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Yoop wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2021 08:22

go pak go wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2021 06:22

Just trying to figure out what to say to make sure I'm not perceived a fair weather fan.

If I say our 2020 was a great team...clearly I am fair weather fan because we wouldn't be anywhere without Rodgers and how dare I say the 2020 Packers team was good.

If I say our 2020 was awful....clearly I am fair weather millennial fan who only knows life with great quarterback play and I can't possibly expect greatness all the time. How dare me.

Gosh I LOOOOOOVE this forum after losing conference championship games. Brings out the best in all of us.

hey my comment wasn't directed at you, but seriously, after a loss when so many players screwed up and played well below the ability they have previously shown, why would anyone blame the QB who actually under constant pressure all day played up and above in several instances be blamed as though HE had let this team down, it boggles the mind.

ya 20 pages of post game hits with several of us defending Rodgers against a bunch of bull &%$@ posts calling him out.

Even Herman agrees with the pro Rodgers fans here, as Bud said, take Rodgers away and just see how good the rest of this team is, yes we have some really good players, yes really good players do fail at times, But Rodgers wasn't one of them Sunday, and for fans to climb on the bandwagon to call him out is rediculous.

Yoop wrote: ↑

26 Jan 2021 23:33

Drj820 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:41 pm
I don’t understand what’s so hard about this. We could have won If Rodgers played perfect.

Should he be expected to play perfect? Nah, not if he is just a “great” quarterback that is well paid. He can finish his career with at least 3 MVPs, a super bowl, tons of division titles, records. He can sprint to the HOF as soon as he hangs up the jersey.

But, it was his legacy that was on the line Sunday. Not anyone else’s on the team. The other guys just wanted a ring. Rodgers NEEDED a trip to Tampa for the things he is going for. He didn’t play bad. Yet, he made mistakes...and those mistakes will cost him the guranteed spot on Mount Rushmore in the timeless debates of best QB ever. No doubt if he got to two rings, he’s on the Rushmore.

Yoop wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2021 08:46

Yoop wrote: ↑

26 Jan 2021 23:33

Drj820 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:41 pm
I don’t understand what’s so hard about this. We could have won If Rodgers played perfect.

Should he be expected to play perfect? Nah, not if he is just a “great” quarterback that is well paid. He can finish his career with at least 3 MVPs, a super bowl, tons of division titles, records. He can sprint to the HOF as soon as he hangs up the jersey.

But, it was his legacy that was on the line Sunday. Not anyone else’s on the team. The other guys just wanted a ring. Rodgers NEEDED a trip to Tampa for the things he is going for. He didn’t play bad. Yet, he made mistakes...and those mistakes will cost him the guranteed spot on Mount Rushmore in the timeless debates of best QB ever. No doubt if he got to two rings, he’s on the Rushmore.

come on GPG, do you even bother to read stuff like this, J820 just put the loss on Rodgers, you sugar coat any comments that call out Rodgers and turn the discussion back to all the individual player fails, you accept no blame for calling out Rodgers the last 6 years and gloss over that as trivial simple game breakdowns of plays that failed, sure we all do that and theres nothing wrong with that, however when all is said and done Rodgers gets the blame, when I bring up better receivers may make a difference you defend the stooges.

hey it is what it is, we lost, and Rodgers was the least person to blame for it.

Yoop wrote: ↑

26 Jan 2021 23:33

Drj820 wrote: ↑

26 Jan 2021 19:41

I don’t understand what’s so hard about this. We could have won If Rodgers played perfect.

Should he be expected to play perfect? Nah, not if he is just a “great” quarterback that is well paid. He can finish his career with at least 3 MVPs, a super bowl, tons of division titles, records. He can sprint to the HOF as soon as he hangs up the jersey.

But, it was his legacy that was on the line Sunday. Not anyone else’s on the team. The other guys just wanted a ring. Rodgers NEEDED a trip to Tampa for the things he is going for. He didn’t play bad. Yet, he made mistakes...and those mistakes will cost him the guranteed spot on Mount Rushmore in the timeless debates of best QB ever. No doubt if he got to two rings, he’s on the Rushmore.

He needed to be near perfect to lock in that status. Brady didn’t have to play perfect to win. He had talent all around on defense. The were no will redmons, Chandon Sullivan, dean lowry, Tyler Lancaster’s, playing all day on his defense. There were Shaq Barrett’s, suhs, JPPs, Lavonte David’s, Actual stud ILBs like Devon White. Actual top 12 worthy picks like Vita Vea.

See the difference?

