Packers Huddle

BF004 wrote: ↑

12 Nov 2020 14:11

I mean Bak, Linsely and Elgton already set that bar, but predicting Turner, Wagner or Patrick to be performing at this level 4-5 months ago, you would have been laughed off the forum.

Lest us not forget Lane Taylor won a starting role essentially over Patrick and Wagner.

go pak go wrote: ↑

12 Nov 2020 14:38

BF004 wrote: ↑

12 Nov 2020 14:11

I mean Bak, Linsely and Elgton already set that bar, but predicting Turner, Wagner or Patrick to be performing at this level 4-5 months ago, you would have been laughed off the forum.

Lest us not forget Lane Taylor won a starting role essentially over Patrick and Wagner.

I think we would be fools to not bring back Taylor again. He said he wants to play football and we know he loves the GB area. Makes no sense to let him walk.

But yeah Billy Turner is really making lupe look stupid.

BF004 wrote: ↑

12 Nov 2020 14:43

go pak go wrote: ↑

12 Nov 2020 14:38

BF004 wrote: ↑

12 Nov 2020 14:11

I mean Bak, Linsely and Elgton already set that bar, but predicting Turner, Wagner or Patrick to be performing at this level 4-5 months ago, you would have been laughed off the forum.

Lest us not forget Lane Taylor won a starting role essentially over Patrick and Wagner.

I think we would be fools to not bring back Taylor again. He said he wants to play football and we know he loves the GB area. Makes no sense to let him walk.

But yeah Billy Turner is really making lupe look stupid.

I 100% agree on Taylor. Doubt it would cost more than vet minimum, just such a low risk. He has won TC starting gigs over Elgton, Patrick and Wagner the last 2 years.

Elgton and LG, Patrick at C, Taylor at RG, then got Runyon and Hansen competing next year, probably another draft pick. That would be a very competent interior for about as cheap as you can get.

BSA wrote: ↑

12 Nov 2020 17:21

One comment on the OL and their fantastic performance
The MLF offense gets guys open quickly and AR has been getting the ball out faster than ever. A part of that is all the WR screens, that skews his time-to-throw stats. But overall, this offense doesn't necessarily need the OL who can protect for 7 seconds like we had in the past. That makes it soooo much easier on the OTs to handle the rushers and easier for guys like Jenkins to handle spot duty

So the question is: Will this style of offense influence how much Gute is willing to pay Bak ?
Bak has publicly signaled isn't willing to entertain hometown discounts

BSA wrote: ↑

12 Nov 2020 17:21

One comment on the OL and their fantastic performance
The MLF offense gets guys open quickly and AR has been getting the ball out faster than ever. A part of that is all the WR screens, that skews his time-to-throw stats. But overall, this offense doesn't necessarily need the OL who can protect for 7 seconds like we had in the past. That makes it soooo much easier on the OTs to handle the rushers and easier for guys like Jenkins to handle spot duty

So the question is: Will this style of offense influence how much Gute is willing to pay Bak ?
Bak has publicly signaled isn't willing to entertain hometown discounts

go pak go wrote: ↑

12 Nov 2020 19:45

BSA wrote: ↑

12 Nov 2020 17:21

One comment on the OL and their fantastic performance
The MLF offense gets guys open quickly and AR has been getting the ball out faster than ever. A part of that is all the WR screens, that skews his time-to-throw stats. But overall, this offense doesn't necessarily need the OL who can protect for 7 seconds like we had in the past. That makes it soooo much easier on the OTs to handle the rushers and easier for guys like Jenkins to handle spot duty

So the question is: Will this style of offense influence how much Gute is willing to pay Bak ?
Bak has publicly signaled isn't willing to entertain hometown discounts

Also to clarify, the lack of pressures and sacks could be attributed to getting the ball quicker. Absolutely.

But the win rate % is based on if an OL can hold their opponent in pass protection for 2.5 seconds or longer. So getting the ball out quick does not impact this stat.

Yoop wrote: ↑

13 Nov 2020 09:05

I'd like to keep Jones (obviously) but also both Bak and Turner.

Yoop wrote: ↑

13 Nov 2020 09:05

go pak go wrote: ↑

12 Nov 2020 19:45

BSA wrote: ↑

12 Nov 2020 17:21

One comment on the OL and their fantastic performance
The MLF offense gets guys open quickly and AR has been getting the ball out faster than ever. A part of that is all the WR screens, that skews his time-to-throw stats. But overall, this offense doesn't necessarily need the OL who can protect for 7 seconds like we had in the past. That makes it soooo much easier on the OTs to handle the rushers and easier for guys like Jenkins to handle spot duty

So the question is: Will this style of offense influence how much Gute is willing to pay Bak ?
Bak has publicly signaled isn't willing to entertain hometown discounts

Also to clarify, the lack of pressures and sacks could be attributed to getting the ball quicker. Absolutely.

But the win rate % is based on if an OL can hold their opponent in pass protection for 2.5 seconds or longer. So getting the ball out quick does not impact this stat.

I think the key point is that after that initial 2.5 sec, Turner is less able to hold his blocks, and while Aaron is getting the ball out faster, obviously thats not a 100% on every pass play, also, PFF grades on strength of opponent, so we'd have to see who Bak and Turner have faced individually to form a more valid opinion, one thing of note is that more focus should now go towards run blocking ability versus just great pass pro as that has now taken on a higher priority then in years past.

just look at the teams our defense struggles against, all have dynamic RB's and great run blocking OL's, I'd like to keep Jones (obviously) but also both Bak and Turner.

NCF wrote: ↑

13 Nov 2020 09:45

No FB, again.

BSA wrote: ↑

13 Nov 2020 09:48

NCF wrote: ↑

13 Nov 2020 09:45

No FB, again.

that's a bigger bummer than many fans realize. Packers drafted Deguarra to handle that flex role and it was such an important job, they grabbed John Lovett as a back up- just in case. Sternberger will have to assume some of those duties going forward

NCF wrote: ↑

13 Nov 2020 09:57

BSA wrote: ↑

13 Nov 2020 09:48

NCF wrote: ↑

13 Nov 2020 09:45

No FB, again.

that's a bigger bummer than many fans realize. Packers drafted Deguarra to handle that flex role and it was such an important job, they grabbed John Lovett as a back up- just in case. Sternberger will have to assume some of those duties going forward

I actually didn't think much of Sterny for that role, but that might work. I expect LaFleur will use Marcedes, too, but I think between those two, you don't quite have the flexibility that you did with the other two.