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[NCF]

This could potentially be a worse WR core than the 2005 squad.

This is always hard to assess. In September, they had the exact same group as they had in 2004 which is one of their best groups ever. Injuries to Walker and Ferguson changed things drastically.

[NCF]

This could potentially be a worse WR core than the 2005 squad.

Only if we promote practice squad players to fill out the rest of the WR slots….ala Ted Thompson.

I also remember the hand-wringing in 2007 where the group of Driver-Jennings-Jones was underwhelming (partially due to the failure to complete the Randy Moss trade). Turned out to be a major strength of that team. We won't know until we see, but I am 100% confident what we have on paper right now is not the group we will see in September.

[APB]

This could potentially be a worse WR core than the 2005 squad.

Only if we promote practice squad players to fill out the rest of the WR slots….ala Ted Thompson.

I also remember the hand-wringing in 2007 where the group of Driver-Jennings-Jones was underwhelming (partially due to the failure to complete the Randy Moss trade). Turned out to be a major strength of that team. We won't know until we see, but I am 100% confident what we have on paper right now is not the group we will see in September.

Exactly. I won't wring my hands in angst based on the March pre-draft roster.

[paco]

Update on cap space.

[Acrobat]

This could potentially be a worse WR core than the 2005 squad.

This is always hard to assess. In September, they had the exact same group as they had in 2004 which is one of their best groups ever. Injuries to Walker and Ferguson changed things drastically.

That is true. I should clarify that I meant it could be worse than that squad post Javon Walker and Ferguson.

Hope I'm wrong and we sign a vet or two because current state, I don't trust Cobb, Lazard, and even a first round pick unless they have a JJ or Chase rookie year.

[Crazylegs Starks]

I also remember the hand-wringing in 2007 where the group of Driver-Jennings-Jones was underwhelming (partially due to the failure to complete the Randy Moss trade). Turned out to be a major strength of that team.
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Remember back in 2007 how they used to throw all those slant routes for big YAC? I miss that.

[NCF]

I also remember the hand-wringing in 2007 where the group of Driver-Jennings-Jones was underwhelming (partially due to the failure to complete the Randy Moss trade). Turned out to be a major strength of that team.
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Remember back in 2007 how they used to throw all those slant routes for big YAC? I miss that.

Favre loved the slant. I don't think Aaron does.

[kampmanfan4life]

Sullivan goes to the Vikings. Solid 3rd/4th cornerback.

[Realist]

I also remember the hand-wringing in 2007 where the group of Driver-Jennings-Jones was underwhelming (partially due to the failure to complete the Randy Moss trade). Turned out to be a major strength of that team.
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Remember back in 2007 how they used to throw all those slant routes for big YAC? I miss that.

Favre loved the slant. I don't think Aaron does.

Rodgers throws a ton of slants. Not sure what u are watching. Goto play with Adams, 3rd down and goal line with every pass catcher on the team.

[salmar80]

Remember back in 2007 how they used to throw all those slant routes for big YAC? I miss that.

Favre loved the slant. I don't think Aaron does.

Rodgers throws a ton of slants. Not sure what u are watching. Goto play with Adams, 3rd down and goal line with every pass catcher on the team.

AR throws them, but doesn't live off slants like some QBs. I'd say AR is very selective about slants, especially deeper slants across the middle, because they have their risks: If a LB manages to surprise, they can step into the lane, and if the pass goes through WR's hands, there's a high risk of INT. AR prefers the curls and outs and backshoulder fades where INT risk is smaller.

[Realist]

Favre loved the slant. I don't think Aaron does.

Rodgers throws a ton of slants. Not sure what u are watching. Goto play with Adams, 3rd down and goal line with every pass catcher on the team.

AR throws them, but doesn't live off slants like some QBs. I'd say AR is very selective about slants, especially deeper slants across the middle, because they have their risks: If a LB manages to surprise, they can step into the lane, and if the pass goes through WR's hands, there's a high risk of INT. AR prefers the curls and outs and backshoulder fades where INT risk is smaller.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2017/0 ... nt-routes/ 2017 But I see him throw back shoulders and slants all the time.

[salmar80]

Rodgers throws a ton of slants. Not sure what u are watching. Goto play with Adams, 3rd down and goal line with every pass catcher on the team.

