Re: Packer Staff Changes
Posted: 08 Feb 2022 14:15
This is promising news. Let's hope this guy can help fix our ST mess.
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Re: Packer Staff Changes
Posted: 08 Feb 2022 14:31
Re: Packer Staff Changes
Posted: 08 Feb 2022 16:40
And watch someone else play in the SB. Just as he watched someone else play in the NFC championship game.
Regular season MVP is a meaningless popularity context. The only MVP that matters is Super Bowl MVP.
Re: Packer Staff Changes
Posted: 08 Feb 2022 16:49
And Bart has 2 and Desmond has 1 and Aaron has 1.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑08 Feb 2022 16:40And watch someone else play in the SB. Just as he watched someone else play in the NFC championship game.
Regular season MVP is a meaningless popularity context. The only MVP that matters is Super Bowl MVP.
Brett won Player of the Year in 1995. Reggie won Player of the Year in 1998. Charles Woodson won Player of the Year in 2009.
Re: Packer Staff Changes
Posted: 09 Feb 2022 08:50
Still working on my morning coffee, so excuse me if I'm just really dense. Certainly can't argue with what you said, I just can't quite understand what point you're making. Do the awards listed support or refute the contention that Rodgers' MVP this year is more than a popularity contest?RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑08 Feb 2022 16:49And Bart has 2 and Desmond has 1 and Aaron has 1.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑08 Feb 2022 16:40And watch someone else play in the SB. Just as he watched someone else play in the NFC championship game.
Regular season MVP is a meaningless popularity context. The only MVP that matters is Super Bowl MVP.
Brett won Player of the Year in 1995. Reggie won Player of the Year in 1998. Charles Woodson won Player of the Year in 2009.
Re: Packer Staff Changes
Posted: 09 Feb 2022 09:35
This is the only place I've ever heard anyone declaring the league MVP award this year is nothing more than a popularity contest. We all think Rodgers will win it but there is also a strong argument for Brady. Brady's numbers this season were a tad better so I won't be surprised to see him win it. Will it still be a popularity contest then?Half Empty wrote: ↑09 Feb 2022 08:50Still working on my morning coffee, so excuse me if I'm just really dense. Certainly can't argue with what you said, I just can't quite understand what point you're making. Do the awards listed support or refute the contention that Rodgers' MVP this year is more than a popularity contest?RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑08 Feb 2022 16:49And Bart has 2 and Desmond has 1 and Aaron has 1.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑08 Feb 2022 16:40
And watch someone else play in the SB. Just as he watched someone else play in the NFC championship game.
Regular season MVP is a meaningless popularity context. The only MVP that matters is Super Bowl MVP.
Brett won Player of the Year in 1995. Reggie won Player of the Year in 1998. Charles Woodson won Player of the Year in 2009.
Re: Packer Staff Changes
Posted: 09 Feb 2022 16:17
Re: Packer Staff Changes
Posted: 09 Feb 2022 17:25
Hilarious to think Rodgers is Mr Popular with Media MVP voters after being a lighting rod over vaccination issues all season long.
Re: Packer Staff Changes
Posted: 09 Feb 2022 18:49
In retrospect, I wish they held off on MVP voting until after the playoffs conclude. I definitely wonder to what extent Rodgers is content with his individual feats, especially with so many people eager to absolve him of post-season success by just blaming the team for not being "good enough" (never mind that at least three of those teams were definitely good enough to go the distance), and if maybe he would have fought a little harder in the post-season if his accolades were threatened.
Re: Packer Staff Changes
Posted: 09 Feb 2022 22:44
TheSkeptic wrote: ↑08 Feb 2022 16:40And watch someone else play in the SB. Just as he watched someone else play in the NFC championship game.
Regular season MVP is a meaningless popularity context. The only MVP that matters is Super Bowl MVP.
Idea:
The ONLY award given should be the SB MVP award. Maybe CoY to the champion's HC (but only if he doesn't have a great QB or great team that carried him).
Let's just get rid of all the other awards. They go to losers, anyways. And get rid of loser All-Pro and loser Pro Bowl teams completely. SB winners are the real and only All-Pros.
