The Way a Packers Forum Should Be
https://packers-huddle.com/phpBB/
Given the starting pitching talent it's hard to imagine the current streak. The Yelich free fall is the most concerning. 3 yr sample size.RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑12 Jun 2022 11:27Going 1 and 9 the last 10 games and losing 2 in a row to the Nats has been rough to watch. But then again the Crew is only 1.5 games behind the Cardinals. Hader giving up 2 HRs to the Phillies was ugly too.
Bonus points if you know what show that Badfinger performance appeared on.
Yes, I remember. This isn't a bad song.RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑09 Jun 2022 20:12Alright LaBrev.........if its official then you heard it here first.
Turn up the volume and let 'er rip ...........
Gotta believe Yooper and Pugger remember this one.
Apparently he is also a punter and he has the build of a punter. Plus a big leg on kickoffs. It might be interesting if they picked him up as a potential punter and kickoff specialist. I don't see anyone taking Mason's job this year in spite of Mason's inability to get touchbacks or hit beyond 50 yards any more. Last year's punting sucked.
We need another Chris Jacke Craig Hentrich Desmond Howard quality trio combined with a competent long snapper and holder.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022 10:50Apparently he is also a punter and he has the build of a punter. Plus a big leg on kickoffs. It might be interesting if they picked him up as a potential punter and kickoff specialist. I don't see anyone taking Mason's job this year in spite of Mason's inability to get touchbacks or hit beyond 50 yards any more. Last year's punting sucked.
Incorrect.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022 10:50I don't see anyone taking Mason's job this year in spite of Mason's inability to get touchbacks or hit beyond 50 yards any more.
did the last awful STs coach say that he was telling Mason not to kick it in the end zone? Because it sure looked like Mason was trying to kick it as hard as he could.BSA wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022 11:19Incorrect.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022 10:50I don't see anyone taking Mason's job this year in spite of Mason's inability to get touchbacks or hit beyond 50 yards any more.
Crosby can hit from 50 and was 3 out of 4 from that distance in 2021. He also has more than enough length to kick touchbacks if that's what's needed. If he couldn't - he'd be gone. But his coach asked him to drop the ball short of the EZ so the coverage team could try and pin them deeper than the 25. We'll see how Bisaccia approaches it - but kicks landing in the field of play are by design, not from a lack of power.
So yer 0-2 on your erroneous comments about Mason Crosby.
BF004 wrote: ↑13 Apr 2022 13:37I built up a metric here that will kind of combine Packer traits.
Kind of built off 40 threshold, height/weight, agility, jumping, age, and arm/hand size. Weighted as I saw fit.
I would say the score is most relevant at the top of the draft, it is very highly age weighted, but we have taken a fair amount of older players later in the draft.
But now you don't have to go check 3 cone and RAS and age every time you look at a WR prospect.
Code: Select all
PLAYER COLLEGE SUPER BF AWESOME SCORE Kevin Austin Notre Dame 2.47 Tyquan Thornton Baylor 1.69 Alec Pierce Cincinnati 1.62 George Pickens Georgia 1.24 Drake London Southern California 1.22 Christian Watson North Dakota State 1.17 Romeo Doubs Nevada 1.01 Jameson Williams Alabama 0.99 Makai Polk Mississippi State 0.9 Erik Ezukanma Texas Tech 0.66 Garrett Wilson Ohio State 0.65 Mike Woods Oklahoma 0.64 Dontay Demus Maryland 0.59 Chris Olave Ohio State 0.57 Bo Melton Rutgers 0.5 Devon Williams Oregon 0.46 Skyy Moore Western Michigan 0.44 Khalil Shakir Boise State 0.38 Jayden Reed Michigan State 0.36 Calvin Austin III Memphis 0.31 Jalen Tolbert South Alabama 0.26 Tyler Snead East Carolina 0.25 Treylon Burks Arkansas 0.18 John Metchie Alabama 0.15 Kearis Jackson Georgia 0.13 Danny Gray Southern Methodist 0.1 Ty Fryfogle Indiana 0.04 David Bell Purdue 0.01 Jalen Nailor Michigan State -0.08 Calvin Turner Hawaii -0.09 Jerreth Sterns Western Kentucky -0.09 Braylon Sanders Mississippi -0.15 Emeka Emezie North Carolina State -0.15 K.D. Nixon Southern California -0.32 Jahan Dotson Penn State -0.39 Justyn Ross Clemson -0.46 Charleston Rambo Miami (FL) -0.54 Jaquarii Roberson Wake Forest -0.61 Josh Johnson Tulsa -0.64 Wan'Dale Robinson Kentucky -0.67 Changa Hodge Virginia Tech -0.72 Stanley Berryhill III Arizona -0.72 Tarique Milton Iowa State -0.83 Samori Toure Nebraska -0.83 Kyle Philips UCLA -0.85 Johnny Johnson III Oregon -0.91 Jaivon Heiligh Coastal Carolina -0.97 Velus Jones Jr. Tennessee -0.98 Tay Martin Oklahoma State -1 Tre Turner Virginia Tech -1.13 Reggie Roberson Jr. Southern Methodist -1.36 Britain Covey Utah -1.4 Slade Bolden Alabama -1.53 Dontario Drummond Mississippi -1.57
I told you and others this same thing two years ago, now BSA is saying the same thing, and if you'd actually email a coach or even Mason himself they'd confirm it.Drj820 wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022 11:24did the last awful STs coach say that he was telling Mason not to kick it in the end zone? Because it sure looked like Mason was trying to kick it as hard as he could.BSA wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022 11:19Incorrect.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022 10:50I don't see anyone taking Mason's job this year in spite of Mason's inability to get touchbacks or hit beyond 50 yards any more.