AR throws them, but doesn't live off slants like some QBs. I'd say AR is very selective about slants, especially deeper slants across the middle, because they have their risks: If a LB manages to surprise, they can step into the lane, and if the pass goes through WR's hands, there's a high risk of INT. AR prefers the curls and outs and backshoulder fades where INT risk is smaller.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2017/0 ... nt-routes/ 2017 But I see him throw back shoulders and slants all the time.

In 2016, AR threw 48 slants out of 610 attempts. I personally don't think 8% of all passes is a lot, and certainly not "all the time". Especially when he had two excellent slant runners in Adams and prime Cobb.

Look, all QBs throw slants. It's a bread-and-butter play. Certainly AR throws them, and is great at them. I just don't think of AR as an especially prolific slant thrower. When I think of AR, other routes spring to mind. And he specifically avoids slants over the middle where the WR gets hit immediately. He'll throw those, but super rarely, while other QBs look like they're trying to get their WRs killed.

[Realist]

AR throws them, but doesn't live off slants like some QBs. I'd say AR is very selective about slants, especially deeper slants across the middle, because they have their risks: If a LB manages to surprise, they can step into the lane, and if the pass goes through WR's hands, there's a high risk of INT. AR prefers the curls and outs and backshoulder fades where INT risk is smaller.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2017/0 ... nt-routes/ 2017 But I see him throw back shoulders and slants all the time.

In 2016, AR threw 48 slants out of 610 attempts. I personally don't think 8% of all passes is a lot, and certainly not "all the time". Especially when he had two excellent slant runners in Adams and prime Cobb.

Look, all QBs throw slants. It's a bread-and-butter play. Certainly AR throws them, and is great at them. I just don't think of AR as an especially prolific slant thrower. When I think of AR, other routes spring to mind. And he specifically avoids slants over the middle where the WR gets hit immediately. He'll throw those, but super rarely, while other QBs look like they're trying to get their WRs killed.

Not sure how I got in this discussion. Rodgers and all qb's throw in spots that get their receivers killed. Rodgers has done it to Adams many times. Cobb and Finley and on on . Didn't mean to derail the thread.

[NCF]

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2017/0 ... nt-routes/ 2017 But I see him throw back shoulders and slants all the time.

In 2016, AR threw 48 slants out of 610 attempts. I personally don't think 8% of all passes is a lot, and certainly not "all the time". Especially when he had two excellent slant runners in Adams and prime Cobb.

Look, all QBs throw slants. It's a bread-and-butter play. Certainly AR throws them, and is great at them. I just don't think of AR as an especially prolific slant thrower. When I think of AR, other routes spring to mind. And he specifically avoids slants over the middle where the WR gets hit immediately. He'll throw those, but super rarely, while other QBs look like they're trying to get their WRs killed.

Not sure how I got in this discussion. Rodgers and all qb's throw in spots that get their receivers killed. Rodgers has done it to Adams many times. Cobb and Finley and on on . Didn't mean to derail the thread.

Pretty sure it goes back to you telling me that “AR throws a ton of slants.”

[RingoCStarrQB]

In 2016, AR threw 48 slants out of 610 attempts. I personally don't think 8% of all passes is a lot, and certainly not "all the time". Especially when he had two excellent slant runners in Adams and prime Cobb.

Look, all QBs throw slants. It's a bread-and-butter play. Certainly AR throws them, and is great at them. I just don't think of AR as an especially prolific slant thrower. When I think of AR, other routes spring to mind. And he specifically avoids slants over the middle where the WR gets hit immediately. He'll throw those, but super rarely, while other QBs look like they're trying to get their WRs killed.

Not sure how I got in this discussion. Rodgers and all qb's throw in spots that get their receivers killed. Rodgers has done it to Adams many times. Cobb and Finley and on on . Didn't mean to derail the thread.

Pretty sure it goes back to you telling me that “AR throws a ton of slants.”

SLANT ROUTE
The slant route is a quick route run up the field where the receiver cuts across the field inside on a diagonal. The route is designed to pick up short to medium gains while giving a receiver the opportunity to turn the ball up field and explode past the defense. The average depth of target of the slant route in the NFL was 6.36 yards, while QBs typically take a three- to five-step drop.

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-the-league ... e-of-route

[NCF]

Ringo posts an article from half a decade ago. Right on brand.