I mean, why honor incredible performances by losers on the 31 loser teams? Or individual achievements of losers in a very tough league? Who cares if you break records if you are a loser and it doesn't lead to a Super Bowl? In fact, why not just throw away all the stats of losers and only record those of the SB winners. Why should we even remember the losers?
When it comes to fans, having fun in a season that ends without a SB win should be strictly prohibited. Cheering for your team should only be allowed when SB win is secured. If you win a SB, you have a one-week window to celebrate, and then you must go back to wallowing in the misery of knowing a repeat is unlikely. After all, the point of being a football fan is to celebrate SB winners, not to have fun following a sport and a team.
Re: Packer Staff Changes
Posted: 09 Feb 2022 23:00
I really hope this was a sarcastic post...salmar80 wrote: ↑09 Feb 2022 22:44TheSkeptic wrote: ↑08 Feb 2022 16:40And watch someone else play in the SB. Just as he watched someone else play in the NFC championship game.
Regular season MVP is a meaningless popularity context. The only MVP that matters is Super Bowl MVP.
Idea:
The ONLY award given should be the SB MVP award. Maybe CoY to the champion's HC (but only if he doesn't have a great QB or great team that carried him).
Let's just get rid of all the other awards. They go to losers, anyways. And get rid of loser All-Pro and loser Pro Bowl teams completely. SB winners are the real and only All-Pros.
I mean, why honor incredible performances by losers on the 31 loser teams? Or individual achievements of losers in a very tough league? Who cares if you break records if you are a loser and it doesn't lead to a Super Bowl? In fact, why not just throw away all the stats of losers and only record those of the SB winners. Why should we even remember the losers?
When it comes to fans, having fun in a season that ends without a SB win should be strictly prohibited. Cheering for your team should only be allowed when SB win is secured. If you win a SB, you have a one-week window to celebrate, and then you must go back to wallowing in the misery of knowing a repeat is unlikely. After all, the point of being a football fan is to celebrate SB winners, not to have fun following a sport and a team.
Re: Packer Staff Changes
Posted: 11 Feb 2022 20:21
I'm going to admit it. I'm starting to be swayed.
Re: Packer Staff Changes
Posted: 11 Feb 2022 21:50
Re: Packer Staff Changes
Posted: 12 Feb 2022 08:06
MVP is way more than just a popularity contest........it means what it says........the players performance was the most valuable to some entity (I guess the entity is the team that the player plays on). I was just trying to remind EVERYONE that Player of Year is the award that best measures performance from an individual performance perspective, whereas MVP is from a value (to the team that the player plays on I suppose) perspective.Half Empty wrote: ↑09 Feb 2022 08:50Still working on my morning coffee, so excuse me if I'm just really dense. Certainly can't argue with what you said, I just can't quite understand what point you're making. Do the awards listed support or refute the contention that Rodgers' MVP this year is more than a popularity contest?RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑08 Feb 2022 16:49And Bart has 2 and Desmond has 1 and Aaron has 1.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑08 Feb 2022 16:40
And watch someone else play in the SB. Just as he watched someone else play in the NFC championship game.
Regular season MVP is a meaningless popularity context. The only MVP that matters is Super Bowl MVP.
Brett won Player of the Year in 1995. Reggie won Player of the Year in 1998. Charles Woodson won Player of the Year in 2009.
Aaron Rodgers enabled back to back 13-3 regular seasons.......which is supposedly valuable from a regular season accomplishment perspective (MVP material). Brett, Reggie, and Charles were Players of the Year (individual awards).
GO PACKERS!
Re: Packer Staff Changes
Posted: 12 Feb 2022 08:08
Thanks for clearing that up. I think.RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022 08:06MVP is way more than just a popularity contest........it means what it says........the players performance was the most valuable to some entity (I guess the entity is the team that the player plays on). I was just trying to remind EVERYONE that Player of Year is the award that best measures performance from an individual performance perspective, whereas MVP is from a value (to the team that the player plays on I suppose) perspective.Half Empty wrote: ↑09 Feb 2022 08:50Still working on my morning coffee, so excuse me if I'm just really dense. Certainly can't argue with what you said, I just can't quite understand what point you're making. Do the awards listed support or refute the contention that Rodgers' MVP this year is more than a popularity contest?RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑08 Feb 2022 16:49
And Bart has 2 and Desmond has 1 and Aaron has 1.
