Some physical strengths go back to childhood and the teenage years. Vertical jump is one of those and is the result of playing basketball as a child and in high school. Van Ness was a hockey player and vertical jump is not useful in hockey.
As others have said, long arms and bench reps are not compatible. I will take the long arms any day.
I don't think the comparisons with Gary are valid either. Gary always could rush the passer, even as a rookie. What he could not do is to ace the Wonderlic test or know early in his career whether the play would be a pass or a run. Van Ness has a 20. 19 is average for a NFL safety or linebacker. Gary had a 9 which is pretty bad.
'Just listened to Gute's presser. He was asked if he sees LVN as a similar player to Gary. He said they're similar athletes, both being long and powerful edge guys, but said they are different body types and different players.
you cats were all like, "uhh, hello?!? The *correct* comp for Van Ness is Gary... IDIOTS! Look at muh chart!"
no, I agreed that minus the better speed he is more like Kampman, really comparing players to players isn't something I tend to do other then simply positions there assigned to play, lets put it this way, he aint a OLB.
Re: Round 1 Pick 13 - Lukas Van Ness
Posted: 28 Apr 2023 12:25
by APB
I know their combine numbers aren’t very similar but the player who Van Ness reminds me of with his style of play: Nick Perry.
They both just project a very brutish and powerful game, almost punishing.
Perry, unfortunately, didn’t have the motor to play that way consistently enough. Hopefully Van Ness does.
'Just listened to Gute's presser. He was asked if he sees LVN as a similar player to Gary. He said they're similar athletes, both being long and powerful edge guys, but said they are different body types and different players.
you cats were all like, "uhh, hello?!? The *correct* comp for Van Ness is Gary... IDIOTS! Look at muh chart!"
Who said that? I was arguing there were similarities there, but they were in fact not comparable.
I just thought TJ Watt and Clay Watthews were incredibly smooth brained comparisons.
haha, to me up North is any place north of Chicago city limits My father is Danish/German decent and was born and raised in De Pere Wi. hense my reference, and I'am not to sure about those graphics now, years ago De Pere had a lot of Danish heritage
as your JSonline story says, up north is a wide ranging description, for you and I it seems north of GB apply's more to us.
Re: Round 1 Pick 13 - Lukas Van Ness
Posted: 28 Apr 2023 14:49
by Madcity_matt
LOL, pretty sure "up north" is completely dependent on where you are when you aren't there. I have a place in Rome, which is in Central Wisconsin but north from Madison. Up north I have friends that live there full time, but have places in Minocqua etc, which is there up North, and my "way up north there."
Re: Round 1 Pick 13 - Lukas Van Ness
Posted: 28 Apr 2023 15:30
by TheSkeptic
My definition was north of highway 64. Note that this makes Green Bay in the south. Home was the highway 29 area. Madison was deep south.
But as an adult I lived in Cedar Rapids Iowa so I was a Hawkeye fan for many years. Which is another reason I love the pick of Van Ness. My nephew was briefly on the Iowa football team as a walk on center
Re: Round 1 Pick 13 - Lukas Van Ness
Posted: 28 Apr 2023 15:56
by YoHoChecko
Honestly this pick makes me happy because it feels like a return to normalcy after last year.
What I mean by that is that the Packers tend to prefer young, elite athletes at premium positions (of some need)
And drafting an off ball LB (not premium) and an older player (Wyatt) struck out from those parameters.
But now we’re back to doing something fairly predictable and it just feels like something is back in alignment
and if Ness takes as long to get on the field as Gary did it becomes unconscionable, that would be two very high picks on developmental prospects, no sale for me.
Barring injury or some other developmental setback, LVN will see the field early and often. I doubt Gary is ready to start the season, may need a few weeks, and then will need some time to readjust even when he's back on the field (we saw how Jenkins looked in his first few games off the same injury).
I am pretty sure LVN is a better pass-rusher than Enagbare right now and a better run-defender than Hollins right now. So it's really only Preston Smith who's clearly in front of him this year.
LVN will probably start on opening day. The only reason it took Gary 2 years to become productive is that he is intellectually challenged and LVN has no such issue.
It sorta sounds to me like the team sees him as an immediate interior sub package rusher with developmental versatility and athletic traits to be more of an inside/outside guy
He'll have a role pretty much right away, but he is definitely someone that will take time to reach potential and establish a polished, effective pash rush repertoir
LOL, pretty sure "up north" is completely dependent on where you are when you aren't there. I have a place in Rome, which is in Central Wisconsin but north from Madison. Up north I have friends that live there full time, but have places in Minocqua etc, which is there up North, and my "way up north there."
you have a very nice place up north
I tend to agree, true up north is relative, the other one is Gods Country, I'll tell ya what, I doubt God likes Mosquitoes any more then I do which are hatching up here here as I type this, or about ready to
Barring injury or some other developmental setback, LVN will see the field early and often. I doubt Gary is ready to start the season, may need a few weeks, and then will need some time to readjust even when he's back on the field (we saw how Jenkins looked in his first few games off the same injury).
I am pretty sure LVN is a better pass-rusher than Enagbare right now and a better run-defender than Hollins right now. So it's really only Preston Smith who's clearly in front of him this year.
LVN will probably start on opening day. The only reason it took Gary 2 years to become productive is that he is intellectually challenged and LVN has no such issue.
It sorta sounds to me like the team sees him as an immediate interior sub package rusher with developmental versatility and athletic traits to be more of an inside/outside guy
He'll have a role pretty much right away, but he is definitely someone that will take time to reach potential and establish a polished, effective pash rush repertoir
according to way the draft played out, JVN seems the next best edge prospect, and we need a pass rusher, I think the situation (absent Z, Smith, injury rehab with Gary) will demand game snaps for LVN, so that makes the pick make more sense then when we took Gary for me, I'am excited for that, I expect 13 slot picks to play, instant gratification syndrome kicks in
hoping we get a couple solids tonight, we need more receiver help for our new QB and hopefully OL help to
Watching Bukowski have literally every possible reaction to this on Twitter, from hating the pick, questioning "why tho," complaining about a lack of a pass catcher... all the way through the spectrum, as he actually learned about him, to defending him, hyping him, and trying to push his preferred new nickname... was one of the funniest annoying Twitter things of last night. I mean, there were a lot of tweets. And he had the full spectrum of opinions. And he's the same human being reacting to the same thing.
you cats were all like, "uhh, hello?!? The *correct* comp for Van Ness is Gary... IDIOTS! Look at muh chart!" 
