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Re: Rodgers Watch 2023
Posted: 07 Mar 2023 22:00
by Labrev
lupedafiasco wrote: ↑07 Mar 2023 21:50
Rodgers felt like he was being screwed by the organization because they couldnt make the right decisions which has proven to be true.
No.
Rodgers's beef with the org is not whatever personal grievances people have with the team that they want to project onto him.
He came out and said in no uncertain terms what his issue was. It was not them not drafting enough WRs. It was not them failing to sign more FAs or make more trades. It's not that he believes they cost him SuperBowls.
He did not hold back when he voiced his dissatisfaction with the team in 2021, and he didn't say anything to the effect of these.
It was them not asking his opinion on things, and 'disrespecting' vets like Jordy by not giving him more heads up when they cut him.
Re: Rodgers Watch 2023
Posted: 07 Mar 2023 22:33
by Yoop
lupedafiasco wrote: ↑07 Mar 2023 21:50
The Rodgers dilemma is truly unfortunate because I believe with semi competent front office personnel we dont end up down this path.
Rodgers felt like he was being screwed by the organization because they couldnt make the right decisions which has proven to be true. He felt he needed to take matters into his own hands and force the organization to get guys he wanted which also happened to be terrible decisions. I mean if you just go back and not make that stupid pick for Love and just get Rodgers some help we aren’t trading for Cobb. We don’t have Lazard on the field for the 2020 NFC championship game making every mistake possible. We save ourselves a ton of cap space and we aren’t left with poop all over our hands when Adams wants to leave.
If ya have a once in a generation talent like Rodgers why wouldn't you want to max out that ability with a quality stable of receivers, for some reason that ended with the pick of Adams in 2014, and that short sightedness prevailed up till last season, bringing in Cobb was a result of Gute draft miss the year prior with Amari.
that Rodgers won MVP honors with Adams and a bunch of average at best receiver group, speaks volumes for Rodgers, and last year showed how pathetic that situation actually was without Adams, sure we can lay some blame with Rodgers, but the team went from bad to worse from the first game on.
Guty's motto of it all starts in the trenches shouldn't mean at the cost of a potent passing attack.
Re: Rodgers Watch 2023
Posted: 07 Mar 2023 23:40
by Pckfn23
Labrev wrote: ↑07 Mar 2023 22:00
lupedafiasco wrote: ↑07 Mar 2023 21:50
Rodgers felt like he was being screwed by the organization because they couldnt make the right decisions which has proven to be true.
No.
Rodgers's beef with the org is not whatever personal grievances people have with the team that they want to project onto him.
He came out and said in no uncertain terms what his issue was. It was not them not drafting enough WRs. It was not them failing to sign more FAs or make more trades. It's not that he believes they cost him SuperBowls.
He did not hold back when he voiced his dissatisfaction with the team in 2021, and he didn't say anything to the effect of these.
It was them not asking his opinion on things, and 'disrespecting' vets like Jordy by not giving him more heads up when they cut him.
It was cutting Whitewater Jesus!
Re: Rodgers Watch 2023
Posted: 08 Mar 2023 02:45
by TheSkeptic
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑07 Mar 2023 23:40
Labrev wrote: ↑07 Mar 2023 22:00
lupedafiasco wrote: ↑07 Mar 2023 21:50
Rodgers felt like he was being screwed by the organization because they couldnt make the right decisions which has proven to be true.
No.
Rodgers's beef with the org is not whatever personal grievances people have with the team that they want to project onto him.
He came out and said in no uncertain terms what his issue was. It was not them not drafting enough WRs. It was not them failing to sign more FAs or make more trades. It's not that he believes they cost him SuperBowls.
He did not hold back when he voiced his dissatisfaction with the team in 2021, and he didn't say anything to the effect of these.
It was them not asking his opinion on things, and 'disrespecting' vets like Jordy by not giving him more heads up when they cut him.
It was cutting Whitewater Jesus!
Actually it was. Not that they cut WJ but that Rodgers had already said that WJ had made the team.
Re: Rodgers Watch 2023
Posted: 08 Mar 2023 07:12
by Yoop
TheSkeptic wrote: ↑08 Mar 2023 02:45
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑07 Mar 2023 23:40
Labrev wrote: ↑07 Mar 2023 22:00
No.
Rodgers's beef with the org is not whatever personal grievances people have with the team that they want to project onto him.