“Who can expect Rodgers to be near perfect” only people who want to put him on a Mount Rushmore. As well as Rodgers himself, I’m sure he wants to be on that Rushmore.

But he didn’t play perfect, so for now he is MVP. He had a great year.

And he probably needs to go to another team that gets FAs, and drafts ILBs, and has everything set up expect for a QB. He will easily get to another sb that way...similar to Peyton Manning who left Indy to get his second ring...and now he is on that Rushmore if not right next to it.

It’s not 12s fault we lost. It’s 12s fault he won’t be playing for the title and securing his legacy in the highest of echelons. Bc he could have done that if he had done what the highest of echelon qbs of all time would have done, won the game. He didn’t do it, it’s cool.

2what a bunch of bull ..... Rodgers didn't lose this game, there isn't any one thing that Rodgers did cost us a win, the coaches and other players cost Rodgers a trip to the SB, to lay this at Rodgers feet is typical of some of you fair weather fans. what a crock of &%$@.

German_Panzer wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2021 08:54

I don't like people blaming players for one game. That's a terribly small sample. Kevin King was said to be our 2nd best CB and I think he did his job during the season considering he had a lot of offtime due to injuries.

Our team just underperformed offensively and defensively and if it wasn't for Tampa doing bs (INT's, non-catches) we'd have been blown-out. We just played scared like if the pressure was too big for us. This is exaclty what was talked about here a couple of days before the game when someone said "we need to win, we will win" where I countered that such an attitude brings forward "bad pressure". I said it was better to tell these guys to not care about the SB, but to give them specific advices like:

-Aaron R. you need to run whenever you see an opportunity (for it will come as a surprise and tighted defenses over the course of the game) and throw like if you don't care about INT's
-Aaron J. I don't care about a fumble, run as if yardage is the only thing concerning (or vice versa if I a more concerned about fumbles)
-Receivers I don't care about yardage after the catch, just catch it, nothing more

With an attitude like that you can bring down pressure because now a player just is concerned with what he has to do instead of having the big picture (SB) in the back of his head. Again, for me we looked scared and insecure the whole game.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

26 Jan 2021 19:41

I don’t understand what’s so hard about this. We could have won If Rodgers played perfect.

Should he be expected to play perfect? Nah, not if he is just a “great” quarterback that is well paid. He can finish his career with at least 3 MVPs, a super bowl, tons of division titles, records. He can sprint to the HOF as soon as he hangs up the jersey.

But, it was his legacy that was on the line Sunday. Not anyone else’s on the team. The other guys just wanted a ring. Rodgers NEEDED a trip to Tampa for the things he is going for. He didn’t play bad. Yet, he made mistakes...and those mistakes will cost him the guranteed spot on Mount Rushmore in the timeless debates of best QB ever. No doubt if he got to two rings, he’s on the Rushmore.

He needed to be near perfect to lock in that status. Brady didn’t have to play perfect to win. He had talent all around on defense. The were no will redmons, Chandon Sullivan, dean lowry, Tyler Lancaster’s, playing all day on his defense. There were Shaq Barrett’s, suhs, JPPs, Lavonte David’s, Actual stud ILBs like Devon White. Actual top 12 worthy picks like Vita Vea.

See the difference?

“Who can expect Rodgers to be near perfect” only people who want to put him on a Mount Rushmore. As well as Rodgers himself, I’m sure he wants to be on that Rushmore.

But he didn’t play perfect, so for now he is MVP. He had a great year.

And he probably needs to go to another team that gets FAs, and drafts ILBs, and has everything set up expect for a QB. He will easily get to another sb that way...similar to Peyton Manning who left Indy to get his second ring...and now he is on that Rushmore if not right next to it.

It’s not 12s fault we lost. It’s 12s fault he won’t be playing for the title and securing his legacy in the highest of echelons. Bc he could have done that if he had done what the highest of echelon qbs of all time would have done, won the game. He didn’t do it, it’s cool.

Yoop wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2021 09:10

German_Panzer wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2021 08:54

I don't like people blaming players for one game. That's a terribly small sample. Kevin King was said to be our 2nd best CB and I think he did his job during the season considering he had a lot of offtime due to injuries.

