Packers Huddle

Yoop wrote: ↑

06 Feb 2023 09:53

only a fool would think the thumb didn't hinder his accuracy,

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

06 Feb 2023 23:40

Yoop wrote: ↑

06 Feb 2023 09:53

only a fool would think the thumb didn't hinder his accuracy,

I agree that Rodgers' thumb was a big part of his poor play this year. The thing I am angriest about is that when your starting QB was playing terribly through a broken throwing hand thumb, costing games, we did not play his backup QB and let his thumb heal. I would feel that way even if his backup was not a 1st round pick we need to evaluate.

I was not for tanking the season before eliminated from the playoffs, but am VERY upset Love didn't get the call for 2-4 weeks after Rodgers proved he can't play well with a broken thumb week after week. He couldn't have done worse than 0-4, which is how we fared in those games with Rodgers.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

06 Feb 2023 23:45

I'm also not into the whole "can they compete in '23 or can't they" debate. To me, it's time to build in a forward-looking manner regardless. I think our notion of what Super Bowl rosters look like is woefully skewed by paying extra close attention to our own team's deficits while only primarily noticing other teams' strengths (just because we don't follow them as closely, day to day). I always felt like 2022 would be somewhat of a transition year on offense, whether it was Rodgers or Adams we moved on from (I still think we made the wrong choice there, but bygones).

Anyway, if you're trying to win a Super Bowl in 2023 or not, this roster needs to clear some big contracts and bring in reinforcements. The best way to do that is a youth movement; no matter your goals. If you look at what our rookie class did this year or what Seattle's did last year; if you look at what budget free agents like Campbell, Douglas, Nixon and Reed have given us the past two seasons... combine that with the areas of the team where we have young talent, there is a core to build around. Let's build it. This is in no way a bereft roster. But it does have clear needs; we just need to go out and fill them, which likely means moving on from some costly veterans

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

06 Feb 2023 23:40

Yoop wrote: ↑

06 Feb 2023 09:53

only a fool would think the thumb didn't hinder his accuracy,

I agree that Rodgers' thumb was a big part of his poor play this year. The thing I am angriest about is that when your starting QB was playing terribly through a broken throwing hand thumb, costing games, we did not play his backup QB and let his thumb heal. I would feel that way even if his backup was not a 1st round pick we need to evaluate.

I was not for tanking the season before eliminated from the playoffs, but am VERY upset Love didn't get the call for 2-4 weeks after Rodgers proved he can't play well with a broken thumb week after week. He couldn't have done worse than 0-4, which is how we fared in those games with Rodgers.

Pugger wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2023 08:34

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

06 Feb 2023 23:40

Yoop wrote: ↑

06 Feb 2023 09:53

only a fool would think the thumb didn't hinder his accuracy,

I agree that Rodgers' thumb was a big part of his poor play this year. The thing I am angriest about is that when your starting QB was playing terribly through a broken throwing hand thumb, costing games, we did not play his backup QB and let his thumb heal. I would feel that way even if his backup was not a 1st round pick we need to evaluate.

I was not for tanking the season before eliminated from the playoffs, but am VERY upset Love didn't get the call for 2-4 weeks after Rodgers proved he can't play well with a broken thumb week after week. He couldn't have done worse than 0-4, which is how we fared in those games with Rodgers.

This is interesting. Why did MLF stick with AR instead of going with Love after Rodgers hurt his thumb. Evidently at the time the coaching staff felt we had a better chance at winning with a limited Rodgers over a healthy Love. In retrospect that might have been a mistake but we aren't there every day at practice so we really can't say for sure.

Pugger wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2023 08:34

This is interesting. Why did MLF stick with AR instead of going with Love after Rodgers hurt his thumb. Evidently at the time the coaching staff felt we had a better chance at winning with a limited Rodgers over a healthy Love. In retrospect that might have been a mistake but we aren't there every day at practice so we really can't say for sure.

Labrev wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2023 09:19

Pugger wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2023 08:34

This is interesting. Why did MLF stick with AR instead of going with Love after Rodgers hurt his thumb. Evidently at the time the coaching staff felt we had a better chance at winning with a limited Rodgers over a healthy Love. In retrospect that might have been a mistake but we aren't there every day at practice so we really can't say for sure.

Normally I defer to the coaches for having more behind-the-scenes information than me and way higher football IQ than I will ever have.

But this coaching staff has a well-documented deficiency in who they choose to play and (by extension) limit/sit:

Lane Taylor over Elgton Jenkins, Billy Turner at LT over Yosh Nijman in the SF playoff game (Nijman having played well against them earlier in the year), Royce Newman and Jake Hanson over Zach Tom, Amari Rodgers over Keisean Nixon, Dean Lowry over TJ Slaton...

I am going to chalk up playing thumbless Rodgers over Love as another error, not them knowing better. In truth I think there is adequate evidence of that from how Love played in relief in Philly.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

06 Feb 2023 23:35

I dunno what all this arguing is accomplishing (had to scroll back 2 pages to figure out why Amos is coming up), but to the point: Amos' play absolutely fell off of a cliff this year. It was one of the most glaring differences on defense I observed this year.

