Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 08 Dec 2023 08:42
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Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 08 Dec 2023 08:43
I just know that I’ve been on the right side of every issue.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 08 Dec 2023 08:47
I'm pretty sure in my August Prediction Thread I posted the following about our 2023 season.
I can't find the rest of the post though. I will keep searching and hopefully find what I said in about a month or so for the rest of the reglar season.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 08 Dec 2023 10:00
Long time ago. Over at footballs future, maybe like 2010 or 2011, I said I wouldn’t trade Jordy Nelson for the #1 pick. Boy did I get hammered on that one, lol. Jordy had an amazing career after, still not sure if that would have been right or not, lol.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 08 Dec 2023 10:06
I asked my bears fan buddy the question and he said "no"
i then roasted him about how lafleur has done all the hard work for him. They cant develop a young QB at all, so maybe trade for a young one thats already developed and set for super stardom. I took the opportunity to abuse him and remind him the bears suck
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 08 Dec 2023 10:48
No, Yoop, this has been my stance pretty much all along.Yoop wrote: ↑08 Dec 2023 08:18you and half this forum did the same thing, hell most of you still fence sit and wont commit to saying Love is our next franchise QB, gotta wait to see him go HOF caliber longer, if that aint luke warm what is.APB wrote: ↑08 Dec 2023 07:17Weren't you a founding member of the "we were right" club? Remember that from a few weeks back? I do.Drj820 wrote: ↑08 Dec 2023 06:50Not only have I not negatively judged Love, I generally defended him and said it’s hard to evaluate him when everything around him is such a mess. His accuracy was an issue for sure, I expect it to be an issue in the future too. But he just has a smoothness about him that indicated to me he could make the plays a starting QB needs to make.
The one boasting about how the team shouldn't have moved on from Rodgers? How Love wasn't cutting it? The one rubbing other's noses in while welcoming members to the "we were right" team when they acknowledged Love was lacking? You and "it was fun standing in the trenches with you and taking bullets from the haters. we were right!" buddy @bud fox...?
Wasn't that you? Pretty sure it was...
taking a passive stance means your never wrong, if Love fails it's "I figured this might happen" same if he succeeds, it's so PC
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 08 Dec 2023 10:50
Sure but you should be reminded of your mediocrity. You are on a Packers board. You expect not to get your cheeks clapped?
But when questioning the ability of QBs, this is brought up. Why? Because as a Vikings fan, I can't possibly know what I'm talking about.
Correct. Youve never tasted the sweet spoils of victory. You dont know what it takes to win or what it feels like to do so.
Correct.Because only Packer fans or fans of teams who have won the Super Bowl know anything.
You hate us because you aint us. And your team smells like anus.And it's one of the reasons why many fans of other teams hate Packer fans in general.
Correct.You think your &%$@ doesn't stink.
You sound salty. I feel like if you didnt give acrap you would move on.Me, I don't give a crap.
Why would you swap? You certainly have to see the grass isnt greener.I grew up with Packer fans. Half my family is Packer fans.
Look the Vikings are basically the Packers younger brother. You get all our hand me downs trying to emulate our success. Every player we let go you are first in line. Its sad to watch. And whenever we accomplish anything you try so hard to step up to the plate and do the same but just like the younger brother we stomp you back into place where you belong.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 08 Dec 2023 11:06
I wouldn't trade Jordy for just any 1st round pick because he produced like you would want from a 1st round WR. Again, no point creating draft needs to get draft picks.
But for #1 overall, I think you have to make the trade. Top 1-3 you are talking about HOF-caliber guys, or if it's a weak draft, you flip it for more picks to a QB-needy team. In 2011 you have Von Miller or a "reach" (at the time, not in retrospect) for JJ Watt, two guys who single-handedly give you at least a good defense, but often a great/elite one.
Obviously, picking 32 is the best because it means you won the SuperBowl, but 2011 may have been the worst to pick 32, just a laundry list of HOF talents and perennial Pro-Bowlers. And we get last dibs on them every round... talk about being victim to your own success.
But for #1 overall, I think you have to make the trade. Top 1-3 you are talking about HOF-caliber guys, or if it's a weak draft, you flip it for more picks to a QB-needy team. In 2011 you have Von Miller or a "reach" (at the time, not in retrospect) for JJ Watt, two guys who single-handedly give you at least a good defense, but often a great/elite one.
Obviously, picking 32 is the best because it means you won the SuperBowl, but 2011 may have been the worst to pick 32, just a laundry list of HOF talents and perennial Pro-Bowlers. And we get last dibs on them every round... talk about being victim to your own success.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 08 Dec 2023 11:13
APB wrote: ↑08 Dec 2023 10:48No, Yoop, this has been my stance pretty much all along.Yoop wrote: ↑08 Dec 2023 08:18you and half this forum did the same thing, hell most of you still fence sit and wont commit to saying Love is our next franchise QB, gotta wait to see him go HOF caliber longer, if that aint luke warm what is.APB wrote: ↑08 Dec 2023 07:17
Weren't you a founding member of the "we were right" club? Remember that from a few weeks back? I do.