Our team just underperformed offensively and defensively and if it wasn't for Tampa doing bs (INT's, non-catches) we'd have been blown-out. We just played scared like if the pressure was too big for us. This is exaclty what was talked about here a couple of days before the game when someone said "we need to win, we will win" where I countered that such an attitude brings forward "bad pressure". I said it was better to tell these guys to not care about the SB, but to give them specific advices like:

-Aaron R. you need to run whenever you see an opportunity (for it will come as a surprise and tighted defenses over the course of the game) and throw like if you don't care about INT's
-Aaron J. I don't care about a fumble, run as if yardage is the only thing concerning (or vice versa if I a more concerned about fumbles)
-Receivers I don't care about yardage after the catch, just catch it, nothing more

With an attitude like that you can bring down pressure because now a player just is concerned with what he has to do instead of having the big picture (SB) in the back of his head. Again, for me we looked scared and insecure the whole game.

our best players under performed, and ya can't have that happen in a game like this

Pugger wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2021 09:27

Drj820 wrote: ↑

26 Jan 2021 19:41

I don’t understand what’s so hard about this. We could have won If Rodgers played perfect.

Should he be expected to play perfect? Nah, not if he is just a “great” quarterback that is well paid. He can finish his career with at least 3 MVPs, a super bowl, tons of division titles, records. He can sprint to the HOF as soon as he hangs up the jersey.

But, it was his legacy that was on the line Sunday. Not anyone else’s on the team. The other guys just wanted a ring. Rodgers NEEDED a trip to Tampa for the things he is going for. He didn’t play bad. Yet, he made mistakes...and those mistakes will cost him the guranteed spot on Mount Rushmore in the timeless debates of best QB ever. No doubt if he got to two rings, he’s on the Rushmore.

He needed to be near perfect to lock in that status. Brady didn’t have to play perfect to win. He had talent all around on defense. The were no will redmons, Chandon Sullivan, dean lowry, Tyler Lancaster’s, playing all day on his defense. There were Shaq Barrett’s, suhs, JPPs, Lavonte David’s, Actual stud ILBs like Devon White. Actual top 12 worthy picks like Vita Vea.

See the difference?

“Who can expect Rodgers to be near perfect” only people who want to put him on a Mount Rushmore. As well as Rodgers himself, I’m sure he wants to be on that Rushmore.

But he didn’t play perfect, so for now he is MVP. He had a great year.

And he probably needs to go to another team that gets FAs, and drafts ILBs, and has everything set up expect for a QB. He will easily get to another sb that way...similar to Peyton Manning who left Indy to get his second ring...and now he is on that Rushmore if not right next to it.

It’s not 12s fault we lost. It’s 12s fault he won’t be playing for the title and securing his legacy in the highest of echelons. Bc he could have done that if he had done what the highest of echelon qbs of all time would have done, won the game. He didn’t do it, it’s cool.

If our only chance to win it all is Rodgers has to be perfect that is a sign of negligence to management and not to #12. Football is the ultimate team sport. Even the Almighty Brady had to have help by his teammates to win that game on Sunday.

lulu wrote: ↑

26 Jan 2021 21:08

Drj820 wrote: ↑

26 Jan 2021 18:31

Ooof

He’s right tho.

THIS

When you have the horses to win. When you've demonstrated throughout the year that you can play at a high level. When you come out in the biggest game of the season and pretty much lay an egg, that is on the coaching staff. I'm not saying LaFleur specifically. The coaching STAFF. They didn't prepare the players well enough to advance to the Super Bowl.

We all want to parse each play and each decision and it makes for great debate, but it's much simpler than that. There isn't one single play that would change the outcome of the game. It was a series of plays (coaching & preparation) and give credit to the Bucs for playing really well on defense.

go pak go wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2021 09:28

Yoop wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2021 09:10

German_Panzer wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2021 08:54

I don't like people blaming players for one game. That's a terribly small sample. Kevin King was said to be our 2nd best CB and I think he did his job during the season considering he had a lot of offtime due to injuries.

Our team just underperformed offensively and defensively and if it wasn't for Tampa doing bs (INT's, non-catches) we'd have been blown-out. We just played scared like if the pressure was too big for us. This is exaclty what was talked about here a couple of days before the game when someone said "we need to win, we will win" where I countered that such an attitude brings forward "bad pressure". I said it was better to tell these guys to not care about the SB, but to give them specific advices like:

-Aaron R. you need to run whenever you see an opportunity (for it will come as a surprise and tighted defenses over the course of the game) and throw like if you don't care about INT's
-Aaron J. I don't care about a fumble, run as if yardage is the only thing concerning (or vice versa if I a more concerned about fumbles)
-Receivers I don't care about yardage after the catch, just catch it, nothing more

With an attitude like that you can bring down pressure because now a player just is concerned with what he has to do instead of having the big picture (SB) in the back of his head. Again, for me we looked scared and insecure the whole game.

our best players under performed, and ya can't have that happen in a game like this

This is the best summary of Sunday.

