Green Bay Packers News 2022

[Realist]

It is a hell of lot more fun to talk about AR's nutty GF than reading Brewers' forums these days.

Going 1 and 9 the last 10 games and losing 2 in a row to the Nats has been rough to watch. But then again the Crew is only 1.5 games behind the Cardinals. Hader giving up 2 HRs to the Phillies was ugly too.

Given the starting pitching talent it's hard to imagine the current streak. The Yelich free fall is the most concerning. 3 yr sample size.

[BF004]

Brewers thread: viewtopic.php?t=22

[BF004]

Anyone happen to go to/hear anything about the Donald driver celebrity softball game?

Brent was there for the first time in a hot minute.

[APB]

Gotta believe Yooper and Pugger remember this one.

Everyone remembers this one. We all watched Breaking Bad.

Bonus points if you know what show that Badfinger performance appeared on.

Spoiler

Rollin' on the River, a show hosted by the First Edition which featured Kenny Rogers as their lead singer before he left the band and hit it big in country music.

[Pugger]

Oh boy, we're gonna hear no end of this....

Alright LaBrev.........if its official then you heard it here first.

Turn up the volume and let 'er rip ...........

Gotta believe Yooper and Pugger remember this one.

Yes, I remember. This isn't a bad song.

[BF004]

Anyone happen to go to/hear anything about the Donald driver celebrity softball game?

Brent was there for the first time in a hot minute.

[BF004]

[TheSkeptic]

Apparently he is also a punter and he has the build of a punter. Plus a big leg on kickoffs. It might be interesting if they picked him up as a potential punter and kickoff specialist. I don't see anyone taking Mason's job this year in spite of Mason's inability to get touchbacks or hit beyond 50 yards any more. Last year's punting sucked.

[RingoCStarrQB]

Apparently he is also a punter and he has the build of a punter. Plus a big leg on kickoffs. It might be interesting if they picked him up as a potential punter and kickoff specialist. I don't see anyone taking Mason's job this year in spite of Mason's inability to get touchbacks or hit beyond 50 yards any more. Last year's punting sucked.

We need another Chris Jacke Craig Hentrich Desmond Howard quality trio combined with a competent long snapper and holder.

[BSA]

I don't see anyone taking Mason's job this year in spite of Mason's inability to get touchbacks or hit beyond 50 yards any more.

Incorrect.
Crosby can hit from 50 and was 3 out of 4 from that distance in 2021. He also has more than enough length to kick touchbacks if that's what's needed. If he couldn't - he'd be gone. But his coach asked him to drop the ball short of the EZ so the coverage team could try and pin them deeper than the 25. We'll see how Bisaccia approaches it - but kicks landing in the field of play are by design, not from a lack of power.

So yer 0-2 on your erroneous comments about Mason Crosby.

[Drj820]

I don't see anyone taking Mason's job this year in spite of Mason's inability to get touchbacks or hit beyond 50 yards any more.

Incorrect.
Crosby can hit from 50 and was 3 out of 4 from that distance in 2021. He also has more than enough length to kick touchbacks if that's what's needed. If he couldn't - he'd be gone. But his coach asked him to drop the ball short of the EZ so the coverage team could try and pin them deeper than the 25. We'll see how Bisaccia approaches it - but kicks landing in the field of play are by design, not from a lack of power.

So yer 0-2 on your erroneous comments about Mason Crosby.

did the last awful STs coach say that he was telling Mason not to kick it in the end zone? Because it sure looked like Mason was trying to kick it as hard as he could.

[BF004]

Forgot I did this.

Interesting to see Doubs high too.

Not so good for Toure.

I built up a metric here that will kind of combine Packer traits.

Kind of built off 40 threshold, height/weight, agility, jumping, age, and arm/hand size. Weighted as I saw fit.

I would say the score is most relevant at the top of the draft, it is very highly age weighted, but we have taken a fair amount of older players later in the draft.

But now you don't have to go check 3 cone and RAS and age every time you look at a WR prospect.

