Re: Green Bay Packers News 2023
Posted: 07 Jul 2023 14:35
What is a pure run play?
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again you refuse to accept how YPC stats can be misleading, and the reason Dillon and also Jones YPC averages are boosted because we do so much play action, which makes run blocking easier.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2023 14:05Yes, these stats don't show YPC because these stats are showing the percent of runs for 1 or fewer yards...Yoop wrote: ↑07 Jul 2023 13:17I was looking for blocking stats the other day, specially first half of season when Bahk and Jenkins where still getting over injury's, to no avail.
the thing these stats don't show is how much RB ypc stats increase when RB's have a lot of carries for plus 5 yrds as both Dillon and Jones do.
a good measure of blocking efficiency is how well the RB's do on pure run plays, and our record in the red zone last season says we didn't do good at that, it's one thing to have the advantage of PA as a blocker, that deception gives them the ability to get some drive on the DL and create a run gap, minus that deception and the blocker doesn't have that.
While it takes a good running back, with both Jones and Dillon at the tail end of the ranking, it does point to OL having a hand in it as well.
Play Action is not a run play... Let's not continue down that road.
ask Pcfkfn 23, he knows everything
I wasn't posting or speeching to YPC... My OP tweet post had nothing to do with YPC. My original post was the percentage of runs that went for 1 or less yards, NOT YPC.Yoop wrote: ↑07 Jul 2023 16:13again you refuse to accept how YPC stats can be misleading, and the reason Dillon and also Jones YPC averages are boosted easier.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2023 14:05Yes, these stats don't show YPC because these stats are showing the percent of runs for 1 or fewer yards...Yoop wrote: ↑07 Jul 2023 13:17
I was looking for blocking stats the other day, specially first half of season when Bahk and Jenkins where still getting over injury's, to no avail.
the thing these stats don't show is how much RB ypc stats increase when RB's have a lot of carries for plus 5 yrds as both Dillon and Jones do.
a good measure of blocking efficiency is how well the RB's do on pure run plays, and our record in the red zone last season says we didn't do good at that, it's one thing to have the advantage of PA as a blocker, that deception gives them the ability to get some drive on the DL and create a run gap, minus that deception and the blocker doesn't have that.
While it takes a good running back, with both Jones and Dillon at the tail end of the ranking, it does point to OL having a hand in it as well.
Play Action is not a run play... Let's not continue down that road.
You are using Play Action wrong yet again. Play Action is never a run so it has no bearing in what I posted or this discussion. My OP dealt strictly with RB runs. As I said, let's not go down the PA road.because we do so much play action, which makes run blocking
my comment had absolutely nothing to do with play action terminology, so your the guy taking it down that road.
I saw that. Pretty fun. Couple thoughts:BF004 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2023 21:37Fun read
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/ ... cv2rhadv43
Freaks at WR and CB.
Surprisingly thin at edge.
IDL disappointing.
31 Wedge, on 2
I agree on James Jones. Walker really only had one year where he was better than Jones, and one more where he was equal or slightly better. Yeah, I know he got injured but longevity counts for a lot.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2023 21:51I saw that. Pretty fun. Couple thoughts:BF004 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2023 21:37Fun read
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/ ... cv2rhadv43
Freaks at WR and CB.
Surprisingly thin at edge.
IDL disappointing.
WR needs to include James Jones as a Just Missed
TE is so thin it's transparent
OL is stacked!
I thought iDL was ok, just no world beaters, but all solid.
My memory of Bryce Paul is greater than reality.
oh so Dick Tracy of you.
if play action where not so successful at freezing a defenses front 7, teams wouldn't use it as much as they do, our best outing last year we used it 48% of our pass plays, most teams in the league use it 30% or more of there pass plays, it keeps a defense guessing, and increases the success ratio of both the run and the pass.
I did not say we had a great run blocking OL. I specifically said they were "not too shabby." 2 different RBs do not make show up as 2 of the least stopped RBs for 1 or less yards without the offensive line doing some decent things.there are reasons why our RB's are not stopped for no gain in 23's stats, and it sure as hell isn't because we have a great run blocking OL, or we wouldn't be last in red zone success.
again thanks for the stats, but I disagree, short yardage run stats do tell us how good our run blocking is, we do well running between the 20's because of our success with play action passing, we freeze the defensive front 7, specially the lbers and even the safety's which opens up run gaps, and that is the main reason we are better then other teams concerning no gain runs.
Yes I did specifically say they were decent and not too shabby and doing some good things. Why is my opinion backed up by some evidence wrong?and you did bring this to say the OL is pretty good run blocking ( not to shabby)
This is not what play action does. Play action, in its intent, causes LBs, and even DBs, to honor the run and opens up passing lanes, specifically in the middle of the field.with play action passing, we freeze the defensive front 7, specially the lbers and even the safety's which opens up run gaps,
https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/a ... ay-action/Remember, the purpose of play action is to create the impression of a run play so the defense behaves accordingly, only to realize a tick too late that the quarterback has kept the ball and will pass it.
your acting so polarized, as usual.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑08 Jul 2023 10:32This is not what play action does. Play action, in its intent, causes LBs, and even DBs, to honor the run and opens up passing lanes, specifically in the middle of the field.with play action passing, we freeze the defensive front 7, specially the lbers and even the safety's which opens up run gaps,
Play action does not open up run gaps.
https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/a ... ay-action/Remember, the purpose of play action is to create the impression of a run play so the defense behaves accordingly, only to realize a tick too late that the quarterback has kept the ball and will pass it.
Again play action doesn't fit into this conversation. Let's not continue down this road.
didn't say run blocking was poor, said that run blocking stats are deceptive because other factors help the run blocking stats look good or better.go pak go wrote: ↑08 Jul 2023 11:38So the argument I'm supposed to buy is that our run blocking was poor even though when compared to the league we were top ten in 1 yard or less run plays, top 10 in run block win rate %, average in total rush yards, stymied by a glaring absence of 20+ yard rushing plays because we ran play action 48% of the time in one game but fewer than 25% of the time (below league average) in all games leading up to Dallas supported by a Dairyland Express article?