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The DC is less experienced. How’s that?LombardiTime wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023 11:44I keep hearing that the Packers are young and thus "growing pains" are to be expected. I think that is true for the offense, but how about the defense?
P. Smith,30 years old/9th year in the NFL.
Gary, 25 (turns 26 this season)/5th year.
Clark, 27 (turns 28 in a couple of weeks)/8th year.
Campbell, 30/8th year.
Alexander, 26/6th year.
Douglas, 28/7th year.
Ford, 28 (turns 29 in early November)/7th year.
Savage 26/5th year.
This does not look like a YOUNG or INEXPERIENCED defense to me.
Yes, I honestly have not seen or heard anyone making excuses for Joe Barry. That's why I asked.
seriously Scott, this defense is loaded with seasoned talent, and DC's either got it or they don't, this isn't Barry's first merry go round and he's sucked every where he's been.Scott4Pack wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023 12:04The DC is less experienced. How’s that?LombardiTime wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023 11:44I keep hearing that the Packers are young and thus "growing pains" are to be expected. I think that is true for the offense, but how about the defense?
P. Smith,30 years old/9th year in the NFL.
Gary, 25 (turns 26 this season)/5th year.
Clark, 27 (turns 28 in a couple of weeks)/8th year.
Campbell, 30/8th year.
Alexander, 26/6th year.
Douglas, 28/7th year.
Ford, 28 (turns 29 in early November)/7th year.
Savage 26/5th year.
This does not look like a YOUNG or INEXPERIENCED defense to me.
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I’m not saying otherwise. I don’t perhaps go as far as saying that he sucks. But his D in Green Bay has certainly underperformed and not by a little.Yoop wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023 12:52seriously Scott, this defense is loaded with seasoned talent, and DC's either got it or they don't, this isn't Barry's first merry go round and he's sucked every where he's been.Scott4Pack wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023 12:04The DC is less experienced. How’s that?LombardiTime wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023 11:44I keep hearing that the Packers are young and thus "growing pains" are to be expected. I think that is true for the offense, but how about the defense?
P. Smith,30 years old/9th year in the NFL.
Gary, 25 (turns 26 this season)/5th year.
Clark, 27 (turns 28 in a couple of weeks)/8th year.
Campbell, 30/8th year.
Alexander, 26/6th year.
Douglas, 28/7th year.
Ford, 28 (turns 29 in early November)/7th year.
Savage 26/5th year.
This does not look like a YOUNG or INEXPERIENCED defense to me.
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So no, nowhere.
first off I didn't say here, or exactly for this game, but I've heard so much defense of this or that or the other thing concerning the team over the last half doz. years, specially the talent in the Capers years, specially all the defense over the WR's, this place has become a defend the FO pit stop.
Capers has NOTHING to do with this. Our WRs have NOTHING to do with this. The FO has NOTHING to do with this.Yoop wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023 13:56first off I didn't say here, or exactly for this game, but I've heard so much defense of this or that or the other thing concerning the team over the last half doz. years, specially the talent in the Capers years, specially all the defense over the WR's, this place has become a defend the FO pit stop.
seriously we see better defense or Lafleur can go to the unemployment line right along with Barry, this garbage on defense has to end, we play like a bunch of pansies
You said it, so where have you seen or heard a defense of Joe Barry?I'am so tired of hearing excuses for Barry
it all has to do with my complaints, you and others are so busy defending what yo say has nothing to do with this, such as not drafting WR, your insane complaints of Capers for years, when crap talent was the real issue.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023 14:04Capers has NOTHING to do with this. Our WRs have NOTHING to do with this. The FO has NOTHING to do with this.Yoop wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023 13:56first off I didn't say here, or exactly for this game, but I've heard so much defense of this or that or the other thing concerning the team over the last half doz. years, specially the talent in the Capers years, specially all the defense over the WR's, this place has become a defend the FO pit stop.
seriously we see better defense or Lafleur can go to the unemployment line right along with Barry, this garbage on defense has to end, we play like a bunch of pansies
You said it, so where have you seen or heard a defense of Joe Barry?I'am so tired of hearing excuses for Barry
good defense, and I don't think anyone hates either coach, your right, never understood the hire, always seemed like Matt had several in mind and the first choices went elsewhere and Barry was a last resort, whatever, your right he had the opportunity to replace, instead fired Jerry Gray and gave Barry another shot, now both may get fired.Drj820 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023 14:16I am willing to offer a defense of joe Barry:
Joe Barry is who joe Barry is. And Joe Barry is being exactly who he always has been.
To expect joe to be anything other than what he is now, would be insane on the part of Lafleur and fans.
When Lafleur made the mediocre hire, he should have expected these exact results. After all, anybody should look decent coaching 7 first round picks. We could have hired a high school coach and he would look decent with this talent.
But Joe barely even looks decent, but he often does look just that..decent.
Problem is that with this talent, and with a new qb, we need way more than decent. And we deserve way more that decent.
But how can we mad at Barry? He’s always just been barely decent. This is just who he is. This is just who we hired. Mcveigh passed over him for a reason.
The one to blame is Lafleur. Lafleur made the bad hire, had the chance to move on..and refused. He is the one to be mad at. Not Barry, who is just being who he always has been.
(How was my defense?)
THIS IS ABOUT JOE BARRY. You specifically said you are tired of hearing excuses for JOE BARRY. I asked where you have heard these excuses. You have no response except to bring up your pet topics that have NOTHING to do with JOE BARRY. WRs have NOTHING to do with JOE BARRY. Capers has NOTHING to do with Joe BARRY.Yoop wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023 14:15it all has to do with my complaints, you and others are so busy defending what yo say has nothing to do with this, such as not drafting WR, your insane complaints of Capers for years, when crap talent was the real issue.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023 14:04Capers has NOTHING to do with this. Our WRs have NOTHING to do with this. The FO has NOTHING to do with this.Yoop wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023 13:56
first off I didn't say here, or exactly for this game, but I've heard so much defense of this or that or the other thing concerning the team over the last half doz. years, specially the talent in the Capers years, specially all the defense over the WR's, this place has become a defend the FO pit stop.
seriously we see better defense or Lafleur can go to the unemployment line right along with Barry, this garbage on defense has to end, we play like a bunch of pansies
You said it, so where have you seen or heard a defense of Joe Barry?I'am so tired of hearing excuses for Barry
and I don't have to name names, if your guilty own it, if not then take a hike
ahh, if we'd have played any team besides Chicagos RPO QB and weak ol we'd have gotten tramped for big plays the same way we did yesterday, your already defending the guy, and Barry seems incapable of getting these players to play accountable football.
Defending? No. Saying he can devise a more aggressive game plan, yes.Yoop wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023 14:44ahh, if we'd have played any team besides Chicagos RPO QB and weak ol we'd have gotten tramped for big plays the same way we did yesterday, your already defending the guy, and Barry seems incapable of getting these players to play accountable football.
the offense made it easy against the Bears, Atlanta had almost twice as many offensive plays as we did, it's Joes job to make those stats more equal.
I just don't want to go the whole season with mediocre Joe.