Code: Select all

PLAYER                COLLEGE        SUPER BF AWESOME SCORE
Kevin Austin          Notre Dame           2.47
Tyquan Thornton       Baylor               1.69
Alec Pierce           Cincinnati           1.62
George Pickens        Georgia              1.24
Drake London          Southern California  1.22
Christian Watson      North Dakota State   1.17
Romeo Doubs           Nevada               1.01
Jameson Williams      Alabama              0.99
Makai Polk            Mississippi State    0.9
Erik Ezukanma         Texas Tech           0.66
Garrett Wilson        Ohio State           0.65
Mike Woods            Oklahoma             0.64
Dontay Demus          Maryland             0.59
Chris Olave           Ohio State           0.57
Bo Melton             Rutgers              0.5
Devon Williams        Oregon               0.46
Skyy Moore            Western Michigan     0.44
Khalil Shakir         Boise State          0.38
Jayden Reed           Michigan State       0.36
Calvin Austin III     Memphis              0.31
Jalen Tolbert         South Alabama        0.26
Tyler Snead           East Carolina        0.25
Treylon Burks         Arkansas             0.18
John Metchie          Alabama              0.15
Kearis Jackson        Georgia              0.13
Danny Gray            Southern Methodist   0.1
Ty Fryfogle           Indiana              0.04
David Bell            Purdue               0.01
Jalen Nailor          Michigan State       -0.08
Calvin Turner         Hawaii               -0.09
Jerreth Sterns        Western Kentucky     -0.09
Braylon Sanders       Mississippi          -0.15
Emeka Emezie          North Carolina State -0.15
K.D. Nixon            Southern California  -0.32
Jahan Dotson          Penn State           -0.39
Justyn Ross           Clemson              -0.46
Charleston Rambo      Miami (FL)           -0.54
Jaquarii Roberson     Wake Forest          -0.61
Josh Johnson          Tulsa                -0.64
Wan'Dale Robinson     Kentucky             -0.67
Changa Hodge          Virginia Tech        -0.72
Stanley Berryhill III Arizona              -0.72
Tarique Milton        Iowa State           -0.83
Samori Toure          Nebraska             -0.83
Kyle Philips          UCLA                 -0.85
Johnny Johnson III    Oregon               -0.91
Jaivon Heiligh        Coastal Carolina     -0.97
Velus Jones Jr.       Tennessee            -0.98
Tay Martin            Oklahoma State       -1
Tre Turner            Virginia Tech        -1.13
Reggie Roberson Jr.   Southern Methodist   -1.36
Britain Covey         Utah                 -1.4
Slade Bolden          Alabama              -1.53
Dontario Drummond     Mississippi          -1.57

[Yoop]

I don't see anyone taking Mason's job this year in spite of Mason's inability to get touchbacks or hit beyond 50 yards any more.

Incorrect.
Crosby can hit from 50 and was 3 out of 4 from that distance in 2021. He also has more than enough length to kick touchbacks if that's what's needed. If he couldn't - he'd be gone. But his coach asked him to drop the ball short of the EZ so the coverage team could try and pin them deeper than the 25. We'll see how Bisaccia approaches it - but kicks landing in the field of play are by design, not from a lack of power.

So yer 0-2 on your erroneous comments about Mason Crosby.

did the last awful STs coach say that he was telling Mason not to kick it in the end zone? Because it sure looked like Mason was trying to kick it as hard as he could.

I told you and others this same thing two years ago, now BSA is saying the same thing, and if you'd actually email a coach or even Mason himself they'd confirm it.

there is no advantage other then the simple security that the return wont get passed the 25 to kick it into the end zone, zippo, the advantages of pinning a offense at the 15 far out weighs that security, why this common knowledge stuff baffles you makes no sense, Mason attempts to kick high giving coverage time to get a stop prior to the 25, blame the poor coverage, not the kicker.

[BF004]

Incorrect.
Crosby can hit from 50 and was 3 out of 4 from that distance in 2021. He also has more than enough length to kick touchbacks if that's what's needed. If he couldn't - he'd be gone. But his coach asked him to drop the ball short of the EZ so the coverage team could try and pin them deeper than the 25. We'll see how Bisaccia approaches it - but kicks landing in the field of play are by design, not from a lack of power.

So yer 0-2 on your erroneous comments about Mason Crosby.

did the last awful STs coach say that he was telling Mason not to kick it in the end zone? Because it sure looked like Mason was trying to kick it as hard as he could.

I told you and others this same thing two years ago, now BSA is saying the same thing, and if you'd actually email a coach or even Mason himself they'd confirm it.

there is no advantage other then the simple security that the return wont get passed the 25 to kick it into the end zone, zippo, the advantages of pinning a offense at the 15 far out weighs that security, why this common knowledge stuff baffles you makes no sense, Mason attempts to kick high giving coverage time to get a stop prior to the 25, blame the poor coverage, not the kicker.

Do you have their e-mail? I'll gladly send them the question.

I agree at times it was likely strategic, I do also think there are times he couldn't get it there, especially in the colder/windier weather, and then also likely couldn't kick it maybe as high as we'd hope. Not through any fault of Mason, just reality for an older kicker.

But including penalties, excluding touchbacks, our average opponent starting field was the 26.1 yardline. So we on average lost 1.1 yards every time we didn't kick a touchback. (To the contrary, we average the 20.9 yardline as our average starting field positions, including penalties excluding touchbacks )

So not only was it bad strategy (in hindsight), the other disadvantage is for injury opportunities. Sure the other team could get hurt too, be we are done playing those guys in a few quarters and we are stuck with our injuries. The league average is about 23.8, so it should theoretically be a good strategy. But at some point, you need to play to the strengths and weaknesses of your team.