He went from reliably being in the right place at the right time to getting beaten fairly regularly and missing tackles. It was night and day. Just not the same player. I don't know if he had something nagging him or if he had an illness or death in the family that was in his head or what--no clue. So maybe he can play again or maybe he can't. But last year he went from so consistent that he was almost great (even without the splashy plays) to average at best; he was wildly inconsistent last year. The consistency was the cliff.

Amos' contract is up and he should walk, even with the dead money from the void years. You can't give a guy whose play is visibly declining a 3rd/4th NFL contract (depending on how you view the restructure). Let someone else take that risk. So to me the Amos decision is not an interesting one. The obvious choice is to let him walk and if they do anything else, it should be for minimal money (I think Ken Ingalls said they could actually keep him for the same salary cost it would take to let him walk due to void years, but that would still kick the dead money can into a future we should be building for, not borrowing against)

Yoop wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2023 09:43

this had nothing to do personally with Amos, or Harrison Smith of the Vikes, both these safety's are on the down side of great careers, and it shows in there play, I can't speak to Smith, or the schemes he played in, but in ours Amos was late against the run and also in coverage, and for what we paid him last year I just don't see another contract offer from us, not a long term one anyway and absolutely not for 9 mil annual, time to use another high pick on a ready to play safety is my thinking.

AmishMafia wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2023 09:54

Yoop wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2023 09:43

this had nothing to do personally with Amos, or Harrison Smith of the Vikes, both these safety's are on the down side of great careers, and it shows in there play, I can't speak to Smith, or the schemes he played in, but in ours Amos was late against the run and also in coverage, and for what we paid him last year I just don't see another contract offer from us, not a long term one anyway and absolutely not for 9 mil annual, time to use another high pick on a ready to play safety is my thinking.

Amos is coming off of two seasons of excellent play. Therefore it cannot be his fault he is really good. It is the lack of talent with the LBs or the CBs that is too blame or maybe its the coaching. And shoulder was sore. And he should have been given input on who we drafted last year. And we draft Tariq Carpenter to replace him? What a slap in the face - so Gute is also to blame.

AmishMafia wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2023 09:54

Amos is coming off of two seasons of excellent play. Therefore it cannot be his fault he is really good. It is the lack of talent with the LBs or the CBs that is too blame or maybe its the coaching. And shoulder was sore. And he should have been given input on who we drafted last year. And we draft Tariq Carpenter to replace him? What a slap in the face - so Gute is also to blame.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2023 09:39

I think its quite simple...Rodgers insisted he was going to play through it...and so the coaches decided he was going to play through it.

AmishMafia wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2023 09:54

Yoop wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2023 09:43

this had nothing to do personally with Amos, or Harrison Smith of the Vikes, both these safety's are on the down side of great careers, and it shows in there play, I can't speak to Smith, or the schemes he played in, but in ours Amos was late against the run and also in coverage, and for what we paid him last year I just don't see another contract offer from us, not a long term one anyway and absolutely not for 9 mil annual, time to use another high pick on a ready to play safety is my thinking.

Amos is coming off of two seasons of excellent play. Therefore it cannot be his fault he is really good. It is the lack of talent with the LBs or the CBs that is too blame or maybe its the coaching. And shoulder was sore. And he should have been given input on who we drafted last year. And we draft Tariq Carpenter to replace him? What a slap in the face - so Gute is also to blame.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2023 10:06

AmishMafia wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2023 09:54

Amos is coming off of two seasons of excellent play. Therefore it cannot be his fault he is really good. It is the lack of talent with the LBs or the CBs that is too blame or maybe its the coaching. And shoulder was sore. And he should have been given input on who we drafted last year. And we draft Tariq Carpenter to replace him? What a slap in the face - so Gute is also to blame.

This is baffling... I promise you we did not draft a 7th round special teamer to "replace Amos" and if that's a slap in the face, anything can be.

If the issue was Amos' shoulder and he was cognizant of not re-injuring, that could be a thing. But having 2 good years in a row does not mean that when you play poorly, it's everyone else's fault. Also, the talent around him didn't decline from 2021 to 2022, so that explanation makes no sense.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2023 10:06

AmishMafia wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2023 09:54

Amos is coming off of two seasons of excellent play. Therefore it cannot be his fault he is really good. It is the lack of talent with the LBs or the CBs that is too blame or maybe its the coaching. And shoulder was sore. And he should have been given input on who we drafted last year. And we draft Tariq Carpenter to replace him? What a slap in the face - so Gute is also to blame.

This is baffling... I promise you we did not draft a 7th round special teamer to "replace Amos" and if that's a slap in the face, anything can be.

If the issue was Amos' shoulder and he was cognizant of not re-injuring, that could be a thing. But having 2 good years in a row does not mean that when you play poorly, it's everyone else's fault. Also, the talent around him didn't decline from 2021 to 2022, so that explanation makes no sense.