The one boasting about how the team shouldn't have moved on from Rodgers? How Love wasn't cutting it? The one rubbing other's noses in while welcoming members to the "we were right" team when they acknowledged Love was lacking? You and "it was fun standing in the trenches with you and taking bullets from the haters. we were right!" buddy @bud fox...?
Wasn't that you? Pretty sure it was...
taking a passive stance means your never wrong, if Love fails it's "I figured this might happen" same if he succeeds, it's so PC
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 08 Dec 2023 11:23
can anyone imagine investing 3 years grooming Love, and then trading him for a first round pick? even the top pick, based on what we saw 6 or 7 weeks back, people said he was inaccurate, was making poor decisions, and all the other stuff, over looking the free rushers, as well as the receivers imitating the Chinese fire drill, lack of run production, with Barry doing his classic dare you beat these super soft zones routine defenses garbage? me neither, neither of these top two QB's are sure things, and Love right now looks like a number one draft QB in any draft class 
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 08 Dec 2023 11:28
But he was too inaccurate and making too many poor decisions 5 weeks back, independent of anything else around him... Like the rest of the team he has improved.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 08 Dec 2023 11:52
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 08 Dec 2023 11:53
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 08 Dec 2023 12:28
Well lookie here, we got ourselves a couple of politicians. Get the tar and feathers!
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 08 Dec 2023 13:09
and you don't know why? here's a clue, Pass rush interrupts the mental processing, as does not knowing where the receiver is going, lack of chemistry with receivers, if ya don't have consistency with any of this stuff how is a QB to be accurate, or make quick and accurate decisions, you over look the issues to arrive at the opinion you have, clean pocket against Chicago showed Love was ready for this stage
It was the same stuff early last season with Rodgers.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 08 Dec 2023 13:20
Even with a clean pocket Love was not hitting like he should 5 weeks ago. Independent of everything else Love wasn't playing like he should have been. That has changed and he has improved immensely.Yoop wrote: ↑08 Dec 2023 13:09and you don't know why? here's a clue, Pass rush interrupts the mental processing, as does not knowing where the receiver is going, lack of chemistry with receivers, if ya don't have consistency with any of this stuff how is a QB to be accurate, or make quick and accurate decisions, you over look the issues to arrive at the opinion you have, clean pocket against Chicago showed Love was ready for this stage
It was the same stuff early last season with Rodgers.
Jordan Love himself has made himself better over the last 5 weeks. Not all his struggles the first 2 months can be placed on outside factors.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 08 Dec 2023 13:23
he would have been fine 5 weeks ago to, of course he's improved, he has 5 more starts with everything from the team improving.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑08 Dec 2023 13:20Even with a clean pocket Love was not hitting like he should 5 weeks ago. Independent of everything else Love wasn't playing like he should have been. That has changed and he has improved immensely.Yoop wrote: ↑08 Dec 2023 13:09and you don't know why? here's a clue, Pass rush interrupts the mental processing, as does not knowing where the receiver is going, lack of chemistry with receivers, if ya don't have consistency with any of this stuff how is a QB to be accurate, or make quick and accurate decisions, you over look the issues to arrive at the opinion you have, clean pocket against Chicago showed Love was ready for this stage
It was the same stuff early last season with Rodgers.
Jordan Love himself has made himself better over the last 5 weeks.
we'll have to agree to disagree.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 08 Dec 2023 13:33
He always playing "fine" considering he was a first year starter. He was not playing "fine" if judged without that understandable caveat.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 08 Dec 2023 13:55
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/1 ... s-offense/
50 percent of his dropbacks against Detroit and on over one-third of them against Las Vegas. After facing little pressure the first three games, his internal clock, in terms of how much time he has in the pocket, has had to adjust on the fly. Love has gone from often having all the time he needs to sometimes not even being able to make it to his second progression, impacting his decision-making, which can lead to more forced throws. When pressure gets home quickly, it doesn’t really matter what the play call is at that point.
add the receivers dropping passes, Watson hurt to start the season, just made it a tough start for Love, imho your seeing 08 Rodgers, minus, the receivers and better OL play.
50 percent of his dropbacks against Detroit and on over one-third of them against Las Vegas. After facing little pressure the first three games, his internal clock, in terms of how much time he has in the pocket, has had to adjust on the fly. Love has gone from often having all the time he needs to sometimes not even being able to make it to his second progression, impacting his decision-making, which can lead to more forced throws. When pressure gets home quickly, it doesn’t really matter what the play call is at that point.
add the receivers dropping passes, Watson hurt to start the season, just made it a tough start for Love, imho your seeing 08 Rodgers, minus, the receivers and better OL play.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 08 Dec 2023 14:05
[mention]Yoop[/mention] are you saying that Jordan Love was perfect and holds no amount of "blame" (for lack of a better word) for how the offense functioned in first 7 weeks of the season?