And unfortunately the Packers organization has a very ugly history with this the last decade.

We are starting to earn the reputation of being a team who chokes. 3 coaches have earned this reputation with the only outlier season being when our team was so injured we kind of played like we had nothing to lose.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2021 09:35

Pugger wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2021 09:27

Drj820 wrote: ↑

26 Jan 2021 19:41

I don’t understand what’s so hard about this. We could have won If Rodgers played perfect.

Should he be expected to play perfect? Nah, not if he is just a “great” quarterback that is well paid. He can finish his career with at least 3 MVPs, a super bowl, tons of division titles, records. He can sprint to the HOF as soon as he hangs up the jersey.

But, it was his legacy that was on the line Sunday. Not anyone else’s on the team. The other guys just wanted a ring. Rodgers NEEDED a trip to Tampa for the things he is going for. He didn’t play bad. Yet, he made mistakes...and those mistakes will cost him the guranteed spot on Mount Rushmore in the timeless debates of best QB ever. No doubt if he got to two rings, he’s on the Rushmore.

He needed to be near perfect to lock in that status. Brady didn’t have to play perfect to win. He had talent all around on defense. The were no will redmons, Chandon Sullivan, dean lowry, Tyler Lancaster’s, playing all day on his defense. There were Shaq Barrett’s, suhs, JPPs, Lavonte David’s, Actual stud ILBs like Devon White. Actual top 12 worthy picks like Vita Vea.

See the difference?

“Who can expect Rodgers to be near perfect” only people who want to put him on a Mount Rushmore. As well as Rodgers himself, I’m sure he wants to be on that Rushmore.

But he didn’t play perfect, so for now he is MVP. He had a great year.

And he probably needs to go to another team that gets FAs, and drafts ILBs, and has everything set up expect for a QB. He will easily get to another sb that way...similar to Peyton Manning who left Indy to get his second ring...and now he is on that Rushmore if not right next to it.

It’s not 12s fault we lost. It’s 12s fault he won’t be playing for the title and securing his legacy in the highest of echelons. Bc he could have done that if he had done what the highest of echelon qbs of all time would have done, won the game. He didn’t do it, it’s cool.

If our only chance to win it all is Rodgers has to be perfect that is a sign of negligence to management and not to #12. Football is the ultimate team sport. Even the Almighty Brady had to have help by his teammates to win that game on Sunday.

True, there was negligence all around Sunday. I’m ready to say that majority was on the part of the coaching staff. Turner and Wagner getting bullied all game, yet we still over and over leave them out on islands.

It isn’t fair that Rodgers had to be near perfect to win the game, that’s why I say the loss is NOT his fault.

But if he was near perfect, we would have won the game and he would have cemented his legacy as a player in the highest of echelons. He didnt do that. It’s not fair to him, but the opportunity was there, and he did not rise to it.

I don’t blame him for anything. I’m just saying there was more at stake for Rodgers than the rest of the packers, he could have done what needed to be done, and he didn’t.

But maybe I’m doing a bad job of communicating what I’m trying to say lol

Pugger wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2021 09:27

If our only chance to win it all is Rodgers has to be perfect that is a sign of negligence to management and not to #12. Football is the ultimate team sport. Even the Almighty Brady had to have help by his teammates to win that game on Sunday.

Pugger wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2021 09:36

lulu wrote: ↑

26 Jan 2021 21:08

Drj820 wrote: ↑

26 Jan 2021 18:31

Ooof

He’s right tho.

THIS

When you have the horses to win. When you've demonstrated throughout the year that you can play at a high level. When you come out in the biggest game of the season and pretty much lay an egg, that is on the coaching staff. I'm not saying LaFleur specifically. The coaching STAFF. They didn't prepare the players well enough to advance to the Super Bowl.

We all want to parse each play and each decision and it makes for great debate, but it's much simpler than that. There isn't one single play that would change the outcome of the game. It was a series of plays (coaching & preparation) and give credit to the Bucs for playing really well on defense.

I'm glad Michael Lombardi mentioned the kicking in that game. All damn year Mason is kicking off thru the end zone but on Sunday he kicks it to the 5 or 6 and the coaching staff expects this bunch to keep the Bucs from getting decent field position every time? That drove me crazy too.

bud fox wrote: ↑

26 Jan 2021 22:05

lulu wrote: ↑

26 Jan 2021 21:08

Drj820 wrote: ↑

26 Jan 2021 18:31

Ooof

He’s right tho.

