne said it best "F-you Rodgers!"

This drama is hurting the "people". Which proves It's not about the people, it's about the "person"! What a douche he's turned into. I honestly don't care if he plays or not. But don't trade him, l would let him decide. If he shows up late then make him the #3 QB and play Jordan. Would be fun to see him hold a clipboard all year.

[NCF]

You think about CM3 talking about being cut wrapping up a 10 year career in a 2 minute phone call. Jordy cut. Graham cut. Sittin cut. Most of them rightfully so but with that Rodgers saw what was coming. He said as much when he said a wrench was thrown in the Packers plans when he won MVP.

So let's fact check what has changed...

Sterling Sharpe unceremoniously released by Ron Wolf after injury.
Reggie White not allowed to play again for the Packers by Ron Wolf. Plays for Panthers.
Brett Favre told he will be a back-up QB by Ted Thompson. Traded to Jets.
Charles Woodson unceremoniously released by Ted Thompson. Plays for Raiders.
Jordy Nelson unceremoniously released by Brian Gutekunst. Plays for Raiders.
Clay Matthews becomes a FA and Gutekunst shows no interest in re-signing him. Plays for Rams.

Who exactly did get a happy ending over the course of Packers modern history? Who was told it was their time and left to great fanfare? It doesn't seem like anything has changed.

[go pak go]

The way I interpreted it was that Rodgers has not liked the way the organization has handled moving on from players which is fair but it’s like that everywhere.

You think about CM3 talking about being cut wrapping up a 10 year career in a 2 minute phone call. Jordy cut. Graham cut. Sittin cut. Most of them rightfully so but with that Rodgers saw what was coming. He said as much when he said a wrench was thrown in the Packers plans when he won MVP.

This is the best interpretation I have read and I completely agree.

1. I think it is easily fixable.
2. I don't know if it will get fixed.

I think Rodgers feels he could do a better job which I totally can relate to.

A lot of people do. Usually there is truth that good ideas can come from the staff, but there are also things staff never consider until they get to management. So like most things, it's a combination of both.

[go pak go]

You think about CM3 talking about being cut wrapping up a 10 year career in a 2 minute phone call. Jordy cut. Graham cut. Sittin cut. Most of them rightfully so but with that Rodgers saw what was coming. He said as much when he said a wrench was thrown in the Packers plans when he won MVP.

So let's fact check what has changed...

Sterling Sharpe unceremoniously released by Ron Wolf after injury.
Reggie White not allowed to play again for the Packers by Ron Wolf. Plays for Panthers.
Brett Favre told he will be a back-up QB by Ted Thompson. Traded to Jets.
Charles Woodson unceremoniously released by Ted Thompson. Plays for Raiders.
Jordy Nelson unceremoniously released by Brian Gutekunst. Plays for Raiders.
Clay Matthews becomes a FA and Gutekunst shows no interest in re-signing him. Plays for Rams.

Who exactly did get a happy ending over the course of Packers modern history? Who was told it was their time and left to great fanfare? It doesn't seem like anything has changed.

It's why I don't think he necessarily has a beef with Brian G, but rather the Ron Wolf "Packer Way". It's why he says culture all the time.

And it's becoming more real to him because he knows his time is coming and he wants to leverage his MVP season.

[salmar80]

The way I interpreted it was that Rodgers has not liked the way the organization has handled moving on from players which is fair but it’s like that everywhere.

You think about CM3 talking about being cut wrapping up a 10 year career in a 2 minute phone call. Jordy cut. Graham cut. Sittin cut. Most of them rightfully so but with that Rodgers saw what was coming. He said as much when he said a wrench was thrown in the Packers plans when he won MVP.

I think Rodgers feels he could do a better job which I totally can relate to.

I didn't get much wiser as to what AR EXACTLY wants or requires to mend the relationship.

I guess there's an inherent schism when it comes to a front office handling the players. Does a GM have to have a cold-hearted mindset and think about the players mainly as assets to the organization? Yes. Feelings can't come in way of business decisions. Even superstars are assets. Does that prevent handling the players and transactions in a respectful, personalized way? Sometime that may be hard to do because of time- or other pressures, but an effort to handle things humanely should be made.

Tho at the end of the day, getting cut or traded is getting cut or traded, whether it's by a phone call from an intern, or by the GM coming to your house carrying a parting gift basket (or your locker and "we'll never forget you Brent" -balloons)...

[go pak go]

I just had to fire someone. The person wanted to be good for us so badly but the the technical skills were just lacking and we never saw the improvement.

It's not fun doing that. Though I must admit I don't try feeling bad for myself because the person being fired is in a fare worse position. The whole process of dealing with a termination humanely, while also continuing your business day to day operations is very challenging.