Brett won Player of the Year in 1995. Reggie won Player of the Year in 1998. Charles Woodson won Player of the Year in 2009.
Aaron Rodgers enabled back to back 13-3 regular seasons.......which is supposedly valuable from a regular season accomplishment perspective (MVP material). Brett, Reggie, and Charles were Players of the Year (individual awards).
GO PACKERS!
Re: Packer Staff Changes
Posted: 12 Feb 2022 08:13
I just hope Player of the Year isn't a popularity contest ........... if it is then we'd be even more confused.NCF wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022 08:08Thanks for clearing that up. I think.RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022 08:06MVP is way more than just a popularity contest........it means what it says........the players performance was the most valuable to some entity (I guess the entity is the team that the player plays on). I was just trying to remind EVERYONE that Player of Year is the award that best measures performance from an individual performance perspective, whereas MVP is from a value (to the team that the player plays on I suppose) perspective.Half Empty wrote: ↑09 Feb 2022 08:50
Still working on my morning coffee, so excuse me if I'm just really dense. Certainly can't argue with what you said, I just can't quite understand what point you're making. Do the awards listed support or refute the contention that Rodgers' MVP this year is more than a popularity contest?
Aaron Rodgers enabled back to back 13-3 regular seasons.......which is supposedly valuable from a regular season accomplishment perspective (MVP material). Brett, Reggie, and Charles were Players of the Year (individual awards).
GO PACKERS!
Re: Packer Staff Changes
Posted: 12 Feb 2022 08:38
There is no Player of the Year award.RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022 08:13I just hope Player of the Year isn't a popularity contest ........... if it is then we'd be even more confused.NCF wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022 08:08Thanks for clearing that up. I think.RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022 08:06
MVP is way more than just a popularity contest........it means what it says........the players performance was the most valuable to some entity (I guess the entity is the team that the player plays on). I was just trying to remind EVERYONE that Player of Year is the award that best measures performance from an individual performance perspective, whereas MVP is from a value (to the team that the player plays on I suppose) perspective.
Aaron Rodgers enabled back to back 13-3 regular seasons.......which is supposedly valuable from a regular season accomplishment perspective (MVP material). Brett, Reggie, and Charles were Players of the Year (individual awards).
GO PACKERS!
Only MVP, offensive player of the year and defensive player of the year.
Re: Packer Staff Changes
Posted: 12 Feb 2022 08:53
Yup. We have to remember the voting for this happened before the playoffs started because these awards are for regular season achievements. AR is the only player in league history to win 4 of these (Manning has 5). How sad that some folks are diminishing this accomplishment just because Rodgers hasn't delivered in the post season for a while now.RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022 08:06MVP is way more than just a popularity contest........it means what it says........the players performance was the most valuable to some entity (I guess the entity is the team that the player plays on). I was just trying to remind EVERYONE that Player of Year is the award that best measures performance from an individual performance perspective, whereas MVP is from a value (to the team that the player plays on I suppose) perspective.Half Empty wrote: ↑09 Feb 2022 08:50Still working on my morning coffee, so excuse me if I'm just really dense. Certainly can't argue with what you said, I just can't quite understand what point you're making. Do the awards listed support or refute the contention that Rodgers' MVP this year is more than a popularity contest?RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑08 Feb 2022 16:49
And Bart has 2 and Desmond has 1 and Aaron has 1.
Brett won Player of the Year in 1995. Reggie won Player of the Year in 1998. Charles Woodson won Player of the Year in 2009.
Aaron Rodgers enabled back to back 13-3 regular seasons.......which is supposedly valuable from a regular season accomplishment perspective (MVP material). Brett, Reggie, and Charles were Players of the Year (individual awards).
GO PACKERS!
Re: Packer Staff Changes
Posted: 12 Feb 2022 09:50
Re: Packer Staff Changes
Posted: 12 Feb 2022 11:11
Then we shall agree to disagree. Folks who now are dismissing this accomplishment as insignificant will not be singing that tune once he is playing for someone else or retires. Even tho he has had his struggles in the postseason lately QBs like him don't grow on trees.