He came out and said in no uncertain terms what his issue was. It was not them not drafting enough WRs. It was not them failing to sign more FAs or make more trades. It's not that he believes they cost him SuperBowls.
He did not hold back when he voiced his dissatisfaction with the team in 2021, and he didn't say anything to the effect of these.
It was them not asking his opinion on things, and 'disrespecting' vets like Jordy by not giving him more heads up when they cut him.
It was cutting Whitewater Jesus!
Actually it was. Not that they cut WJ but that Rodgers had already said that WJ had made the team.
It had nothing to do with any of that, you people are acting purposely clueless and ya know it, and you saw it as soon as Guty decided against using a first on a WR and instead drafted Rodgers replacement, the whole freaking football world saw it and commented on it. but you goons think you know better, your insane
show me where Rodgers said WJ made the team? complete horse manure
Re: Rodgers Watch 2023
Posted: 08 Mar 2023 07:16
by BF004
Re: Rodgers Watch 2023
Posted: 08 Mar 2023 07:24
by BF004
Yoop wrote: ↑08 Mar 2023 07:12
TheSkeptic wrote: ↑08 Mar 2023 02:45
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑07 Mar 2023 23:40
It was cutting Whitewater Jesus!
Actually it was. Not that they cut WJ but that Rodgers had already said that WJ had made the team.
It had nothing to do with any of that, you people are acting purposely clueless and ya know it, and you saw it as soon as Guty decided against using a first on a WR and instead drafted Rodgers replacement, the whole freaking football world saw it and commented on it. but you goons think you know better, your insane
show me where Rodgers said WJ made the team? complete horse manure
Not sure we needed to step into name calling right away.
I would say this is pretty close to assuming Kumerow was going to make the roster.
Re: Rodgers Watch 2023
Posted: 08 Mar 2023 07:43
by dsr
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑07 Mar 2023 10:18
And by the same source, that's how much technical space they have--so they can make a deal--but not how much functional space they have in terms of signing players because of the rookie contracts that will take effect and the amount of space you need to go into a season.
If Rodgers is traded as it currently stands, we'd be down to $7 million to sign the rookies and get through the season without other moves. That's basically full. The only big move left to make is an extension for Gary that reduces his cap number. Everything else we could do, save actually cutting guys, are pocket change. If we want to add ANY free agents this offseason, even the Reeds and Nixons of the world, we're going to be tight.
Yes, the contract given to Rodgers last year was awful.
As for the $60 million next year, I could care less. I know teams might push us for money, but Rodgers has been clear that he will re-do a deal to make things work.
The unfortunate part is that he can't save us from dead cap (unless there's some weird rule that lets him pay money back to us from the bonus, which the Packers could then trade, in cash, to the Jets, and the Jets could then use to pay Rodgers, but that's cap assistance to us and cash assistance to the Jets without cap assistance to them.
And I highly doubt a) that's legal or b) Rodgers would want to do that.
Slightly devil's advocate, perhaps, but to find a bright side - if we can cut Rodgers now we get draft picks in exchange but can't afford free agents. This gives the young guys (including Love) a year to play with low expectations and gain experience.
Then the following year, we get the benefit of £60m or so increased cap and we can sign free agents - having had a year to establish exactly what sort of free agents we need, and also to learn financial discipline. Superbowl, February 2025!
(Optimism is my way of life!)
Re: Rodgers Watch 2023
Posted: 08 Mar 2023 07:44
by go pak go
^^^^^^^^^
*insert yoop's response of Rodgers's real ulterior motive behind those comments and making fun of everyone else for not knowing what Rodgers actually meant when he said those words while at the same seeing two posts later yoop blasting everyone for making their own narrative and a "show me where he said that" post*
Re: Rodgers Watch 2023
Posted: 08 Mar 2023 07:49
by Yoop
BF004 wrote: ↑08 Mar 2023 07:24
Yoop wrote: ↑08 Mar 2023 07:12
TheSkeptic wrote: ↑08 Mar 2023 02:45
Actually it was. Not that they cut WJ but that Rodgers had already said that WJ had made the team.
It had nothing to do with any of that, you people are acting purposely clueless and ya know it, and you saw it as soon as Guty decided against using a first on a WR and instead drafted Rodgers replacement, the whole freaking football world saw it and commented on it. but you goons think you know better, your insane
show me where Rodgers said WJ made the team? complete horse manure
Not sure we needed to step into name calling right away.