THIS

When you have the horses to win. When you've demonstrated throughout the year that you can play at a high level. When you come out in the biggest game of the season and pretty much lay an egg, that is on the coaching staff. I'm not saying LaFleur specifically. The coaching STAFF. They didn't prepare the players well enough to advance to the Super Bowl.

We all want to parse each play and each decision and it makes for great debate, but it's much simpler than that. There isn't one single play that would change the outcome of the game. It was a series of plays (coaching & preparation) and give credit to the Bucs for playing really well on defense.

Our big wins were a Saints team who played poor early in the season and a titans team who got found out and scored 1 td in there playoff game.

We had an easy schedule and lost to bucs, colts and vikings.

This team overachieved.

This team has a lot of bad players who lose one on one battles.

go pak go wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2021 09:47

Pugger wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2021 09:27

If our only chance to win it all is Rodgers has to be perfect that is a sign of negligence to management and not to #12. Football is the ultimate team sport. Even the Almighty Brady had to have help by his teammates to win that game on Sunday.

Why is it always either an argument of management failing or Rodgers failing?

Why can't we just put onus on the players?

Why can't we say our Blue chippers in Z, Aaron Jones, Davante Adams let the team down and leave it at that?

Why can't we say our red chips and up and comers in Rashan Gary and Darnell Savage let us down on Sunday and leave it at that?

Why can't we say players who should have been fighting for a big contract in Aaron Jones and Kevin King cost this team a win and leave it at that?

The fact our high end players. Our players that put this team on the map did not come out and perform is not a neglect from management. It is the fact that our best players underperformed in the game that they cannot underperform.

Management did its job. There is not one player who let us down, outside of Kevin King, that this forum is not happy they are Packers. They are good players who just played a bad game.

NCF wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2021 10:05

I don't know how exactly our play calling works and I doubt we will ever have enough of a behind the scenes look to know for sure, so instead of placing blame on Rodgers or absolving Rodgers, I am placing a ton of blame on the Rodgers/LaFleur operation. Granted, it's not their fault our OT's got their butts kicked, but once it became apparent that they were, there needed to be some adjustment. More chipping, more help... something. Is that the play call or is that an adjustment to the protection at the line? Wherever that lies, it wasn't good enough. The run-pass balance, obviously, was way out of whack. Is that LaFleur calling too many passes or Rodgers checking off called runs? Tampa has a good run defense and didn't give us a ton of run looks like the Rams did, but Tampa doesn't need to. There front is stout enough to handle it. More creativity in the run game and flat out just more attempts were needed. Each of Jones, Williams, and Dillon had a 10+ yard run yet we completely abandoned the run as the game went on.

Some people are making a big deal out of Rodgers comments that he didn't know we were kicking a FG on 4th down and if he did he would have called a different play at the line on 3rd-down. I don't see that as an egregious miscommunication. That is 100% LaFleur's call based on 4 billion variables. I'm sure on 1st and 10 LaFleur is not thinking about what he is doing on 4th and 10. Maybe... maybe LaFleur knew before 3rd and 10 that if they didn't get it he was kicking, but I am guessing he didn't until he saw the 3rd down pass fall incomplete. I'm just not sure when this communication could have conceivably happened, but this is the least of my concerns from our HC/QB operation during the game.

Finally, the overbearing need to "get Davante Adams involved". I was astounded when I saw the box score and saw that he had 9 catches. Has any WR ever had a quieter 9 catch day? Tampa did a tremendous job taking Adams away and I really feel like we pressed too hard going to him time and time again.

Pugger wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2021 10:07

go pak go wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2021 09:47

Pugger wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2021 09:27

If our only chance to win it all is Rodgers has to be perfect that is a sign of negligence to management and not to #12. Football is the ultimate team sport. Even the Almighty Brady had to have help by his teammates to win that game on Sunday.

Why is it always either an argument of management failing or Rodgers failing?

Why can't we just put onus on the players?

Why can't we say our Blue chippers in Z, Aaron Jones, Davante Adams let the team down and leave it at that?

Why can't we say our red chips and up and comers in Rashan Gary and Darnell Savage let us down on Sunday and leave it at that?

Why can't we say players who should have been fighting for a big contract in Aaron Jones and Kevin King cost this team a win and leave it at that?

The fact our high end players. Our players that put this team on the map did not come out and perform is not a neglect from management. It is the fact that our best players underperformed in the game that they cannot underperform.

Management did its job. There is not one player who let us down, outside of Kevin King, that this forum is not happy they are Packers. They are good players who just played a bad game.

But do we have enough Blue Chippers on the D side of the ball? On defense we have Clark, Z, and Alexander that I would consider Blue Chippers. It appears we have more on O.