[Yoop]

I also remember the hand-wringing in 2007 where the group of Driver-Jennings-Jones was underwhelming (partially due to the failure to complete the Randy Moss trade). Turned out to be a major strength of that team.
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Remember back in 2007 how they used to throw all those slant routes for big YAC? I miss that.

Favre loved the slant. I don't think Aaron does.

It's a scheme thing, Holmgren used the more pure Bill Walsh WCO, lots of slants, and dump offs to the RB, it's the dink and dunk style invented by him back in the 70's, Mike McCarthy was a big chunk yardage coach, so spread verticals being in vogue Mike designed his offense around that, so obviously we saw him use less slants and dump offs.

If ya want to know more about slants this is a super article that explains the evolution of it well.

The quick slant is the signature play of the West Coast Offense. Since the West Coast is the most prevalent offense in the NFL, it's not an exaggeration to call the slant the most important play in professional football.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/strat ... -and-flats

[go pak go]

Remember back in 2007 how they used to throw all those slant routes for big YAC? I miss that.

Favre loved the slant. I don't think Aaron does.

It's a scheme thing, Holmgren used the more pure Bill Walsh WCO, lots of slants, and dump offs to the RB, it's the dink and dunk style invented by him back in the 70's, Mike McCarthy was a big chunk yardage coach, so spread verticals being in vogue Mike designed his offense around that, so obviously we saw him use less slants and dump offs.

If ya want to know more about slants this is a super article that explains the evolution of it well.

The quick slant is the signature play of the West Coast Offense. Since the West Coast is the most prevalent offense in the NFL, it's not an exaggeration to call the slant the most important play in professional football.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/strat ... -and-flats

Except this wasn't true with McCarthy when he coached Favre.

[Yoop]

Favre loved the slant. I don't think Aaron does.

It's a scheme thing, Holmgren used the more pure Bill Walsh WCO, lots of slants, and dump offs to the RB, it's the dink and dunk style invented by him back in the 70's, Mike McCarthy was a big chunk yardage coach, so spread verticals being in vogue Mike designed his offense around that, so obviously we saw him use less slants and dump offs.

If ya want to know more about slants this is a super article that explains the evolution of it well.

The quick slant is the signature play of the West Coast Offense. Since the West Coast is the most prevalent offense in the NFL, it's not an exaggeration to call the slant the most important play in professional football.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/strat ... -and-flats

Except this wasn't true with McCarthy when he coached Favre.

true, but then why would he, a coach has to take advantage of the best skills a player has, you have to remember McCarthy was Favres QB coach back in the 90's when Holmgrens version of the Walsh scheme was intact, so when we hired him as our HC he was not about to try and reinvent Favre, who by the way never had the deep ball accuracy of Rodgers, once Favre was out the door Mike took advantage of the skills Rodgers had.

McCarthy got a bad rap ( me included) around here, and deservedly so I suppose the last 3 or 4 years, but he was a very good coach, got the very best out of quite a few good QB's, obviously both of our HOFamers

[go pak go]

It's a scheme thing, Holmgren used the more pure Bill Walsh WCO, lots of slants, and dump offs to the RB, it's the dink and dunk style invented by him back in the 70's, Mike McCarthy was a big chunk yardage coach, so spread verticals being in vogue Mike designed his offense around that, so obviously we saw him use less slants and dump offs.

If ya want to know more about slants this is a super article that explains the evolution of it well.

The quick slant is the signature play of the West Coast Offense. Since the West Coast is the most prevalent offense in the NFL, it's not an exaggeration to call the slant the most important play in professional football.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/strat ... -and-flats

Except this wasn't true with McCarthy when he coached Favre.

true, but then why would he, a coach has to take advantage of the best skills a player has, you have to remember McCarthy was Favres QB coach back in the 90's when Holmgrens version of the Walsh scheme was intact, so when we hired him as our HC he was not about to try and reinvent Favre, who by the way never had the deep ball accuracy of Rodgers, once Favre was out the door Mike took advantage of the skills Rodgers had.

McCarthy got a bad rap ( me included) around here, and deservedly so I suppose the last 3 or 4 years, but he was a very good coach, got the very best out of quite a few good QB's, obviously both of our HOFamers

Okay. So you don't disagree with NCF after all.

Your original post made it sounds like Rodgers did his thing and Favre did his thing due to coaching schemes between Holmgren and MM.

But this last one reverts once again to the coach simply playing to the players strengths. Which is what NCF was saying