I would say this is pretty close to assuming Kumerow was going to make the roster.
It still isn't saying that Rodgers actually said he made the team, Funny how some will attempt anything to cover up that Rodgers didn't get upset when Gute drafted Love instead of drafting a receiver.
why some feel the need to cheap shot Rodgers boggles the mind.
Re: Rodgers Watch 2023
Posted: 08 Mar 2023 08:04
by Acrobat
go pak go wrote: ↑08 Mar 2023 07:44
^^^^^^^^^
*insert yoop's response of Rodgers's
real ulterior motive behind those comments and making fun of everyone else for not knowing what Rodgers actually meant when he said those words while at the same seeing two posts later yoop blasting everyone for making their own narrative and a "show me where he said that" post*
Boom right on que!
Re: Rodgers Watch 2023
Posted: 08 Mar 2023 08:20
by Yoop
go pak go wrote: ↑08 Mar 2023 07:44
^^^^^^^^^
*insert yoop's response of Rodgers's
real ulterior motive behind those comments and making fun of everyone else for not knowing what Rodgers actually meant when he said those words while at the same seeing two posts later yoop blasting everyone for making their own narrative and a "show me where he said that" post*
I made fun of you and others for acting delusional, you know why Rodgers was upset, it was obvious to everyone, yet here we see you and others use any little incident and comment from Rodgers to create a different scenario.
you twist up what others say, you should have been a lawyer.
Re: Rodgers Watch 2023
Posted: 08 Mar 2023 08:25
by Labrev
Yoop wrote: ↑08 Mar 2023 07:12
TheSkeptic wrote: ↑08 Mar 2023 02:45
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑07 Mar 2023 23:40
It was cutting Whitewater Jesus!
Actually it was. Not that they cut WJ but that Rodgers had already said that WJ had made the team.
It had nothing to do with any of that, you people are acting purposely clueless and ya know it,
He explicitly said what we are claiming in that no-holds-barred press conference he did when he came back in 2021.
And yes, it was not cutting Kumerow per-se but the fact that they made this move without asking what he wanted.
and you saw it as soon as Guty decided against using a first on a WR and instead drafted Rodgers replacement, the whole freaking football world saw it and commented on it. but you goons think you know better, your insane
Well, there's something more important than what "the whole freaking football world" (read: fans and talking-heads that agree with yoop) "saw" (read: opined).
That thing is, Rodgers's own damn words (and since those words were spoken more than 20 minutes ago, you of course have no memory of it).
He said absolutely nothing about receiver quality as you allege, or management incompetence as lupe alleges (this is closer to the truth, but not quite; he objected to the moves being made in ways that were disrespectful to the players, e.g. not telling him the plan with Love, not telling Nelson he was getting cut... yet he did not question their judgment in making these moves).
This is honestly one of the funniest things about the Rodgers Taliban. At the end of the day, they don't really care what Rodgers actually does or says (in the same vein that the actual Taliban does not actually care about upholding their religion's doctrine accurately lol). He is just a horoscope that allows them to see whatever they want to project onto him. He is basically just an extension of their own egos.
Re: Rodgers Watch 2023
Posted: 08 Mar 2023 08:27
by packman114
If Rodgers does go to Jets, I would think he has to show up for OTAs and maybe even some side practices with their receivers if he wants to win next year. Or do Lazard and Cobb end up there with Wilson and Davis? I would expect Moore to be part of the trade if that happens.
Interesting to see if he will commit the time to do that. Maybe that's what the discussions yesterday were about.
Re: Rodgers Watch 2023
Posted: 08 Mar 2023 08:31
by Labrev
Yoop wrote: ↑07 Mar 2023 22:33
bringing in Cobb was a result of Gute draft miss the year prior with Amari.
Amari had not played a single NFL snap when Rodgers made us bring back Cobb (for him to basically not use him as he continued to spam the ball to Adams). Cobb came back a few months after we drafted Amari.
How many times do we need to show you how unreliable your memory is before you stop lashing out at everyone for remembering things differently, i.e.
correctly, than you did, i.e. almost always inaccurately?