So I don't think Mason's leg is gunna get any stronger, further or higher, so I do hope we rely more on the touchback game next year.

https://bf004.shinyapps.io/Kickoff2/?_g ... 1655225292

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[BF004]

Getting a little recognition here.

Now let's finally live up to some of this hype.

[Yoop]

did the last awful STs coach say that he was telling Mason not to kick it in the end zone? Because it sure looked like Mason was trying to kick it as hard as he could.

I told you and others this same thing two years ago, now BSA is saying the same thing, and if you'd actually email a coach or even Mason himself they'd confirm it.

there is no advantage other then the simple security that the return wont get passed the 25 to kick it into the end zone, zippo, the advantages of pinning a offense at the 15 far out weighs that security, why this common knowledge stuff baffles you makes no sense, Mason attempts to kick high giving coverage time to get a stop prior to the 25, blame the poor coverage, not the kicker.

Do you have their e-mail? I'll gladly send them the question.

I agree at times it was likely strategic, I do also think there are times he couldn't get it there, especially in the colder/windier weather, and then also likely couldn't kick it maybe as high as we'd hope. Not through any fault of Mason, just reality for an older kicker.

But including penalties, excluding touchbacks, our average opponent starting field was the 26.1 yardline. So we on average lost 1.1 yards every time we didn't kick a touchback. (To the contrary, we average the 20.9 yardline as our average starting field positions, including penalties excluding touchbacks )

So not only was it bad strategy (in hindsight), the other disadvantage is for injury opportunities. Sure the other team could get hurt too, be we are done playing those guys in a few quarters and we are stuck with our injuries. The league average is about 23.8, so it should theoretically be a good strategy. But at some point, you need to play to the strengths and weaknesses of your team.


So I don't think Mason's leg is gunna get any stronger, further or higher, so I do hope we rely more on the touchback game next year.

https://bf004.shinyapps.io/Kickoff2/?_g ... 1655225292

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If I had my way we'd do away with kickoffs, but that wont happen, I think your probably right about Mason not getting the hang time any more, and hardly any kickers can get it into the EZ against the wind, specially at Lambeau, I still think our coverage is a big problem, most of the big returns against us have to do with wide open run lanes and poor tackling, and that stuff has little to do with the kicker.

[Yoop]

Getting a little recognition here.

Now let's finally live up to some of this hype.

who now exactly is Mina Kimes?

[BSA]

I agree at times it was likely strategic

Of course it is.
They look at opponent ST's, kick returners, wind, sun angle, stadium configuration ( open vs closed end) and more. They look at it from both ends of the field and it influences decisions on kicking vs receiving and which end to defend. There's a lot that goes into every kick- off and its a fair guess they make different decisions based on time/score etc. During warm-ups, kickers try a few different things to see where they are comfortable on that specific day/venue and then tell the HC so he can plan accordingly

A 53 yard FG has to travel 53 yds and still be 10.1 feet above the ground to clear the crossbar. Kicking off a tee with no defense puts Crosby and other NFL kickers deep into the EZ, more than enough to get a touchback if that's what they want.

On a very cold day, the calculus changes - but that's true of all kickers- not just the older ones.
Baltimore has arguably the best kicker in the league, plays in inclement weather and they come in at # 19 in touchbacks- not because Justin Tucker can't hit em - but because they make the strategic decision not to go that route.

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I'm pretty sure, with as bad as we were on STs last year, that any coach would have strategically taken the Touchback every time rather than risk our Teams unit screw the pooch like it did 3 times every week.

Opponent kickers knocked it into the EZ easily against us. I think it was pretty clear Mason had serious issue getting the ball back there on a consistent basis.

The Ravens doing STs kickoff strategy is fine. They are are freaking good at STs. Let's not pretend the Packers and Ravens are in the same county here.

[Drj820]

I'm pretty sure, with as bad as we were on STs last year, that any coach would have strategically taken the Touchback every time rather than risk our Teams unit screw the pooch like it did 3 times every week.

Opponent kickers knocked it into the EZ easily against us. I think it was pretty clear Mason had serious issue getting the ball back there on a consistent basis.

The Ravens doing STs kickoff strategy is fine. They are are freaking good at STs. Let's not pretend the Packers and Ravens are in the same county here.

Happy to line up on the same side of the ball with ya GPG!!

If our awful STs coach was commanding Crosby to not kick it in the endzone, and our average opponent starting position was beyond the 25...I would then say this is a major black eye on the HC as CEO to not step in and tell them to cut the cutesy stuff and just boot it through the end zone. Because if you are already giving up field position past the 25, it is certainly not worth it to take on the risk of giving up a score or a big return.

However, I dont think the above scenario was the situation. If it was, then yes...major black eye on Lafleur.
But I dont think it was. I have never heard any Packers coach say it was strategy, if they did say that...i would believe they were saying that to cover for Mason, and no...I wont be emailing Drayton to ask him the inside story from the team about this matter.