[Drj820]

You think about CM3 talking about being cut wrapping up a 10 year career in a 2 minute phone call. Jordy cut. Graham cut. Sittin cut. Most of them rightfully so but with that Rodgers saw what was coming. He said as much when he said a wrench was thrown in the Packers plans when he won MVP.

So let's fact check what has changed...

Sterling Sharpe unceremoniously released by Ron Wolf after injury.
Reggie White not allowed to play again for the Packers by Ron Wolf. Plays for Panthers.
Brett Favre told he will be a back-up QB by Ted Thompson. Traded to Jets.
Charles Woodson unceremoniously released by Ted Thompson. Plays for Raiders.
Jordy Nelson unceremoniously released by Brian Gutekunst. Plays for Raiders.
Clay Matthews becomes a FA and Gutekunst shows no interest in re-signing him. Plays for Rams.

Who exactly did get a happy ending over the course of Packers modern history? Who was told it was their time and left to great fanfare? It doesn't seem like anything has changed.

It's why I don't think he necessarily has a beef with Brian G, but rather the Ron Wolf "Packer Way". It's why he says culture all the time.

And it's becoming more real to him because he knows his time is coming and he wants to leverage his MVP season.

If that’s the case, Gute needs to realize ASAP this isn’t the 1990s anymore and he needs to learn how to treat people and players who see themselves as humans and not organization pawns.

Rodgers is hurting Guteys ability to attract non desperate players right now with his talk. Gutey needs a quick course correction or he won’t be employable anywhere as GM.

[go pak go]

If that’s the case, Gute needs to realize ASAP this isn’t the 1990s anymore and he needs to learn how to treat people and players who see themselves as humans and not organization pawns.

Rodgers is hurting Guteys ability to attract non desperate players right now with his talk. Gutey needs a quick course correction or he won’t be employable anywhere as GM.

Yeah I would agree. It is also important to note that the Ron Wolf way has been very successful. In fact, the most continuous successful run the last 30 years.

So it's probably a bit in between. But I do think some more extra care and reach out to legends like 52, 87, 63, etc. etc. should be done.

[Drj820]

If that’s the case, Gute needs to realize ASAP this isn’t the 1990s anymore and he needs to learn how to treat people and players who see themselves as humans and not organization pawns.

Rodgers is hurting Guteys ability to attract non desperate players right now with his talk. Gutey needs a quick course correction or he won’t be employable anywhere as GM.

Yeah I would agree. It is also important to note that the Ron Wolf way has been very successful. In fact, the most continuous successful run the last 30 years.

So it's probably a bit in between. But I do think some more extra care and reach out to legends like 52, 87, 63, etc. etc. should be done.

I don’t think it would be successful without the legends and the legends need to be shown respect. Ron Wolf turned the org around in the 90s, legendary Packer...but the success of his system has more to do with landing 2 back to back HOF QBs than his methods of player acquisition and departure.

Rodgers knows the orgs success in the last decade is largely bc of himself and he doesn’t want to get a “thank you” by way of finding out on sports center he’s been canned. Cant blame him.

[Drj820]

All the players seem to think 12 is doing them a service. Gutey must really be a jacka**.

[Yoop]

You think about CM3 talking about being cut wrapping up a 10 year career in a 2 minute phone call. Jordy cut. Graham cut. Sittin cut. Most of them rightfully so but with that Rodgers saw what was coming. He said as much when he said a wrench was thrown in the Packers plans when he won MVP.

So let's fact check what has changed...

Sterling Sharpe unceremoniously released by Ron Wolf after injury.
Reggie White not allowed to play again for the Packers by Ron Wolf. Plays for Panthers.
Brett Favre told he will be a back-up QB by Ted Thompson. Traded to Jets.
Charles Woodson unceremoniously released by Ted Thompson. Plays for Raiders.
Jordy Nelson unceremoniously released by Brian Gutekunst. Plays for Raiders.
Clay Matthews becomes a FA and Gutekunst shows no interest in re-signing him. Plays for Rams.

Who exactly did get a happy ending over the course of Packers modern history? Who was told it was their time and left to great fanfare? It doesn't seem like anything has changed.

unless I'am mistaken, which I'am sure you'll correct me if I'am, only Favre was still under contract, the rest where allowed to finish there contract.

why does a contract protect the employer, but not the worker?

[paco]

Guys and gals, I know what happened. This has nothing to do with Love. This has nothing to do with other players getting cut. This has nothing to do with Gutey. It's not about money.

Aaron's favorite lunch lady and janitor were fired after being there for years. No going away party due to Covid. It's about the people! He's pissed and he won't stand for it. Reports are that the Broncos and every other team, treat their lunch ladies and janitors better than the Packers. And their jobs are dependent on the starting QB's wishes. This is the type of power Rodgers wants.