Re: Rodgers Watch 2023
Posted: 08 Mar 2023 08:33
by Scott4Pack
Well, there goes another perfectly nice thread getting side-tracked…
:-(
Re: Rodgers Watch 2023
Posted: 08 Mar 2023 08:44
by Yoop
Labrev wrote: ↑08 Mar 2023 08:25
Yoop wrote: ↑08 Mar 2023 07:12
TheSkeptic wrote: ↑08 Mar 2023 02:45
Actually it was. Not that they cut WJ but that Rodgers had already said that WJ had made the team.
It had nothing to do with any of that, you people are acting purposely clueless and ya know it,
He explicitly said what we are claiming in that no-holds-barred press conference he did when he came back in 2021.
And yes, it was not cutting Kumerow per-se but the fact that they made this move without asking what he wanted.
and you saw it as soon as Guty decided against using a first on a WR and instead drafted Rodgers replacement, the whole freaking football world saw it and commented on it. but you goons think you know better, your insane
Well, there's something more important than what "the whole freaking football world" (read: fans and talking-heads that agree with yoop) "saw" (read: opined).
That thing is, Rodgers's own damn words (and since those words were spoken more than 20 minutes ago, you of course have no memory of it).
He said absolutely nothing about receiver quality as you allege, or management incompetence as lupe alleges (this is closer to the truth, but not quite; he objected to the moves being made in ways that were disrespectful to the players, e.g. not telling him the plan with Love, not telling Nelson he was getting cut... yet he did not question their judgment in making these moves).
This is honestly one of the funniest things about the Rodgers Taliban. At the end of the day, they don't really care what Rodgers actually does or says (in the same vein that the actual Taliban does not actually care about upholding their religion's doctrine accurately lol). He is just a horoscope that allows them to see whatever they want to project onto him. He is basically just an extension of their own egos.
like the Taliban there words don't align with there actions, Rodgers was and has been upset with the receiver situation since 2017, maybe sooner, and you need to learn to read people rather then to depend on just what they say, Rodgers isn't about to diss his receivers, but that hardly means he didn't want better talent, the simple fact of him throwing 50% of his passes to Adams should enlighten you to that.
I was asked not to name call, you should also heed that advice
Re: Rodgers Watch 2023
Posted: 08 Mar 2023 08:48
by Yoop
Labrev wrote: ↑08 Mar 2023 08:31
Yoop wrote: ↑07 Mar 2023 22:33
bringing in Cobb was a result of Gute draft miss the year prior with Amari.
Amari had not played a single NFL snap when Rodgers made us bring back Cobb (for him to basically not use him as he continued to spam the ball to Adams). Cobb came back a few months after we drafted Amari.
How many times do we need to show you how unreliable your memory is before you stop lashing out at everyone for remembering things differently, i.e.
correctly, than you did, i.e. almost always inaccurately?
Actually Rodgers asked for Cobb I think to tutor Amari, Cobb said a lot of good things about him, to bad none of it made a difference.
Re: Rodgers Watch 2023
Posted: 08 Mar 2023 09:16
by Pckfn23
Yoop wrote: ↑08 Mar 2023 08:44
the simple fact of him throwing 50% of his passes to Adams should enlighten you to that.
But that isn't a simple fact... That isn't even remotely a fact.
2021 - Adams 169 targets w/ Rodgers 531 attempts - 31.8%
2020 - Adams 149 targets w/ Rodgers 526 attempts - 28.3%
2019 - Adams 127 targets w/ Rodgers 569 attempts - 22.3%
Re: Rodgers Watch 2023
Posted: 08 Mar 2023 09:28
by Drj820
Not sure what thread this is best for but I want to discuss it:
Saw several reports that Rodgers "checked out" after signing his big money deal.
After that deal, he did alot of foolishness like not show up for spring, or OTAs or spend any time with the rookies whatsoever etc etc
And "allegedly" this whole time Love was making great strides and improving day by day.
I think a report said the Packers were even "done" with Rodgers basically as soon as he "checked out" going back into the early parts of the season.
That said, if they knew they wanted to move on. And they knew they were "done", why didnt Love play when the thumb broke? Would have been a perfect excuse to actually see what he can do. It would have given us clarity for how the QB would perform without Rodgers in 2023, would have given clarity on the 5th year option, and we could see how much we really need Rodgers, Love, or someone else.
Point being, if true they knew they were moving on...they had the perfect opportunity to play Love and they should have.
Not playing Love makes me think they still wanted to hide him and the reports of how great he is now could be propaganda.