Crosby can hit from 50 and was 3 out of 4 from that distance in 2021. He also has more than enough length to kick touchbacks if that's what's needed. If he couldn't - he'd be gone. But his coach asked him to drop the ball short of the EZ so the coverage team could try and pin them deeper than the 25. We'll see how Bisaccia approaches it - but kicks landing in the field of play are by design, not from a lack of power.
So yer 0-2 on your erroneous comments about Mason Crosby.
Do you have their e-mail? I'll gladly send them the question.Yoop wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022 11:42I told you and others this same thing two years ago, now BSA is saying the same thing, and if you'd actually email a coach or even Mason himself they'd confirm it.Drj820 wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022 11:24did the last awful STs coach say that he was telling Mason not to kick it in the end zone? Because it sure looked like Mason was trying to kick it as hard as he could.BSA wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022 11:19
Incorrect.
Crosby can hit from 50 and was 3 out of 4 from that distance in 2021. He also has more than enough length to kick touchbacks if that's what's needed. If he couldn't - he'd be gone. But his coach asked him to drop the ball short of the EZ so the coverage team could try and pin them deeper than the 25. We'll see how Bisaccia approaches it - but kicks landing in the field of play are by design, not from a lack of power.
So yer 0-2 on your erroneous comments about Mason Crosby.
there is no advantage other then the simple security that the return wont get passed the 25 to kick it into the end zone, zippo, the advantages of pinning a offense at the 15 far out weighs that security, why this common knowledge stuff baffles you makes no sense, Mason attempts to kick high giving coverage time to get a stop prior to the 25, blame the poor coverage, not the kicker.
)If I had my way we'd do away with kickoffs, but that wont happen, I think your probably right about Mason not getting the hang time any more, and hardly any kickers can get it into the EZ against the wind, specially at Lambeau, I still think our coverage is a big problem, most of the big returns against us have to do with wide open run lanes and poor tackling, and that stuff has little to do with the kicker.BF004 wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022 11:55Do you have their e-mail? I'll gladly send them the question.Yoop wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022 11:42I told you and others this same thing two years ago, now BSA is saying the same thing, and if you'd actually email a coach or even Mason himself they'd confirm it.
there is no advantage other then the simple security that the return wont get passed the 25 to kick it into the end zone, zippo, the advantages of pinning a offense at the 15 far out weighs that security, why this common knowledge stuff baffles you makes no sense, Mason attempts to kick high giving coverage time to get a stop prior to the 25, blame the poor coverage, not the kicker.
I agree at times it was likely strategic, I do also think there are times he couldn't get it there, especially in the colder/windier weather, and then also likely couldn't kick it maybe as high as we'd hope. Not through any fault of Mason, just reality for an older kicker.
But including penalties, excluding touchbacks, our average opponent starting field was the 26.1 yardline. So we on average lost 1.1 yards every time we didn't kick a touchback. (To the contrary, we average the 20.9 yardline as our average starting field positions, including penalties excluding touchbacks
So not only was it bad strategy (in hindsight), the other disadvantage is for injury opportunities. Sure the other team could get hurt too, be we are done playing those guys in a few quarters and we are stuck with our injuries. The league average is about 23.8, so it should theoretically be a good strategy. But at some point, you need to play to the strengths and weaknesses of your team.
So I don't think Mason's leg is gunna get any stronger, further or higher, so I do hope we rely more on the touchback game next year.
https://bf004.shinyapps.io/Kickoff2/?_g ... 1655225292
image.png
Of course it is.
go pak go wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022 13:40I'm pretty sure, with as bad as we were on STs last year, that any coach would have strategically taken the Touchback every time rather than risk our Teams unit screw the pooch like it did 3 times every week.
Opponent kickers knocked it into the EZ easily against us. I think it was pretty clear Mason had serious issue getting the ball back there on a consistent basis.
The Ravens doing STs kickoff strategy is fine. They are are freaking good at STs. Let's not pretend the Packers and Ravens are in the same county here.
